In all fairness, you don’t go into metal to get rich and famous. You go into metal because it’s awesome. If you want fame, you get a stylist and sing mid-tempo love songs. I’m just sayin’.
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Viking metal!!
Yeah. Viking metal *rolls eyes*
It’s interesting that people make comparisons like this as if they definitively show that one person is better at music than others, and, therefore, more deserving of respect.
You may as well put up a picture of Beethoven, string a list of all his musical compositions, tell the world how he changed the face and sound of music forever, and note that he did this “while becoming increasingly more deaf, to the point that he could hear nothing when he wrote his 9th Symphony — arguably the greatest symphony ever written.”
I guess that means you metal fans have to concede that your “music” isn’t quite music at all, eh?
Nobody objected to classical music. We object to popstars becoming immensely rich and famous singing crappy songs they didn’t even write, succeeding without any talent whatsoever, and being disgusting and vain people otherwise. The entire music industry is dominated by this garbage, meanwhile actually skilled musicians(e.g. Quorthon) don’t get any credit for what they do. You just listen to pop music, and now you’re mad.
Well put.
i have to take exception to the “no talent whatsoever” portion of your remark.. houston’s music totally sucked and we have clive davis to blame for that (as well as a lot of other sucky, sucky music). but it’s pretty unfair to say that houston had no talent when she really had one of the best voices around. it doesn’t make the music she performed any better but she did have talent-it just came without a lot of judgement.
All she was ever known for “talent” wise is that she could hit a broad range of notes. That was all she could do… period… finite. We see people hit those notes nowadays like they have vocal auto-aim and still we get nothing but more garbage like her and a few others. She didn’t have to let anyone take her dignity, she gave it up by being a drama queen. The fact she was a person and no one deserves to die at 48 is the only pain I feel for her. R.I.P Whitney… your music still sucks.
You mistook the point of my comment.
No, you just failed at making your point.
Neh, he made a good point.
Yes, before her voice went down the drain, Houston had a very lovely voice. But that was pretty much it. It’s actually provoking to see the world media go bananas when a tabloid-public-personal life all up in your face-person dies, but completely ignore really big matters, like the millions of people who die of famine and war every day. And she is getting credit improportionately to what she’s actually done herself. Good voice, but not a grand idealist, composer, writer or poineer of a musical genre in any way.
Thank you.
It’s sad she died, though she was probably the cause of her own death, but the media sensationalizing it is pathetic. But, then again, they sensationalize everything they get their hands on. Earthquakes, car accidents, chubby kids eating donuts, etc.
To be fair, earthquakes actually can be a pretty big deal.
You’re right… I’ve never seen a war in the news… every day…
Killian – In what world did Whitney Houston LACK TALENT? She had a once in a millennium voice. She paved the the road for African Americans in popular culture, and inspired a generation of young artists to come. I hate it when people make uninformed, ridiculous comments like these. You may not listen to the music, but that doesn’t give you the right to degrade it.
Paved the road for black people in popular culture? Talk about uninformed…
Are you kidding elbastardo??!!? She most definitely and certainly opened MANY doors for black artists. Not to make this a black/white thing… there are also many white artists that credit Houston as being an inspiration for their craft. I think this particular post shows that you can spin a chart any way you want to…. but calling Lala uninformed is completely untrue.
I’m gonna call her uninformed. Whitney didn’t open doors, she had them opened for her by black female performers before her, Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha Franklin and Tina Turner to name a few.
So your point is that black people lived before WH.
That’s amazing
No, their point is that black people succeeded before WH. Black musicians like Blind Willie McTell and Nina Simone did more for black musicians than WH.
Annnnnd Billie, don’t forget Billie, she was merciless with promoters.
Paved the road for African Americans in popular music?? HAHAHA.. and u hate uninformed comments?? lol that’s all I’m going to say..
I loved Quorthon’s music, but he appealed to a much narrower audience than Whitney Houston did.
I wouldn’t be comfortable with seeing “RIP QUORTHON” on the cover of people magazine, when the mainstream media ignored him throughout his entire career. That would be tacky.
Quorthon is memorialized by the metal community quite well. It sounds to me that you’re outraged that every popular news organization wasn’t reporting his death. I know I’m repeating myself, but like I said, I would find it tasteless if Entertainment Weekly or MTV News was all over the story.
If someone posted on a heavy metal fans’ website criticizing its readers for not mourning Whitney Houston right after Quorthon died (not saying this happened, this is strictly hypothetical), wouldn’t that piss you up a wall? It’s awful convenient to forget that even if you don’t like an artist that they have fans as well.
*I mean to say that both Quorthon and Whitney Houston are now deceased, but the chronological order in which they died was to be hypothetical.
I think this is an amazing comment.
I think another thing to piggyback on what you are saying… I get not liking mainstream and not going along with the masses. In a lot of ways the world we live in now is filled with sheep. People who just go along with what society says. If Quorthon was mourned on ET , MTV and Time magazine (hypothetically of course), these fans would NOT LIKE Quorthon. He would be another Marilyn Manson (not saying that they are anywhere near the same type of artist). MM was respected by a lot of people early on for non-conformity but became a bit of a joke once he became mainstream. I just find the comparison here to be a bit unfounded. Oddly, I am not the biggest Whitney fan necessarily.. I love her earlier work… she lost me about 15 yrs ago…. but I still remember quite fondly her music that I heard growing up and I think that is what is mission on the Quorthon side. I don’t know this for a fact … but I would not be surprised if no one grew up listening to Quorthon and if they did, I am a bit concerned that this person is walking around in every day society. I am not sure it is appropriate for children to listen to (not that all of Houston’s music was either), a majority of her music was though.
Right on.
I admittedly don’t listen to much music that would be mainstream, excepting Metallica or Iron Maiden (still not as widely popular as Metallica, though). If I heard that a member of Metallica or Iron Maiden had died, I would expect the mainstream media to report it. If Ozzy Osbourne died, I’d expect to hear it on ET.
I wouldn’t want Entertainment Weekly to report on the death of most other artists I enjoy, because these artists were ignored throughout the span of their careers. That would be a cheap tribute, in my opinion.
Whitney Houston sang a style of music a lot more popular than Bathory’s. She became a household name, but Quorthon not so much, and I think that if Quorthon really cared for fame, he’d find a way to become highly recognized outside of the metal community.
I’m really sorry but I searched for that Q guy and all I can hear is growling akin to a wounded animal.
If that is what passes as talent these days… god help us all.
K, but you’re a schlemiel, though.
My first thought in looking at this was, why was Tomas “Quorthon” Forsberg, of all musicians, the one being compared to Whitney Houston?
This image is ridiculous and says more about the poster than anything having to do with Houston.
1) I think it’s a bit of a stretch to call Forsberg’s music innovative. It’s metal. Subtleties in the genre aren’t going to impress non-fans.
Plus, I happen to think a lot of people would be turned off by Quorthon and his band “Bathory”.
Here’s a blurb from his wiki page:
“Around this time (in the mid-late 80′s) Bathory began to amass a cult following in the underground metal scene, despite the fact that live performances by Bathory were rare, if they even happened at all. Albums from this period helped to define the then-burgeoning black metal sub-genre, and the (also rare) photographs of the band helped to define its image. Quorthon at this time also had many frightening and stressful experiences dealing with over-zealous fans, often receiving letters written in blood and dead/mutilated animals in the post, amongst other things. This behaviour, along with Bathory’s dark image and extreme music, cemented Quorthon’s unfortunate image, as he put it, as “the baby-eating, blood-drinking God of the bat-cave” in the popular imagination as well as popular metal press, much to Quorthon’s disgust and anger.”
Wait, this guy was appalled by his fans? Let’s take a look at his lyrics:
Heil satanic majesty
tonight we sacrifice
We drink our own blood
and blasphemy while
the moon is our only light
[skipped to the end]
Descend from blackened skies
on soundless magic wings
To spread the words of Satan
and live in eternal sin
-Bathory “Necromansy”
Yeah.
Hey, cheesy nordic satanic metal isn’t for everyone right? Totally comparable to a pop star whose stuff (as bland as it is) was meant to market to anyone so you can listen to her song in a commercial or on an elevator. Not.
Why compare to Whitney Houston? This leads to..
2) Remember all the racist crap people were saying about her on the Fox website just days ago? You know, the white folks who are so insecure they have to hate any black person who achieves any kind of success? ..not to mention shine a judgmental light down on them in a not so subtle racist manner? Yeah.
Well check this out:
3) Bathory didn’t just write satanic lyrics. See, a lot of this “nordic” metal genre has a little problem. White supremacists love it.
They have another song called “Under Runes” Here’s a sample of some lyrics:
In great numbers we advance before dawn
By the great hail this great fight is born
Among the clouds now our black wings fills the air
No more frontlines the holy battle is everywhere
Though death may await me on the battlefield
I die to go on but by the great hail I will go,
I am marching under the runes.
In the Encyclopedia of White Power: A Sourcebook on the Radical Racist Right by Jeffrey Kaplan, he singles out Quorthon for pandering to the neo-Nazi crowd.
Kaplan states, “…veiled references to the SS divisions of World War II Germany in the song “Under the Runes,” which Quorthon admits was a deliberate provocation. This was not the first time Bathory trod questionable ground with symbolism. [the album] Hammerheart featured a sunwheel cross emblazoned on its back cover, an oft-used icon of radical right wing organizations.”
4) Remember how there was that big story about Marines posing in front of an SS flag just days ago? Yeah.
So this is the comparison this person is making? Are you starting to smell what I smell?
It’s called racism.
Just sayin’
excellent point! Again, just because you write music…doesn’t make it good. I am still trying to wrap my mind around anyone that would state Whitney has NO TALENT. Seriously?
She had a decent singing voice, but it wasn’t all that great. What got her the attention was her vocal range… she could hit a high note that few vocalists can reach. But other than that, her vocals were not particularly awe inspiring by any definition. And she was only able to do so early in her career, by the time of her ‘comeback tour’ she had wrecked her voice to the point where she couldn’t come close to her earlier work.
She was given an amazing talent in her vocal range, which she proceeded to flush down the toilet. Her life should serve not as an inspiration, but as a warning.
Decent! Decent!!! LOL
Do you even know anything about music?
Besides listening ofc which even a monkey can do.
Calm down now. Don’t go and have a heart attack. To be fair, people like Freddie Mercury and Roy Orbison did have better ranges. And if you go to the opera house you can see women with just as, if not more incredible, voices than what Ms. Houston had. And this is coming from someone who DOES now something about music.
I think the images on this poster should be replaced with Two pictures of Freddie and just a list of all the stuff he did. Freddie’s great (and Roy Orbison is absolute baller-boss!)
^agreed. And let’s not forget Ronnie James Dio either
If you’re gonna talk about celebrities, at least talk about all of them. Or better yet, lets not talk about any of them and watch the news networks for actual news.
if thats true, then no one should care for Quorthon, since he ruined his own talents. lets not compare genres, especially when these musicians dont even play the same instrument. You’re prolly just a metalfiend upset that your messiah didn’t get enough press when he died and are projecting that indignation on a recent death that people happen to care about. whitney’s not the target here, apparently society is. whitney had talent, and so did quorthon, lets leave it at that.
I agree and disagree, as songwriters sell their songs to singers, as most can’t sing or at least have no public presence. No talent is harsh as singing, which she did well is unquestionably a talent, admittedly possessed by many that do not succeed but also not possessed by the vast majority, why not pick on athletes – I personally don’t believe that that they have a talent – a skill yes but not worth 10mil a year – - but most ‘creators’, ‘inventors’ don’t get recognized or super rich , I know the guy that ‘invented’ the portable phone, had to sell it to S*****ng for 10G (as no American company wanted to build it) they resold manufacturing rights to others and made millions – - – - may no be fair but life just isnt
Why does a person have to write their own music to deserve acclaim? Whitney Houston is SINGER, not a songwriter. She excelled at her chosen profession, and in the process gained fame and fortune. She was an amazing singer. I feel I am qualified to judge this because I have a Master of Music degree. Maybe if your metal guy had not been a jack of all trades, and been a master of one, he’d have been more famous. On the other hand, most people who are the best at their professions go through life with no publicity whatsoever. I’ve never seen a florist awards show, or a red carpet, A-list gala for cobblers. Whitney appealed to the masses, so the masses will miss her. She will be remembered, respected, and revered for her talent for generations, because that’s what happens to musicians who stand out to the whole world, instead of just a few hipsters who ‘like metal before it was cool.’
This.
She will be revered well into the year 3590900.
Yep…in the same way Hayden is revered in the year 2012…she’s a pop star. Regardless of her talent she will fade from memory in time, just like every other musician and every single one of us on this site right now. Eventually we will all just die and fade and no one will ever know we existed. And by the year 3590900, the earth may be gone anyways, so who the hell cares?
ahh, Papa H…
YEAH right… this dumb crack whore will be forgotten tomorrow when the next “big thing” is mentioned.
Yeah, and you will never be remembered for anything at all.. Sad..
Whitney Houstoun – no talent!!
You – no credibility.
Pop music makes money because its POPULAR! meaning people buy it and listen to it because they like it. and this is the majority. does it mean that metal gods who go unrecognized in the media suck? no it does not. it means they arent in the majority, that is all. I love ALL kinds of music. metal included. and i have no clue who that guy is. never heard of him. EVERYONE knows whitnety, and michael jackson, ect. thats is why the media covers them. not because they are “better” than someone else who died. its because they are well known. it is what it is people. you wanna change it? then get into media arts and do something about it. Just sayin.
No talent? Can you sing like that? I’m not defending Whitney but your argument is as useless as a screen door on a submarine! She may not have instrument talent or lyrical talent but to sing that way is a talent in itself. These 2 artists can not be compared! Each has their own demons and each has their own following. Whitney might have wanted a private battle but her intense popularity wouldn’t allow for such. Furthermore the popularity is what fueled the drug abuse, I’m sure! She was in every magazine, every TV, EVERYBODY knew her whether she wanted them to or not! Forsberg fought a private battle because he is, for the most part, unknown to the masses. His talents weren’t what mainstream wanted to hear. That’s the way it is! That’s life! These 2 musicians can not be compared AT ALL!!! It’s a rotten apple compared to a metal can!
Everyone is already tearing up your argument, so I’ll just go for the scraps: *ahem* Your Beethoven argument is invalid, people have said he was an inspiration but obviously you’re in your own bubble of this world. People repeatedly compose Beethoven music’s countlessly because his music is not only hard, but some of the best there ever was. While Whitney Houston will be remembered only in her time, fade a bit for a while, then come back when she performs live, makes a a few more bad albums, or in this case, DIE!
While, in all truth she did compose some great music, her fame also shines on her dark side, and just like like Beethoven’s short temper,she will also be remembered for all the negative exposed secrets she would like to keep to herself. Meaning, when enough time passes, only those who enjoy her voice and music will listen to her, but will mostly be forgotten when the next new, flashier thing comes along, probably one that isn’t filled with crack or herself, being able to milk it more, and longer.
#FACT
OK her recorded music will fade, the written songs & music by others likely will not — but lets get real the 20 records that the ‘comparison’ released didn’t even make it through his lifetime — I bet 90% of the respondents hear never heard of him — volume doesn’t mean quality – volume of sales, number of people that listen, watch, use your accomplishments, recognition and of course – yet to be seen – being remembered after death (or retirement) — those are signs of success and greatness …. . a one hit wonder could be greater than someone that made 50 albums . .. and publicity of their human failures actually annoy me , I personally think stars deserve the same right to deal with their demons that us ‘regulars’ so greatly enjoy
It’s really sad that obviously intelligent people don’t read or comprehend posts before commenting on them.
My reply was intended to show that by comparing Houston to any other artist — in order to show that Houston wasn’t “that great” of a musician — necessarily implies that you accept a hierarchy in musical talent. But if that’s so, the poster going on to conclude that “Quorthon” therefore wrote the “greatest music” ever is necessarily self defeating.
Why? Because then we can just follow the poster’s example, compare the heavy metal guitarist to someone like Beethoven, Berlioz or Chopin, and show that “Quorthon” is, in reality, a no-talent hack.
@Cuddles the Safety Clown- Not really- it’s called an opinion.
If it’s an opinion then it’s wrong here. Why? Because he’s putting forth his opinion as if it were categorical fact. Namely by saying that Houston wasn’t a good musician, “Quorthon” was, and therefore Houston is deserving of no respect, not even from her fans.
It’s obvious that the problem here is how popular the person’s death is. Beethoven’s life and death is mentioned in history books
It has nothing to do with musical talent. She was rich and black, he wasn’t, nuff said.
Who gives a sh¡t? Just sayin’
Hear hear. Now let’s go get some mead and watch some Bergman. Viking EVERYTHING!!!
this is why i hate celebrities.
they all need to be neutered and spayed
If only for the horrible baby names alone.
Not a peep from the press, because ‘Quorthon’ wasn’t famous. I’m just sayin’
^this.
True story.
The biggest clue is when it says “metal.”
Hmmm…Ever heard of Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Ronnie James Dio, Lamb of God, Attack Attack, Between the Buried and Me, Metallica, Pierce the Veil, Bring Me The Horizon, Marylin Manson, Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet For My Valentine, Slipknot…I can make several more lists if you dont recognize any of these quite popular groups. Some aren’t big time famous, but most of them are and all of them are headlining acts. Just because your stupid asses don’t appreciate real well-written music that requires incredible amounts to play, don’t lower all of us to your level of musical ignorance. Oh and Quorthon is famous, him and Bathory redefined the Black Metal scene
So many of these are terrible bands. I hate bands that are “metal” making metal seem bad and horribly inspired more than things that wouldn’t give metal a bad name because no one would think they are metal, like bieber or the jonas brothers.
What manner of ill-conceived gibberish is this?
What are you trying to say? I can’t understand this gibberish…please come back once you can make a valid and clear point.
I understand you! You’re saying that these faux-metal bands listed — Slipknot, Marilyn Manson are chief examples in this short list (I could add several) end up being popular. People assume metal is similar to these bands but it couldn’t be further from the truth if it deliberately tried to lie to your face. But… if somebody said that Bieber was metal your opinion of metal wouldn’t change. You know this is just a lie. But you readily accept that Slipknot is metal, when in fact they are not. You associate Slipknot’s music with metal in general and you are left with a false impression of what the genre is.
I think that’s what you meant.
Slipknot, by deffenition, is actually metal. They are a sub-genre of metal known as Shock Rock (same as manson) but still metal none the less. And I can add bands to my own list as well. Slayer, Antrhax, Motley Crue, Disturbed, Gorgoroth, Burzum, Darkthrone, Saxon, Hate, Escape the Fate, Anaal Nathrakh, Accept, Yngwie Malmstee, Rhapsody of Fire, Stratovarious, The Scorpions, Def Leapord (their earlier years), Godsmack. All of these are metal bands of various genres. Please do not argue with someone who has been playing and listening to metal all his life. Slipknot IS metal. Manson IS metal. They just aren’t fit into the nieat little sub-genres that your narrow minded persona listens to.
one or two of those bands is actually metal. and if you are dumb enough to think attack attack or metallica is metal, you should really check yourself, because u already wrecked yourself.. .lol
How isn’t Metallica metal?
Why, because they churned out a few subpar albums, they arbitrarily aren’t metal anymore? Their recent material is more or less just hard rock, but I have difficulty believing that Master of Puppets wasn’t metal.
Attack Attack is metal. They have heavy distorted guitars, low gutteral vocals, heavy drum-centric rythm, fast paced drums, a guitar-centric musical sound, and a varied use of rythm with occasional time and key signature changes. Therefore, by the deffinition of the sound, Attack Attack is metal,
And how is METALLICA not metal. This is METALLICA. Metallica (along with Slayer, Antrhax, and Megadeth) invented the whole sub-genre of Thrash Metal
Are you retarded?
You were doing very well until you mentioned Attack Attack. And Pierce the Veil. And MM. And Bring Me the Horizon. Now, if you replaced those with Pantera, Dream Theater, Megadeth, and Slayer or Anthrax or Five Finger Death Punch, then you would have yourself a nice little list there. I know that’s not the point of conversation here but I really can’t stand when people put all these Core bands who all look like emo Justin Biebers with black hair in the same category as legendary badasses like Dio, James Hetfield, Dave Mustaine, etc. There’s metal, then there’s wanna-be “metal” that is more of a fad than anything resembling timeless music. Screaming vocals don’t leave much room for variety, and eventually (if not already), breakdowns and screaming will make all Core music sound alike and it will die.
Dio, on the other hand, will always be loved and remembered and enjoyed by metal fans. Dio may not have had the same range as Whitney Houston, but his voice was much more powerful and inspiring. Add to that his outstanding character and role as a mentor to countless musicians today, and it brings to mind the question, why is the death of WH more documented in society than the death of Dio? Well, there are a few explanations. For one, WH died young, likely because of drug abuse. Dio died in his sixties, from cancer.
But more importantly, mainstream society prefers pop music, due to the fact that it is typically (and often, generically) happy music that is easy to comprehend, doesn’t have too much going on, and has a simple beat or rhythm that people can dacnce to. Metal will never have these qualities (although it can be generic and happy). Metal was founded on the roots of people who needed an escape. For and by people who maybe weren’t accepted by society because they were a little different. As a result, this music is written and enjoyed by these people. Metal music, for the most part, is not simple and easy to comprehend (although some can be, but I’m not refering to simple metal bands and songs). Real metal isn’t/wasn’t written for people to dance to (further proving Core bands to be invalid when considering metal). It is pure expression, either musical, technical, or emotional expression. The best metal combines those three.
Unfortunately, society refuses to appreciate good music. Classical music, the most beautiful music ever composed, isn’t even invited to the party, while Justin Beiber, Lady Gaga, Kanye West, and Katy Perry are VIPs. This is because society feeds on simplicity, which is why Jersey Shore and reality shows about celebrities are popular. Anyway, this rant has ventured in to an almost unrelated tangent. No one cares anyway. I’ll shut up now. Long live metal, as long as it’s real metal. Not Attack Attack… just terrible.
Real metal? Could you be any more of a tool? Metal is defined as a genre with a guitar-centric musical composition, drum-centric rhythm, general fast paced beat, occasional use of low guttural vocals, varied key and time signatures, and heavy syncopation. All of the bands I listed contain all of those elements, thus from a musical standpoint they are all “real metal”. And who the hell dances to metalcore? I have never seen someone dance to BFMV, Attack Attack, or any other metalcore band. It is still a musical, technical, and emotional expression. Just because you are too narrow minded to accept all metal as real metal, doesn’t mean that it isn’t actually metal. Please grow up and learn something so you can be intelligent rather than ignorant. No one writes metalcore for people to dance to. They use some electronic sounds in order to create a more varied sound, but that doesn’t make it pop. And the “screaming” (technically referred to as guttural vocals) have been common since the 90′s since PANTERA (a band you listed!) started it, so if you want to blame someone, blame them for setting the movement in motion. Core is metal, it is simply a newer evolution of the genre that you can’t accept because it doesn’t fit into your narrow minded “real metal”. So please, if you’re going to say something, say something intelligent.
Dymex;
Not a single band that you listed was/is as popular or famous as Whitney Houston.
Not a single one.
I never claimed that any of them were. I simply said that they are all at least relatively popular and that they are all headlining acts, thus showing that metal does have some relevance in the musical world. Oh, and before you say that you may want to check Metallica’s current numbers.
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, no, no, no, YES, no, no, yes, yes, no, Yes. Please make another list–that was fun!
Haha. I respect you sir for actually having fun with it and not taking it so damn seriously like these other d-bags. So just for you, here’s another list:
Eskimo Callboy, Job for a Cowboy, Darkthrone, Burzum, Emperor, Rainbow, Emmure, Cannibal Corpse, Vanna, Devildriver, Escape the Fate, iwrestledabearonce, Motley Crue, Poison, Alice Cooper, Trivium, Hate, Behemoth, Parkway Drive, All That Remains, The Black Dahlia Murder, Whitechapel, Suicide Silence, and Winds of Plague
Hope you have fun!
But about a million times more worthy of fame than Houston. The guy touched more lives than her by several orders of magnitude.
I listen to metal and never heard of Tomas Forsberg. I hate pop/r&b with a passion and could tell you who Whitney Houston was married to, name a few movies she has been in and even quote some of her goofy sayings…. I am what you would call normal. Deal with it!!
To be fair he was almost only known by his moniker Quorthon or by the name of his band Bathory. He had about as much influence on extreme metal as Black Sabbath had on metal as a whole.
Wait, so people who know who Thomas Forsberg is, aren’t “normal”?
Not mathematically speaking, no.
Albinos probably outnumber you 10 or even 100 to one.
Sorry.
^This
“Normal” is defined by general conformity to people’s behavior, not by inherent weirdness.
haha!! VERY TRUE.
Sorry for what? Condescending much?
I don’t really mind that much that people don’t consider it “normal” that people who don’t know who Quorthon or Bathory is, but it annoys me when people put words in my mouth that I’m trying to be different because of I do. I get it a lot.
Maybe you could try being……wait for it…….normal?
Maybe, just maybe, Metal is as worthless as any other form of music AND less people like it.
-Likes metal
“The guy touched more lives than her by several orders of magnitude”
This is just not true. Don’t be a hypocrite.
Just to make a point, he did touch a lot of lives in a greater magnitude, they just weren’t all American lives
Well clearly they don’t count, then.
–French
Quorthon wasn’t a celebrity.
I’m not sure if I can say that Whitney Houston was *seeking* fame, but with metal music, it’s more about playing the music and not giving a damn whether you become famous or not, which in most, cases, you don’t because of the reputation that metal music generally has.
I wouldn’t expect most of America to approve of Bathory with songs like “In Conspiracy With Satan”. I like it, but I don’t expect other people to.
This is great.
It’s only sad that some people think because a singer sings about everyday stuff is automatically bad.
For instance. I like listening to this band called Dark Funeral. I can’t even comprehend the lyrics that’s how distorted they are and I don’t give a rats ass about what they are singing about. But I listen to them because I like the sound they make.
exactly, applause
Fame doesn’t matter when someone like him pretty much created a music genre. I’m a fan of Whitney and Tomas, but I can’t help noticing that he did much more for music in his short life than Whitney could have ever done in 2 or 3 centuries.
hehe so true ;D
innovative musicians and artists die all the time. of course the media isn’t going to go apesh¡t over an artist that nobody has heard of who revolutionized a genre that nobody cares about. people said the same about the programmer who died around the same time as Steve Jobs, but that one was arguably justifiable and actually original. real classy, bashing a famous dead person.
Real classy, counter-bashing a “basher”. The media is the media. The only reason you know about Whitney is because they published the crap out of her. And how can you say metal is a genre no one cares about? There’s just a rock and roll hall of fame so people can look at guitars… obviously. Just because you may not like it or know about it doesn’t mean anything. Take your fake name and opinions and go nuts over some other articles.
From the media’s point of view, ol’ fakename is right, nobody cares about metal. There’s no money to made in putting somebody like Bathory on your front page or broadcast. People forget that the news media isn’t about reporting news, it’s about making money. I’m not arguing that Barthory was more or less talented than Whitney, but you can’t deny that many more people will watch or read about her than someone who played black metal. He pioneered a musical genre that was a fringe genre in a fringe genre, and not enough people have heard of him for the mainstream media to report on it. As bland and generic as I think Whitney’s music was, she obviously appealed to the general public in a much bigger way than Bathory did. And a second point I’d like to make is that taking into account the general attitude of black metal fans, if Bathory had become mainstream, they would have been shunned and called sellouts by the very people that so fervently support them now.
So what are you saying?
We should all mourn for that lice-ridden hippie who played 4 instruments (it doesn’t say good), released 14 albums and ‘innovated’ (how? says who?) the metal genre?
Instead of Houston, who everyone has at least heard of or at least knows one song she sang. Apparently she did so well, otherwise I can’t explain her record sales, as compared to his which are presumably negative.
There is also no reason to mourn for her.
Her family and friends do have a reason. And I’ve noticed that people who rise to fame and become loved by a large number of people end up being mourned by those who loved that artist. People feel as though they know the artist, because they have followed their public life closely.
I personally just don’t like how the media has to talk about the death every single day. My parents liked her, they were sad that she died, then they moved on. The media sees that she’s dead, and they feel the need to remind people every day, because things like the death of a celebrity equals fairly easy money. They don’t have to really do much besides rerun the same story every day, with little variation.
I’m sorry, I may have gotten off topic there.
off topic not a problem – I think you’ve identified an issue – that is the media latches on to the death of someone famous and packages it for consumption to their sponsor’s buyers.
many of the people in the media do genuinely feel badly or a sense of loss over the death of someone who may have touched their own lives too, but it is their job to sell a story,
perhaps it is appropriate that a musician who toils in relative obscurity is truly and deeply mourned by those who really loved them – opposed to being another commodity media outlets use to sell advertising.
I will say it bothers me that for some reason a lot of people feel like they have to go to one extreme or the other. It’s either “OMG I love Whitney Houston, I’m gonna go buy all her albums, nobody say anything bad about her because SHE’S DEAD!!!!” or the hipster and/or cool rebellious social outcast route of “whatever. her music sucked. people who care about her dying are just stupid sheeple. im glad shes dead.”
Why are there so few people who have the appropriate response of “Oh, that sucks that a person died. Regardless of my own opinion of her music, I feel sorry for her fans and people who knew her.” and then just move on?
It’s like politics, or sports-fanhood. I guess it’s funner to have a strong opinion for no reason than to just be sensible.
I was totally with you until “funner”. One small blight on an otherwise level-headed opinion.
I somewhat agree, I feel bad for her family because it sucks to lose a family member. I don’t feel bad for her fans, because they didn’t know her, and they wouldn’t have ever cared about her if she couldn’t sing. I didn’t like her music, but that’s not why I don’t care that she’s dead. I don’t care that she’s dead because I’m a cold hearted bastard.
No, this is very much On Topic.
Agreed. Pandering to these morons and feeling sorry for them (just them, not their families, which is another subject entirely) is just letting society know that this kind of behavior is acceptable.
I wont’ mourn the loss of a drug addict who had EVERY advantage in getting clean and sober.
^ This
I hope nobody in your family ever struggles with drug addiction.
You know what, people in my family HAVE struggled with drug addiction, myself included. And screw her, she had everything she could have ever wanted, what effin’ reality was she trying to escape from? It was HER decision to get involved with people who she shouldn’t have, HER decision to smoke crack and put crap up her nose, and HER decision to not get clean even though she had every chance in the world to. I would have loved to have seen her come out on top and be an example to every drug addict on the street that it can be done if you put your mind to it, but she wanted to wallow in her own crap and end up dead in a bathtub. Screw her, she’s a failure, it’s not our fault she’s dead.
DLS is right. It’s not like should couldn’t have afforded/been able to get help with her addiction. I’d understand if she had gotten herself addicted and could find no way to help herself. But she could’ve.
Her death was self-inflicted and therefore demands no sympathy from me.
Says anyone who have the faintest clue about anything even remotely associated with extreme metal. And you need to be extremely retarded to equate record sales with musical quality. I’ll just say “Justin Bieber” and rest my case there.
That his works are not known to the larger public is, I belive, kind of the point of this post.
Ancient argument wherein you can pit any number of Classical/Romantic composers to Beethoven and, because you know about this genre of music, get all prickly because no one’s heard of Cherubini. There certainly, likewise, must be someone somewhere who has never heard of either. And contributing to any artform in any way is no more than just that. Neither of them created a major contribution to human existence in the much larger sense. I bet Danny Shectman’s all like, “Uhhh, hey guys, quasicrystals. Boundless quantum possibilities. Let’s not wait till I’m dead to debate over which scientist should get more credit.” Then I’m all like, “Yeah, Danny, let’s go get some Popeye’s.” What I take genuine offense to is the fact that this is subtitled “Just Sayin” when it is clearly intended to provoke the very discussion occurring now (eihter that, or it’s intended to boost Mayhem’s record sales… that’s where my mind goes.) Just Sayin’, indeed!
This.
You’re retarded.
‘Lice-ridden hippie’?
Was that really necessary?
Quorthon wrote some of the best music I’ve ever heard and he didn’t do it to for fame. He wasn’t a drugged-up, generic, ballad singer, who gave into societies pressure and threw her life away for a cheap high.
The key word there being the best music “you” have heard.
What if people believe that Houston sang some of the best music “they” have ever heard?
Your subjective judgment still wins out?
Okay.
Ah, true.
Opinions are a b¡tch.
W-tf. You’re supposed to be mad.
Jerk.
Hate it when people won’t argue….
I guess my reply to that is she sang it…and didn’t create it. She had an amazing voice, no one is denying that, but really all she was is an instrument, no different then a guitar or drum.
I mean how many people tweeted the phrase “I will always love you” the day she died? Do any of them know Dolly Parton wrote that song?
Regardless of genre or even medium we should place more value on creators.
This is how I viewed it, exactly.
Not only that, Dolly’s cover of the song was better than Whitney’s cover of the song. Who was more famous for singing it?
And again, in 1993, Whitney’s cover of “I’m Every Woman” overshadowed the much better Chaka Khan cover of the Ashford & Simpson-penned song.
Why do people have a perverse desire to prefer the inferior of two choices?
An argument could be made that Whitney’s was better from a technical standpoint, but for my taste I prefer the emotional impact of Dolly’s.
Also, just ’cause I’m a stickler, Dolly’s version wasn’t a cover. She wrote it, that was the original. Whitney covered it and people thought it was better because it was made into a “pop” song instead of a “country” song.
Obviously what is considered “better” of the two is completely subjective and you stating as fact just makes you sound like a moron. Both are great. move on.
I have this comment on vinyl.
I love the judgement in the room. People have demons… even your precious Lord Farquaht or whatever his name is had them I am sure. Generic? Hardly. What…you don’t know people that have addictions? You have never had one yourself? Do you drink? Smoke pot? Do drugs of any kind? I certainly will not sit here and say I have not had my fun. This is not throwing one’s life away…. this is often either:
1.) having fun
2.) an addiction just like everyone else has
Her drug habits (although I do think it is sad that she had them), should not come up at death, much like I hope at your funeral there are not people basically spitting on your casket talking about all of the horrible things you did in your life. The difference is, you get to conceal yours because (and I do not mean this rudely), but no one gives a crap about you…or me for that matter.
So, just because more people have heard more songs by an artist, that makes them more important?
Also, record sales don’t dictate talent. Whitney Houston had some, but seeing who DOES sell albums nowadays, it doesn’t require anything but the right publicity.
not at all.. she is just , and most definitely a better vocalist. End of story. She has been classically trained and she maintained consistent album sales over at least 2-3 decades.
I don’t deny her talent. It’s not something I’d listen to, but I credit her where due.
Metallers are generally not lice-ridden hippies.
I have never heard a Whitney Houston song in my life. I don’t plan on this changing.
Please. Leave.
If anything, the crowd at Coachella are closer to being “lice ridden hippies” than anyone in a metal band or who likes metal.
That’s good. We don’t want idiots listening to real music.
Yeah, it was a bleak mood on Sweden Rock Festival that year. And a metric crap ton of tribute covers. And the world is worse for losing him.
Nobody gives a crap about metal,
i’m just saying
^ dis
They wanna be all niche and underground and then wonder when no mainstream press writes about their issues. Psh.
So true. Not just with Metal, but any non-mainstream music. If you like it, great but don’t b¡tch when no one gives a sh¡t about it.
Lol at metal not being mainstream music. Needed the laughs. You shouldn’t whine when people do give a crap about it. Truly sorry we aren’t all you.
lol you think we care what you like, thats where the issue is, the poster is mad that mainstream peeps don’t care about metal, and lol at metal not being mainstream? there are 3 “metal” groups in the top album sales of all time according to wikipedia, metalica, Guns and roses, and ac/dc, (and thats being generous saying gnr and ac/dc are metal) out of 69 different artists so a little math shows thats about 4% oooooo real mainstream. then theres the argument of “well sales dont mean anything look at justin bieber or whatever”, thats all good in thought but there is a reason people like that music, just like there is a reason you like metal. and much many more people like that crap than metal as shown by sales. i dont care what you like or don’t like, so don’t go out of the way to say that others should care about what you like, or your opinion. thats why its YOUR OPINION
I would hate for good metal to get mainstream attention.. yeah. \m/
As a metal fan, most of us don’t give two craps about whether or music gets media attention. We just don’t see the value in getting all teary eyed over a dead singer with a coke problem when we never knew personally in the first place. And not all metal bands WANT to be all niche and underground. A lot of bands play in several different niche’s. For instance Darkthrone plays black metal, death metal, and extreme metal. And the only reason we’re underground is because people such as yourselves would rather listen to things like Whitney Houston
Metal is dead.. Okay? It’s dead. Just gone. Anyone who had talent now has a walker and pain medication.
“*INSERT MUSIC TYPE HERE* is dead”. The hipsters called, they want their phrase back.
Metal is “dead”, but the radio and MTV play the same five or six singers who aren’t “dead” YET, because by the same time next year, their sound’s already dated.
You obviously don’t know good metal.
Except from people who like metal.
I like Metal. I don’t care if you don’t like it, it’s your opinion and you know what they say: opinions are like a$$holes, everybody’s got one.
Except apparently for the people who commented on here.
I’m just saying.
Who cares, metal is a waste of time.
Like your penis.
I don’t have one!
Not with me….
Haha, that sucks.
Any type of music can be considered a “waste of time”. When it all comes down to it, no matter how much emotion you get from it, it’s still just a form of entertainment. \m/
this guy touched a lot of people… meaning a relatively small number of white people who are into metal.
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True, though.
Other than power metal—which is somewhat popular in Asia and Latin America, mainly because it has a much more mainstream sound—post-’80s metal is something pretty much only Northern Europeans like. It’s not even popular in the US, which is a bad sign, for a rock genre.
It may not be popular, but I’m fine with that.
I actually have several black friends that love Bathory and extreme metal as a genre. So don’t be a prick and just say only white people like extreme metal, it just isn’t true
I just love when someone tells me how they have some black friends.
I love it when people completely misinterpret the meaning of what someone says. If you think I’m simply trying to brag about the fact that I have black friends, just pack up your computer now, you aren’t intelligent enough to own it. The point is that it isn’t just a few white people scattered around the world that like extreme metal. Race generally has nothing to do with it, so don’t put it in where it doesn’t belong. And don’t be a prick and say things that are untrue and ignorant.
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American women
Stay away from me
hates this.. probably done by someone who saw whitney on the fame side of things.. you take that all away from her and youre left with one of the best female vocalist of all time… Quorthon maybe awesome with instruments.. but no instrument could match Whitneys awesome voice! …..just sayin’
Doesn’t change the fact that her career was 99% PR, and that she destroyed it 100% by herself. If you think her career was less than 99% PR, go to a decent opera house any day, you’ll get some piece of awesome voice.
..and youre still at it about her fame! WHO CARES! if she did drugs and didnt write her own songs and blah blah blah… musicians like me adores her beautiful voice! Opera is nice as well… but Im for Whitney anyday!
I’m not getting it. You admit that thousands of opera singers have at least as good a voice as what she had, that she had nothing special besides her voice, that she was rather a failure as a person. But she still was the best. Yeah… PR forever.
Can’t agree more. People and thinking ftw.
*Gives trophy to Nicolas* Moujej…thanks for playing.
To be fair, I didn’t see the media treating Whitney Houston very kindly at all in her final days, so I’m not sure what PR you’re talking about.
Yeah, people who are famous and practically worshipped usually don’t deserve it. In France there’s this Zidane, who is a world-class A$$-hole still making millions upon millions because he’s famous. And I was just thinking about that when I saw Angelina Jolie arriving on the set of some dumb (French) TV show: the audience gave her a standing ovation. WTF? Has she cured cancer while I wasn’t paying attention? I’d give a standing ovation to Aung San Suu Kyi any day and prostrate on Sundays. But to some filthy rich person coming to sell one more dumb movie in order to get even richer (and afford some more plastic surgery)? GTFOOH
(yes I’m aware that Jolie is rather one of the “good guys” in Hollywood. That changes peanuts. Even if she has given millions, she hasn’t given up being filthy rich=she has given peanuts, less than what I give when I give 100 EUR for a good cause)
So true, I never listened to his music but I’m sure he is waaay more talented than her.
Is it before or after taxes?
How about I not give a crap about either of them? Norman Borlaug for the win!!
this
And we still don’t know who he is after reading his bio.
Then you have failed at reading.
Whitney never said why crack was wack. I’m just sayin.
Whitney Houstan died a crack head in a bathtub just sayin’
Pretty much.
There is little more touching than “Hammerheart” and “Blood On Ice”. There are two complete genres of Metal that would not be without this one man. There is nothing except her own stuff that would not be without that one woman.
He did record a bunch of covers, though, both with Bathory and on his solo albums, so he did not exactly write _every_ single song he ever recorded.
Either way, it’s criminal that the man is not appreciated by the wider-scale metal scene. The one now declining into screamo and metal-core…
The man deserves a place in The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.
When I tell people I like metal, it’s like speaking another language to some people. I admit, it does get pretty exasperating.
“What music do you like?”
“Metal.”
“Oh, like Avenged Sevenfold?”. No.
So, I am completely with you there.
I agree. I do like bands like Avenged Sevenfold and other less extreme bands, but I still love Bathory, Darkthrone, Burzum, and Gorgoroth. Yet nobody else seems to no any of them even though they are all amazing musicians
Lol, Gorgoroth sounds like a villain from The Smurfs.
Even as a fan, I have to admit that it does. Their a Norweigan Black Metal band. Their name comes from the dead plane of darkness and despair in Mordor.
Well anytime you have a unique gift and toss it out to drugs it stinks, so lets just say they both were talented and Whitney had a better PR agent. No more squabbling, boys and girls:)
I personally would rather die in peace than have my death played on every news channel for weeks.
It is Quorthons birthday today, he would have been 46! Hail the hordes! There is none mightier than Bathory!
*mentally rates up*
How about we mourn both of them equally because at their core they were just human beings who died a young, tragic death? Seriously, it’s not about who thinks what music is better or anything stupid and pretentious like that.
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This
I agree
BLOOD FIRE DEATH
Meh… too soon. MAJOR Failblog FAIL.
I don’t give a bleep about Whitney Houston, but compared to Michael Jackson the child molesting freak, she was a saint. I did guess what she died from, what do I win?
Because he was culturally irrelevant… Metal sucks!
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whitney houston was “culturally” relevant? why?
She was culturally relevant because she was in American movies, media and popular music. He was in neither of these things. Thus, he was culturally irrelevant. I’m sure some news outlets in Sweden printed news of his death, since he was probably somewhat more renowned there. In America and, by extension, other English-speaking news outlets, Houston’s death was covered.
At what point did American movies, media, and popular music become equated with “culture?” (Unless, that is, one means that stuff that grows in the dish after someone swabs the back of your throat?)
I write that as an American, by the way.
As a Canadian, I’m pointing out that Whitney Houston’s death was culturally relevant to the media outlets that covered her death. I doubt that her death was all over the Russian-language news outlets to the extent that it was in the English-language ones. Like it or not, American music, movies and television shows are popular in many cultures, especially those that primarily speak English. Do you think it’s more likely that a Chinese person, despite not speaking English, has watched an episode of Friends, or that an American person has watched the Chinese equivalent? By the same token, do you think a Chinese person is more likely to know Houston or Forsberg? Again, it is because American culture is the most globalized; thus, it becomes culturally relevant in most English-speaking, and even some non-English-speaking, cultures.
I don’t think that’s the criterium Jim is talking about. I’d say he’s right about the fact that the US movies / music that gets the most media coverage is bad, although there are some exceptions. For music I’d say the Doors and… probably some more recent bands. For movies, Kubrick, David Lynch… (old Woody Allens)
Those examples of US music and cinema are clearly part of “culture”.
But I totally that if you’re into music you should know not only about UK-US bands but also about German and Russian bands whatever is your favorite genre, and then some more depending on your favorite genre. If you’re a movie fan you should watch French, Russian, German, Japanese movies on top of the classic Italians, the Bergmans… (the lists of the movies nominated for best foreign movie is a good place to start) and not waste your time with those atrociously bad Hollywood movies which make hundreds of millions with 5 idiotic recipes (good guy saves the world by himself, guy meet girls, dumb magical phenomenon make life of boring people exciting, stuff based on true events but stretching as much as necessary to make the public love one guy and hate the other, and teenage comedies) which all try to turn your brain your brain into porridge instead of trying to be anything like art.
General comment insinuating an overall dislike of stated opinion.
“I don’t give a bleep about Whitney Houston, but compared to Michael Jackson the child molesting freak, she was a saint. I did guess what she died from, what do I win?”
You are an ignorant clueless moron. Proof Michael Jackson molested kids! Maybe you were molested as a child.
wow….maybe the MILLIONS he had to pay when he was SUED FOR MOLESTING KIDS you pathetic F&^K
But he made Thriller!
In all fairness, that was proven to be a scandal later on and as it turns out MJ never actually molested anyone. Saying that he molested children just because he was found guilty is like saying Casey Anthony didn’t kill her little daughter just because the court system said not-guilty. The justice system doesn’t always do justice, and he was still quite possibly the greatest performer the world has every seen
You get a small child in your bed with you. What are you going to do, watch it play with Transformers?
How about she did have a great voice and even tough she made bad choices that led to her death she was still talented. I don’t know who he is but anyone that dies because of drugs is a tragedy famous or not.
soooo…it’s not a tragedy if you don’t die of a drug overdose?
Those two solo albums that Quorthon made in the mid 90′s were fantastic! R.I.P.
I had a friend that did that to, but I didn’t feel like sitting in front of a web cam naked.
So sad–so freakin true….
this guy touched a lot of people… meaning a relatively small number of white people who are into metal.
Yes, a couple of millions is a small number indeed…
In a world of 7 billion, it is a very small number.
Statistically, there are roughly 7 million albino humans on the planet (it occurs in roughly .1% of the population). That’s more than a “couple” of million.
So yes, it is a small number—he touched fewer lives than albinism.
Although I agree there are some underrated and overrated musicians out there, I think this is unfair. Tomas Forsberg might have inspired thousands of metal heads, but Whitney Houstan inspired millions of pop fans, including some of the biggest pop icons of this generation. To say that her death doesn’t deserve the attention that it has gotten is just bitter, which isn’t uncommon from a metal fan (which I can say because I too listen to Metal)
I’m pretty sure most singers in the U.S of this current generation wee influenced by her. O_o
haha….”music” fail
I am a metal head gal and I love this post! Anyone who isn’t into metal, just for the heck of it, watch Metal: A Headbanger’s Journey. It’s a really great documentary that demonstrates the true comradery of metal heads. You don’t have to like the music but it will make you understand us as fans. I think the point of the post was not that Tomas should have been in the papers and on tv 24/7 when he died…but that Whitney should NOT have been. Fame and talent have little to do with each other. Whitney had near-perfect pitch. That’s about it. Everything else was done for her. OTHER people wrote the songs, OTHER people played the instruments etc. But to actually craft something yourself is so much more valuable. Of course music is always going to be a matter of taste, but there’s always something to be said for being an artist, rather than a megaphone for someone else’s work.
So, in other words, you’re all miffed because the media didn’t make a STAR out of Quorthon? F*ck that noise. Why did he need fame to be validated as a musician? If anything, I’ve seen fame doing more destructive things than actual good, and if you ask me, I prefer to metal to have a more exclusive fanbase because it’s more intimate between the fans and musicians. That’s something unique to popular entertainers.
Quorthon was in Bathory, basically a pioneer for extreme metal, a genre associated with rebellion. You think that it’d do Quorthon and the rest of Bathory any favors sanitizing his music and producing it to oblivion? Because I don’t.
Fame either corrupts people or the general public who eats it up turns its back on you once your “weaknesses” are perceived or you’re replaced by someone else. Before Whitney Houston died, the media humiliated her just like they did with Amy Winehouse.
You sir, just entirely missed the point. He’s saying that NEITHER of them should have recieved coverage. He shouldnt have gotten media coverage (and he didnt
) and neither should she. There are more important things going on in the world than a pop star dying.
No not at all. I realize that these sequences of characters tend to blur together and all, but she was actually writing words. They convey a thought. One which is counter to the one you seemed to suggest. That is, if you didn’t just happen to mash a keyboard in between drooling and petting a “kitty.”
She was actually writing words? Well, consider me stunned! I’m pretty sure I did too, regardless that I made a booboo. I misread it, and I concede to that point.
However, my argument still stands to the original post anyway. The original poster…seems to be a bit surprised, if not bothered, that Quorthon wasn’t famous. Fame doesn’t validate your achievements.
Sorry, Linz. I didn’t see the extra “not” in there. Forget my post was a response to yours.
And everyday people who do extraordinary work to further the progress of human, animal, and environmental rights around the world die and go unnoticed. But no, keep whining that a musician you like deserves more credit because he innovated a genre and you never heard of Whitney Houston inspiring anyone. You are so much better than everyone who listens to cheesy pop music because they fall for society’s trap of commercialized music and you like music that is ACTUALLY good because opinion and preference does not apply to music.
You people are pieces of work. You sit behind your computer screen names bashing Whitney, comparing her works to another. You’re no better than the media, where were all these comparisons when she was alive? Drugs and a troubled personal life deems the right for you to badly typed flames? Did she did do it to herself, yes, no one is saying she didn’t, but she did attempt to clean herself up. You’re lucky no one knows all your bad deeds to judge you. Let’s me know how jaded you nerds are. You act like since because their famous you should watch the forced coverage and forced to respect her just because she died. Please America was a douche to her then, and you keep points for keeping the doucheness regardless.
PS. Metal suck ass. Not everyone has to like it.
I agree! Metal is for psychotic morons! It’s not even a music.
That’s an incredibly ignorant statement.
I’m insulted that you consider me a ‘psychotic moron’ because of what I listen to.
I bet you just describe metal as,’shouting and loud noises’ like all the kids who haven’t given time to stopping and actually listening. Metal is a very large genre, spanning into many multiple sub-genre’s, and to simply categorize it and it’s fanbase is incredibly foolish.
I was right with you until you used the contraction “it’s” instead of the possessive “its.”
But, that aside, one could easily classify Black Gospel music as ‘shouting and loud noises.’ (Not a complaint–I’m a fan.) Some forms of metal may, in fact, be ‘shouting and loud noises.’ (I’m looking at you, screamo.)
In fact, a lot of entertainment could be characterized as ‘shouting and loud noises.’ (Action-adventure movies, for example.) What of it? Responding to the complaints is nothing more than a self-justifying act, and self-justifying acts aren’t worth the effort. You don’t have to justify what you like and don’t like. You just seem defensive, which isn’t the best way to portray yourself.
Don’t feed the troll!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK0rvReE-4c metal is music
^this
Don’t say ‘metal suck ass’ as if it is a fact, while it is just a matter of taste.. grow up. Fact is this guy has accomplished way more than Whitney.
Sitting behind a computer raging over other people and stating more opinions. What a jaded nerd.
PS. Music sucks, not everyone has to like it.
You guys sound like a bunch of big ‘ol crybabies.
Let me guess… was her name Janis and is she paid to be a human spambot? Did she have to buy into the Ponzi scheme first to “establish herself”? Does she know my friend, the Nigerian prince in exile with financial difficulties?
Leave the grief Olympics out of this. Both the artists inspired people in their own genres, in their own ways, and thus constructed their own niche influence. Both their untimely deaths are sad to their families, friends, and admirers.
The true issue here is the press vultures who feed off stories. Don’t transfer the blame as fodder for a cheap joke at the expense of two blameless individuals.
Also, that’s Cissy Houston.
It means his music sucked.
I AM A STE-GO-SAURUS
Sorry, people, all I see here is a couple of drug-addicts who died young. Move on.
umm…who?
Exactly. There’s a million metal rockers out there who think they’ve had an impact on the music industry. News flash, Metal is a niche market and I’ve never heard of this guy.
Careful. In case you hadn’t heard, not hearing of this guy is a crime.
Metal is NOT a niche market. If you’re going to say that you might as well say all music is a niche market. And some metal rockers did have an impact on the music industry, this guy included. This guy did for extreme metal what Ozzy Osbourne and Rob Halford did for traditional metal.
“I believe crack is my future. Use it well and let it rule your day. Show them all the demons you possess inside.”
Just singin’
This is really inappropriate! God dammit, the woman just died and her family, friends and fans are mourning. Could you wait like 5 minutes with posting your crap?!!! Jesus christ, people have different taste. I hate metal music, but that does not entitle me to diss the people that make it. I think Whitney Houston had great talent. And no matter what, she died and deserves to be treated with respect. Grow up! She touched just as many people as Tomas Forsberg did. I didn’t know him, but I still think it’s sad that he died so young – because I know that there are a lot of people who love him and misses him. Just like there are with Whitney Houston!
Well said.
I’m pretty sure Whitney’s family isn’t reading posts on failblog. Unbunch your panties, and go watch The Bodyguard with a tub of B&J and get over it.
I just don’t see the point of this. People like who and what they like. If you’re a fan of this guy then just be that. You don’t have to tare down a great singer to do so. If he was as great as you say, then he shouldn’t need it.
“Metal is for psychotic morons”… You obviously have never met Metalheads, they generally are among the nicest people you will ever meet.
They’re whiny little genre segregationists, though.
And I can say that, as (being a fan of ’80s glam metal) I technically am a metalhead.
Don’t group all of us in with you. I like 80′s glam metal, I like Sabbath and Priest and Maiden as well. I also like A7X, BFMV, and Attack Attack. I’ll even go as far as Gorgoroth and Darkthrone. A lot of metalhead’s don’t care what genre of metal they’re listening to, so just because you do, don’t group us all in with you
So, we’re gonna ignore her philanthropic actions?
OK.
Yes. We are. One does not simply buy herself into heaven.
Lame. No one knows who that guy is. You say he’s good. If he was good I would know who he was. You say only talentless pop stars get this sort of front page attention. Tell it to Amy Winehouse, Kurt Cobain, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison…..
Beautiful.
You put Amy Whinehouse in the same tragic company as Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin?!
For shame, user.
Also hard to put Cobain in there too, but he’s not nearly as wrong on your list.
My list was “non pop stars who’ve made front page news”….so where was the wrong? I don’t think you read the whole sentence.
Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison are non-pop to you? They’re rock, for sure, but damn popular which oddly enough I think is where pop derives from.
People (everyone I knew) laughed at Amy Whinehouse’s death because she had long been acknowledged as a running joke. Killer punchline. But srlsy, the point you missed is I AM saying Whinehouse and Cobain are far removed talent-wise, from the music icons you listed.
You recklessly imply by association that Hendrix, Joplin, and Morrison are talentless pop stars; or, even worse, that Amy Whinehouse was amazing and brilliant. You don’t even realize it, and for that I think you’re a little retarded. Unless you’re just gonna list all famous ppl ever who have tragically died too soon you need to refine your listings.
Greatness is measured by body of work, and lasting effect: timelessness. Popularity does not define greatness, it never has; once in a while the two coincide, and we in the moment appreciate something so wonderful. Flash in the pan, one hit wonders, and all the other mediocrity we are told is brilliance makes us lose the ability to see real greatness.
Ke$ha and Justin Bieber must be good too, since you know who they are. Jackwagon.
I certainly hope nobody knows who Ke$ha is—would not the mind topple, to stare into that nighted abyss? There are things mankind was not meant to know.
Oh, but they do.
That being said, if Ke$ha kicked the bucket tomorrow, I wouldn’t be all “WHAT ABOUT MY FAVORITE DEAD MUSICIAN?????” either.
I’d be happy to tell them, except, you know, they’re kinda dead. And even when they were alive, they wouldn’t have listened.
All this truckload of comments and nobody pointing out the real problem with this garbage (1) it’s not a fail (2) it’s not funny.
Soo toon man, soo toon.
too long, still read… after all this bashing is it okay if I just don’t give a fck about either… ?
I think it’s great, that everyone has their taste in music and their idols and whatnot and surely, if someone who’s music has changed your life, dies, no fcking matter how many albums they sold or how many pills they popped or not, it’s sad and therefor legit to feel like *insert fitting comparison scenario here*
however, I doubt we will ever scientifically determine who’s the best musician ever, and we can all make cute, little comparison posters, each especially phrased and stressing certain carefully googled facts to support our own pov on who’s boss, so what’s the point…
and on a different note, we all know that the damn media only cares about famous people (which has no relation to whether talented or not), or is this new? anyone read a front page headline about dennis ritchie lately?
(though there seems to be a page about quorthon at a website called anus.com, awkward)
and who tha’ hell is that dude Quorthon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorthon
I never do this but honestly this post is just in bad taste. A woman did die whether u feel her music was your taste or not. This is only one persons definition of what a” true artist” is. It just ridiculous. Whitney legacy is based on her unbelievable singing ability. No one claims she did anything else.
He’s not criticizing the fact that people are sad that she’s dead. He’s criticizing the fact that her death has been the center of media attention since it happened. Please understand something before you speak of it.
He’s not criticizing the fact that her death has been the center of media attention since it happened. He’s whining about the fact that somebody HE like didn’t get AS MUCH media attention. Please understand something before you speak of it.
I do understand. I understand quite well. But I’m obviously wasting my time in trying to explain it to your unintelligent mind. If all you see is someone whining, then you have no capability to understand the true message. Please leave the internet to those of us with functioning minds.
OK. Whitney Houston was an incredible talent that had an amazing range and could hit notes few artists could, regardless of music genre. Forsberg may have also been an incredible talent… but here’s the thing: Houston’s music was enjoyed by the masses, while Forsberg’s music was enjoyed only appreciated by white trash. Limited audience = limited celebrity… “just saying.”
White trash isn’t determined by what bands you enjoy but how ignorant you are. How white trash of you.
The only Forsberg I know is Peter Forsberg.
I don’t really care about either artist. It’s sad that their families and friends lost them, but I just don’t care. I’m slowly losing someone close to me so I couldn’t give a rats ass about either of these people or their lives or their contributions to music.
Yeah, I’m a huge fan of Peter Forsberg. He’s the reason that the Flyers got Lindros and didn’t win championships.
RIP Quorthon…this was a great post…I think a lot of the reason Quorthon didn’t get a lot of english speaking media press when he died was that he passed away the same year as dimebag darrel, who was way more well known here in the states
Never heard of either of them
You sir, are amazing
Setting aside the extreme bad taste this is in, I hope you’re planning to make more posts like this one about unknown but extremely hard working civil rights activists, soldiers, firefighters, policemen, overseas reporters/photographers, and other who died while young contributing to the world.
Now, is using someone’s death just to complain about how people I consider more worthy were unknown when they died petty? Yes, it probably is.
They are both tragic deaths. Addiction is a horrible disease. They were both talented people. One person was more famous than the other, and that death is what is going to sell. It doesn’t make the other person’s death any less sad. However, it also does not diminish the accomplishments or talent of either person. I think comparisons like this are asinine and are solely meant to be polarizing. This post is the FAIL.
why no press coverage about the swede? cause he’s swedish. and cause his music wasnt really that great. he’s kinda like the sex pistols- famous even though their music is crappy.
now- im not arguing about his talent as a musician. unlike the sex pistols, this guy did have talent. honestly though, as far as the swedish are concerned, ABBA or GTFO.
^
Absolutely. Arguing over who should be mourned for? Fail.
I don’t know either of these people.
My first thought when I saw that Whitney Houston had died was, “Well, that’s a little overdue. Somewhat surprising she didn’t OD years ago”
My next thought was, “Why isn’t there any REAL news on the front page?”
Am I the only one finding it offensive that they put Quorthon’s pic next to some drug addict who could only sing?
Am I the only one finding it stupid that you would compare the media coverage of a dead attention wh0ring pop SINGER (yes, thats right, all she did was SING) to one of the most influential musicians to have ever lived?
Come on man, whats next? Michael “Kiddy Touch” Jackson Vs Dio?
Stop insulting metal legends by comparing them to pop musicians. Pop is for the tasteless masses. Metal is for thinking human beings.
I’m as much a metal fan as you are, but your argument is like a confused child throwing a temper tantrum.
You seem to be upset that Quorthon and Dio received less media coverage than Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson while you’re whining about how pop music is only for idiots. Well, I’d hate to break it to you, but if Bathory became more mainstream, they’d be forced to water down their music.
Pick one and run with it. Chances are if the media reported all over Quorthon’s death you wouldn’t like THAT either.
Totally true. Most quantum physicists I know are total metalheads.
Amen.
I LIKE Bathory but this is really childish.
Comparing Whitney Houston and Quorthon is like comparing apples and oranges. They target two different audiences.
Whitney Houston was a pop singer. Quorthon fronted a metal band, and was pretty well respected by the metal community, which is, often enough, much more intimate than the mass audience that pop music appeals to.
I liked Quorthon’s music, I really did, but the fail here is that the OP thinks that just because Quorthon’s death was not as well-documented as Whitney Houston’s that she somehow deserves less acknowledgement for her death. Quorthon’s death had been well acknowledged among the metal community to which fans of Bathory belonged so why should it matter how many news sources reported his death? Why’s that so important? Many Quorthon fans *wouldn’t* want to hear about his death on the Today Show or see tributes on the front page of Entertainment Weekly, because he performed music targeting a *very* specific audience and wouldn’t want people who’ve never even heard of him or his band before jumping on a posthumous born-again fan bandwagon, finally paying recognition to an artist that was never heard on the radio/VH1/MTV or anywhere in mainstream media, really. I know I’d be slightly annoyed. Whitney Houston performed music for a more generalized audience, hence the media hysteria.
This is tantamount to Whitney Houston fans awagging their finger at metal fans for not mourning her death as much as they did Quorthon’s. TWO DIFFERENT AUDIENCES.
For what it’s worth, they were both great artists. I may not have enjoyed the style of music that Whitney Houston sang, but I did find her voice to be talented. “One Rode to Asa Bay” will always strike a chord within me, but this game of “MY FAVORITE DEAD MUSICIAN WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOURS A MORE UNIVERSALLY LIKED SINGER RECENTLY DIED SO I HAVE TO BRING UP HOW MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT OTHER ARTISTS ARE” is awful self-absorbed.
Oh no, someone died and it got more attention than someone else, time to be obnoxious on the internet!
Does anyone else find this just a tad smug?
Oh my, I’m far too clever to fawn over the death of Whitney don’t you know?
And here I was, thinking exactly the opposite….
These “metal”people r why i do not claim to be one even though i listen to it. The ignorance to think that all the so called metal-heads even come close in numbers to the amount of people whittney’s singing reached in pop charts proves metal-heads = some real dumb-a$s people.
For those with the low IQ. Its like saying my one million (metal charts) come close to your one billion (pop charts)
There r so few metal-heads no one gives a shiznet what u think. Viking that u blistering 65 IQ dirt-bags.
You have no right to comment on metalheads. My IQ’s actually around 165, and I love Bathory. I can just as easily say that all pop fans are 65 IQ dirt-bags, but I don’t . It’s foolish and immature. Grow up you childish prick
I hereby revoke your privilege to listen to what you consider metal. Which I suspect is the erroneously consider metal genre of metal core anyway.
If you’re going to insult the collective intelligence of any group of people, whether it be metalhead or not, be sure to spell as though you aren’t permanently brain-damaged, kthanxbai.
Pirate ALL the music!
THERE’S A MUSIC FAILBLOG?!!
Ummm… are you in some way, shape or form indicating that this Tomas person…which , incidentally, who the hell is this guy? There is a reason he is not as popular as her, nor will he ever be. His voice does not remind one of honey… no one even knows who this guy is. I will admit, she has not done a great deal of writing, however , she has done some writing including:
Queen of The Night – The Bodyguard
I Look To You
Additionally , you know you rock when people write songs specifically for you to sing them. Not everyone can write…. much like not everyone can sing. Just because you write songs does not make them good…. which I am wondering if this is possibly the reason Tomas is not well know…. #NowI’MJustSayin’
I Don’t care about either of them.
Some lice-infested metal junkie who supposedly had some effect on a genre of music about 6 people cared about.
A crack head who could hold a tune once upon a time.
Meh
You inconsiderate ass holes. The woman just died. Have a little more respect than that.
Guy, HE is dead too!
and somewhere i read “metal is dead”, so don’t flame it anymore x)
haha, funny ones!
…Extreme metal sucks though.
To you. To you, it does. Subjectivity is what makes the world go round, variety is the spice of life, etc.
So what all she could do was sing??? she had one of the best voices ever recorded, period. As a result she resonated with millions of people all over the world. i didn’t know there were other requirements to be met before fans and media should be allowed to reminisce. silly me …
Interesting arguments here and most points are quite valid, however, what it ultimately boils down to is, NOT your accomplishments or failures, or even how well you were liked or disliked, it’s how WELL KNOWN you were. The media will cover stories like this on people who are famous (or infamous) because that’s what they do. Of course there are individuals out there that deserve their moment in the sun, but not enough people know who they are. Period.
If the world were populated by sexually frustrated stoned 16 year old boys… and I suppose dudes that never recovered from that period… then Qourthon, his bar band voice, and mediocre abilities on a wide range of instruments would have sold more than 4 of his 14 albums.
Qourthon? Seriously?
Just sayin’.
Heavy metal fans, pshh. They think the world revolves around them. It’s time to grow up, kids.
What? Grow up and die at the bottom of a bath tub from an overdose? Yeah, that sounds mature. Keep your top 40 garbage to yourself, son.
Whitney: that golden, deep, and high pitch sound
Quorthon: rocker always make noisy “broken” sound
- just saying -
…what?
Incidentally, did anyone notice that she was 10 years older than him , drugged up …. and STILL looks better in the pictures than he does.
Flame wars in comment sections are funny. The “issue” is simple for me. I don’t care for Whitney Houston and I have no clue who that guy is, so this picture does nothing for me.
Except prompt you to comment…
I find it laughable that just because people have different tastes in music, it opens them up to ridicule. If a person likes a song or artist and you don’t share that opinion then that doesn’t give you the right to ridicule them. I find it funny that the reason most people give for not liking “mainstream” music is that “they don’t want to be seen as a sheep” This also leads me to the fact that some people will stop listening to bands they like because they have gained some popularity among others.
Metal is the most nerd thing on earth.
Whitney did improve the Dolly Parton Song.
“Innovated the metal genre in a profound way”
The only profound thing about that statement is the oxymoron it contains.
Anyone who thinks metal isn’t profound needs to actually read the lyrics of the older bands. And who the hell are you to say what “profound” is.
Agreed. Jaybelle is an ass troll.
I never heard of Forsberg, but that the U.S. media do make far too much of a celebrity’s death. The millions who would say they were “touched” or “inspired” by Houston are, with few exceptions, just as “touched” and “inspired” by any number of other artists. They may not admit it right now, but just wait until the next popular singer dies; they’ll go on and on about them exactly the same way. It’s silly to personally mourn someone who had no more personal of a relationship with you than with the rest of the public. Unless you personally knew Forsberg or Houston, there’s little reason to do more than listen to a few tracks, hoist a beverage of your choice, and move on.
he died years ago though
True artists will never be recognized.
Whitney Houston had a screechy, shrill, shrieking voice which I couldn’t stand. Other people enjoyed hearing her shriek. There’s no accounting for taste.
That’s all I know about her.
Whitney was the voice of a generation. Just because you didn’t like her music doesn’t mean that she wasn’t important in the music industry.
Voice of a generation? Really? No, no, no, no, no. Martin Luther King, Jr. was the voice of a generation. Malcolm X was the voice of a generation. Whitney Houston was a pop star. There is a very big difference between being the voice of a generation, and being famous
They meant MUSICALLY, but I have a feeling you knew that. You just wanted to sound smart, and failed.
MUSICALLY she wasn’t the voice of a generation either. The most popular music at the time she came out was actually the New Wave of British Metal (Maiden and Priest). So if you wan’t to take it that way THEY were the voice of that generation musically. The only reason that she made it so big is because she stuck around so long, but I would never call her the voice of a generation.
Yarr. Whitney Houston sucked, metal is good. Problem?
People get so mad when it comes to music.
Stop trying to make “fetch” happen. No one cares about your esoteric metal music, except other metal people. It’s just not relevant…sorry to have to be the one that broke this to you. Get over it. What I love about all of the metal supporters on this page, you come out like a lion but leave the room like a sheep. I hate people like that. Say what you have to say and own it. Whitney Houston is not at ALL arguably fabulous….. do you know why? Because she has had training and I am sorry, a majority of people can sing at least one Whitney song. Can your dirty, homeless looking hot mess metal guy say that?
“No one cares about your esoteric metal music, except other metal people.”
The same could be said for fans of any genre of music. Not everyone cares about country music, rap music, pop music, or the millions of other genres of music.
I *do* think that Whitney Houston deserves respect, because she was a human being, as well as someone’s mom/daughter/neice/whatever and she was valuable to her fans.
I understand why people are defending Whitney Houston, but countering the comparison made in the original post by undermining the significance of Quorthon’s death to his fans is sinking to the original poster’s level, except that the roles are reversed. That being said, the flamewar resulting from this post proves that *quite a few people* care about our esoteric metal than you think.
I think that, as a fan of Bathory, I have managed to empathize with both sides of the argument. It *is* a shame that Quorthon is no longer around to make more music, but that this is all over the OP getting butthurt over media coverage and believing that Whitney Houston somehow deserves to be memorialized by her fans less than Quorthon does, and I *don’t* find that fair. However, just because a few metal fans are entitled and ignorant doesn’t mean we all are, and yes, pointing out for the 800th time that post-1980′s metal is not popular for a reason and that “nobody cares about it but white trash” is equally ignorant. My favorite bands won’t ever be popular, and that’s OK, but to guage talent on popularity can just as easily be debunked.
That being said, I wonder how many people thinking that Whitney Houston’s death was somehow less tragic than Quorthon’s actually read the poster where it says he “battled addiction privately, with help from family and friends”. Do they think less of Quorthon for his former addiction, or is it just because you presumably died of it that makes you trash? People should think on that before saying “OH WELL WHITNEY HOUSTON BROUGHT IT ON HERSELF BUT QUORTHON DIDN’T”.
As for Whitney Houston and her imaginary PR hype? I haven’t seen her receive any positive publicity since AT LEAST my early childhood. I’m turning 24 now. I don’t know what publicity people are talking about, except for the media humiliating her the last several years she was alive.
I think the real difference here is that fans of other music genres, unlike fans of metal; do not arrogantly assume that they and their genre are above all others because of what they listen to. And I like Metal.
How many people have to die before – we. the American people change our archiac, ineffective, completely counter-productive drug laws? Great artists don’t care about the celebrity – it just, unfortunately comes w/ the territory.
As a person who absolute loves every type of music, I can say I don’t agree with this poster. First, music isn’t one type of genre. Different music conveys different feelings in different ways. R&B is a romantic and full of love as it is written and sung. Metal uses symbols and is somewhat angry. No one can say Houston’s music wasn’t influential and would be forgotten. She’s the reason some people write and sing and perform. Not to be famous and rich but to inspire. Same with Forsberg he gave some the want to learn the ins and outs of music. He had something special about him. The underlying symbols is one. Houston had a pure voice you can’t find just anywhere. They will be remembered in their own rights.
Famous people are famous, subby. Live with it or be forever resentful. Your choice.
Damn, your sister makes $82 and your neighbor’s pet rhino makes $74. I think you could sue that company for uneven wages dude.
Metal Ftw
You didn’t see a comparison like this when any other celebrity died. This is the first time I’ve seen something like this, and it pits a black woman against a white “Viking” man. Just sayin’.
Aren’t metal fans supposed to not care about what the media does or thinks?
Just sayin.
Not necessarially. Most of us just hate seeing any excessive coverage of any famous person, regardless of genre. When we turn on the news we want to see news.
“but there are twenty one shillings to every guinea.”
This is not an issue of musical taste, race, or the pollution that is the media. It’s just another dead junkie. “The wretch, concentered all in self, living shall forfeit fair renown, and doubly dying shall go down, from the vile dust from whence he sprung, unwept, unhonor’d, and unsung.”
All the talent and money in the world can’t cure chronic pathetic weakness.
Apples and oranges. She was a pop singer, he was a metal artist. He does not, hence, get the same cult following.
Gee, I guess no one felt impacted when he died. I guess his voice didn’t touch millions. I guess this post was retarded.
Before she died the media only had horrible things to say about her. As soon as she died everything was nicy nicy, “she was the most wonderful singer ever” , flags were even put at half staff! They were saying it was an unimaginable tragedy. No it wasn’t unimaginable it was very imaginable and I am surprised it didn’t happen sooner. 9-11 was an unimaginable tragedy. This was sad. Sad that she was never able to get the help she needed because to many people kiss celebrity a** and don’t want to offend them by telling them to get off the drugs and stop being stupid.
Never heard of the Forsberg…Must not have been as great as someone thinks…
lol!
Popularity does not equal talent. Beiber is popular, but he’s still a talentless hack.
Greatness is measured by body of work, and lasting effect: timelessness. Popularity does not define greatness, it never has; once in a while the two coincide, and we in the moment appreciate something so wonderful. Flash in the pan, one hit wonders, and all the other mediocrity we are told is brilliance makes us lose the ability to see real greatness.
Want to hear a woman with real talent? Go listen to Happy Rhodes.
They died. Get over it. Period.
every one of Kevin Costner’s movies is awesome coz he’s a badass actor , even with Whitney Houston in it , “Bodyguard” was very good . Don’t bash on good actors and good movies just coz u wanna bash on Whitney Houston for ur lil comparison …. jackass
Dude, too soon, she only just died. Just because you don’t like her work doesn’t mean you can say crap like this.
As if anyone can ‘innovate the metal genre in a profound way’. Metal is just an assortment of unlistenable noise for neckbeards in dragon t-shirts.
“Just saying” my ass. That’s like when people say “no offensive” after saying something incredibly offensive. You’re outright insulting her because you’re butthurt your idol didn’t get mentioned in any newspapers. What the hell does “innovated the metal genre in a profound way” mean? That’s extremely vague, what way would that be exactly? And you’re completely wrong the Whitney Houston not innovating anything. She was the first to use the big voice style of singing also used by Celine Dion and other singers that I hate just as much as Whitney Houston. I’m no fan of either genres, but that doesnt mean I have to insult people who don’t like Queen as much as I do.
HAILS QUORTHON!!!
Bathory sucked. Period.
Racists! We Respected Frank Sinatra, Amy Winehouse, Christopher Reeves, John Ritter, John Candy, Chris Farley, and so on! Haters!
Wtf? Racists? In what way is any of this stuff racist? And who the hell respected Amy Winehouse? Please get off the internet and stop acting like a troll. Just because a black person gets insulted, does not make it racist. It’s only racist if their being insulted for their race
Just like Steve Jobs & Dennis Richie.
popularity is not the consequence of talent …
Definately a fan of metal (love Megadeth, Sabbath, Dio, early Metallica, etc), however what a pointless comparison, Im sorry.
Just like the previous poster said, Quorthon appealed to a much more narrow audience. Those that appreciate his music and the legacy he left, do so.
Whitney Houston was a mainstream POP star…just like MJ was, and reached to more of the population. Personally I thought she had an incredible voice. However with regards to talents, that is about it. Quorthon (and many others who are rarely mentioned) may have been multi talented, but this shouldnt turn into a competition. Two different people, different styles of music, different fan bases. True fans of Quorthon (and that genre) shouldnt feel offended by the lack of media attention.
You could pull same argument for when Ronnie James Dio passed away. Not much media attention, though he was an incredible frontman, with an incredible and powerful rock voice as well.
No matter how mainstream metal seems to be, it doesnt appeal to the same number of of fans that mainstream, top 40, pop music does……(few exceptions always exist…metallica for one). Though that doesnt mean there arent enough metal fans out there…there are plenty of us, and metal musicians dont need the media to garner attention.
Dean Martin had more talent than both of them.
He should have hired a publicist, got an image consultant, and a good PR firm. Perhaps that had something to do with his failure. She still is a diva, an icon and is famous, why you mad? Whitney had more talent in her left thumb than the majority of people on here, with awards, accolades, and sales to prove it……….why you so mad?
Everyone’s entitled to an opinion, just don’t try and make it look like your opinion is better than everyone else’s.
I can’t believe that anyone could be this disrespectful. Whitney Houston has one of the most beautiful and talented voices God ever created. Song writing and instruments weren’t her talent, her voice was.
Shame on you for printing this so soon after her passing. Very disrespectful.
And many people still listen to Whitney. I’m one of them. Best voice ever.
Do you like amercan music
I like american music
Don’t you like american music baby
I want you to hold me
I want your arms around me
I want you to hold me baby
Did you do too many drugs
I did too many drugs
Did you do too many drugs too baby
Ah. So this is what gets me to stop visiting this site, huh? Houston’s talent was immense and she was brilliant. You guys have no idea what you’re talking about. You should think twice before posting bs, unless you want others to stop visiting your site.
Houston was a singer who had other’s write her songs for her. She was, in essence, no different than a guitar or a piano, an instrument. People wrote words for her, and she sang them. Go to the opera or any classical show and you see much more talent than Ms. Houston could ever hope for
But could they cover the U.S. national anthem the way she did.
Also don’t Opoera singers do exactly what you said she did. Sing songs that were written for them to sing as human instruments?
Yes, they do sing songs that others write for them, and yes they can cover the U.S. national anthem in the way she did, most likely in English, French, German, and Italian. I never said that Opera singers wrote their own music, I just said they have more talent. Please don’t be a troll, you aren’t very good at it.
So…. this picture showed how much better of a singer Whitney is.
That all she needs is sing to beat that other guy……..
Here’s a tip: go make some good music.
(I am not saying metal is bad, but if it’s good enough, you will get the same treatment as Whitney)
Wow you all just turned this into a racist thing . I dont know who this heavy metal guy is . but i will tell you this, Junky houston and junky jackson and every other junky that has died from drugs and were famous are not a roll model of my or my kids . It makes me sick that we would fly our flag at half mass for this junky but not our troops that have died in the last 2 wars Our flag should be flying half mass every day for every solder that has die which will be a long time for the number of dead is close to 5000 .I dont agree with these wars but I sure do care about the women and men that have died for me.Its kind of like the parade for the giants but not our troops . And god knows I love football . But Why are we ass backwards Why . Well because of people like you all. So I could care less about junky houston or junky jackson and all the others like Elvis , Jim M and Jim H. You all just need to get your head out of your ass please do yourself this favor.
who is he?
You forgot to add that she actually sounds good when she sings. He plays Metal…
i agree
because metals shit thats why. cant think of anything worse than being part of a culture full of long, greasy haired loners who wear nothing but black.
what if they both sucked?
how the hell is Whitney Huston…. i have never heard about her before her death…and i also never head of this guy
Don’t forget that Whitney also messed up her daughter’s life pretty bad.
Who?
you forgot to add that most people don’t listen to metal at all. if they do they are probably going to hate the kind of music Whitney Houston makes. I’m not dissing metal or or Forsburg. he was a great musician, but it annoys me when people make post like this. they both did great things, Whitney’s voice was amazing and she didn’t have to try to sound amazing, and Forsburg was a amazing influence and released great albums. both part of the music world and both equally great.
These Whitney Houston comparisons are retarded. She obviously had talent, and appealed to millions based on album sales. This is not even opinion, that is fact. Nobody did this for Amy Whinehouse. And Heath Ledger basically become overrated the day he died from using drugs. But as soon as Whitney Houston dies, it’s a problem? She’s like one R&B singer, compared to dozens, if not hundreds of “rock” musicians that off themselves in similar fashion. But like they say, success=hate. She was clearly more successful than this dude, sure he did some stuff but I have no idea who he is. And I’d be willing to bet that alot of metal fans wouldn’t even no who he is either. First it was the troop comparisons, and now people are comparison drug addicts to each other. Why?
Hey everyone…get a life. You’ve created nothing. You’ve changed nothing.
i find this difficult to care about, not because i lack human understanding, but the impact she had on my life was….low to say the least.
i don’t feel good or bad one way or the other. in my opinion she’s just another death statistic.
unfortunate, maybe. but the event has happened and couldn’t have happened any other way.
i was actually more shocked to hear the fraudulent report of Keanu Reeves’ death.
the internets, i have a love/hate relationship with it.
Let me just say this is just awful. You can’t compare two people’s death! Also, Whitney’s part is so inaccurate. She did write some of her songs and co wrote some of her more popular ones. she also produced some of her biggest hits. She battled her drug addiction in a public way because the media forced her too. She did not and i repeat did not want to do it in a public way! Also she did not innovate anything? Um whitney houston was the first African American woman to successively cross over into pop music. Also note that nobody wanted her to star in the Bodyguard. It was kevin’s decision. Either way she was an artist she did more than just sing a song she made you feel it. She could take any song and make you feel it. I love how people criticize an artist who they don’t even listen to and compare them to somebody they listen to. It’s a shame really because there is so much good music out there. I listen to every genre and appreciate every musician. If tomas was not a megastar around the world as whitney was then why would you expect him to be in headlines? Whitney made headlines cause she was known around the world. There is a difference. Anyways she is dead now and can’t defend herself so leave her alone.
Maybe because nooone knew who the frikkin hippy was?
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Whitney Houston is dead, who cares.
Ah Metal… Everyone has there on preference of music and morn them in their own way when they pass… Just like you don’t care Whitney is dead… I don’t care that what’s-his-name is dead… **shrugs** and life goes on.
*mourn
metal is stoopid
Gee, was Whitney Houston a singer? I thought she just warbled a lot & appeared in a crap movie with the guy from that other crap movie ‘Water-world’ (isn’t that on the Gold Coast, Queensland?)!
pop = popular music.