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I don’t get how weed is supposed to lead to harder drugs like heroin when their effects have very little in common? Alcohol has more similarities with heroin than weed does. It is more plausible to say that coffee leads to meth – at least they both act as stimulants.
Not sure if it’s a “gateway drug”, but as someone whose friend committed suicide after a marijuana-induced psychotic episode, I can assure you it is NOT safe!
I agree, I have friends and family members who smoke weed, and you can not tell me that it’s not addictive, nor is it not a gateway drug. Not only that, it has social effects, and psychological effects. It always seems the pot heads are the ones that tell me it’s not addictive.
Of course it is not safe. On the other hand, what is? Some people get addicted to anything. I know people who drink a shipload of extra strong coffee daily for years – to the point when they cannot function without it. Some people get addicted to TV – so when they are separated from the flickering box they almost suffer physical pain. I’m not kidding – these exist. Addiction is a complex phenomena, and it has more to do with the person in question than the object of addiction. Even the most addictive psychoactive substance known to man – nicotine – hooks up only about 35% of those who tried it.
…a complex phenomenon*
“marijuana-induced psychotic episode”
I have been smokin a lot of pot for a lot of years, and I can assure you, there is no such thing. the closest you’re going to come to an actual psychotic episode caused by marijuana is a 3 hour laughing fit in which you think you’re going to die because your chest hurts so bad and you cant breath, because your laughing so hard. you also find this situation itself to be hysterical. “marijuana-induced psychotic episode” my foot.
Considering that my sister had a psychotic breakdown after smoking too much weed for months… yeah. Weed affects everyone differently, hell I still smoke it frequently with little ill effects. Doesn’t mean it’s harmless, not by a long shot. Much like how I have no problem eating peanut butter, but if my friend gets even a whiff he could die. As growers breed strains with more THC, it decreases the amount of another chemical (can’t remember the name of it right now) that helps even out the high, which is one of the leading causes of youth schizophrenia today.
This is a pile of BS, there was an ancient burial site dug up from several thousand years ago with weed in it which tested just as high for THC as the best stuff around today.
Also, your sister was either already mentally unstable or the pot was contaminated with one of several varieties of mold which DO cause psychotic episodes when taken long term. Again we see the dangers of pot are primarily caused by the stuff being illegal and thus manufactured with no quality controls.
There’s also a chance whoever was selling it to her was lacing it or cross-contaminating it with PCP, ‘magic mushrooms’, or any other of a wide variety of illegal substances.
And just for the record, I don’t smoke the stuff and never have. I’m just not interested, and I rarely take any drugs at all unless it’s a prescription to treat a medical condition.
My sister had no symptoms of any mental health problems, and we have no previous family history of mental instability. Although she was in intense pain due to an accident, which could have had something to do with the episode. Like I said, I smoke it myself and fully support legalization to help regulate what can and can’t go in it
By the way, THC degrades in a matter of months (a few years if it’s not exposed to any sunlight and is vacuum packed and frozen) so that “several thousand year old dig site” crap is complete BS.
Can have their number and be their friend since you’re not
Uh,,, Michael, I assure you, your friend was psychotic long before weed showed up.
If a sober person commits suicide, is sobriety to blame?
Studies show that about 0.9% of those who used LSD committed suicide. About the same percent of the population has latent schizophrenia. What does it prove? If you are mentally unstable, don’t do any drugs – not psychedelics, not stimulants, not weed, not alcohol – any of these can worsen your condition. On the other hand, if the mental instability is left untreated this will happen on its own sooner or later, drugs just speed up the inevitable.
“If a sober person commits suicide, is sobriety to blame?”
What a stupid comment.
Here’s why.
So someone is shot with a gun. But your logic says: “If someone who wasn’t shot dies, is the lack of bullets to blame?”
Clearly, people die for reasons other than being shot. This does not mean that being shot may not kill them. People commit suicide without using drugs. In no way does this mean that using drugs may not lead them to commit suicide.
Just because things happen for other reasons than the one being examined does not mean that that reason is invalid as far as bringing about the end results.
You are confusing association with causation. It is a common logical fallacy – if two things happen one after another, than the first one caused the second one. This is not always the case. If a person ate a muffin and got hit by a truck later that day, can we draw conclusions? The fact is that some people are suicidal. Will a normal healthy person commit suicide after smoking pot? Statistics do not show that. Would this person have lived if he didn’t use pot, or would he still commit suicide several days later? We cannot speculate on that as there is no way to know. What we know is that if THC was indeed a cause of suicides for many people we would already hear about it. It is the most widely used illicit drug on the planet and still there is no suicide epidemic among its users.
Confusing association with causation is a dangerous fallacy – it can lead to cargo cult.
“Confusing association with causation is a dangerous fallacy – it can lead to cargo cult.”
That too. It leads to lots of things, none of them good. Some statistical tests exist just to determine causation. Without a test, it’s just a coincidence… There’s more than enough statistics to tell the danger of alcohol and tobacco, not so many about marijuana (at least not about how it induces car crashes, tumours or passing out in the bathtub).
Blaster999′s comment is not stupid. The person has very accurately pointed out that cause and effect is not clear cut in this case.
Is the person in question psychotic because they are smoking pot or are they smoking pot because they are psychotic?
Was smoking pot a bad choice for this person, obviously. They either knowingly made a bad choice or had very bad luck.
I, sadly, knew a young man that was diabetic and died after ingesting a massive amount of sugary food. Was he trying to commit suicide using food as a tool? Was he simply trying to drown his sorrows in sweets because he was depressed? If so, was he fully aware of what a dangerous game he was playing? Hard to know, but the point is that saying food is to blame is too simple and highly inaccurate.
Marijuana ranges from being a wonderful plant (think hemp rope and glaucoma/anti-nausea treatment) to being an awful drug (addiction, lethargy and lung cancer).
There are very few things that are inherently good or bad, but rather become one or the other or a combination of both based on context.
TOBACCO causes lung cancer and thats only when it’s mixed with all those chems by the cig compaines
No. The carcinogens are in the tobacco, and more are created when it’s burnt. Granted, added chemicals make it a lot worse, but don’t fool yourself into thinking pure tobacco is carcinogen free… it’s not.
However, it needs to be put into perspective. You get far more of the same substances in your lungs when you stand next to a busy road (or drive on one) for an hour than smoking tobacco will give you in a month.
As for 2nd hand smoke, the only studies which have ever shown any dangers are only when you spend a long amount of time exposed to it **in a non-ventilated environment**. Studies of 2nd hand smoke exposure in enclosed spaces with adequate ventilation and/or air scrubbers have shown no increased risks or rates of cancer, etc.
The jury is still out on marijuana and lung cancer…You can find conflicting reports from very respectable groups.
Inhaling any kind of smoke is damaging to the lungs. But by and large marijuana pales in comparison to the perfectly legal option of smoking cigarettes. And this issue can be easily addressed by using marijuana in a non-smokable form.
The sad part is that we are a species of placing blame…let’s look for something to blame instead of taking responsibility for our own actions.
And let’s not forget that if you live in the USA, making drugs illegal is only a part of our recent history, goes directly against the constitution and has proven about as successful as prohibition.
If someone has a family history of psychological problems then they should consider the risks of trying a substance that might bring on issues that they have a genetic predisposition for. However for the normal person, Cannabis will not bring on such effect and will be safe. However, if the previous post was a troll, +1 to you
My mum and dad used to do Marijuana and there just fine, Im sad about your friend but he was sucidal before the Marijuana and your just one of those nut jobs that think that Marijuana is dangerous. The only thing Marijuana can lead to is obesity and alot of people are already fat. Your just putting all the blame on Marijuana when it has done nothing wrong at all you dumb*** so on the behath of the high court of the internetz I have great plesaure in informing you to STFU, GTFO and take your fail with you, Sincerly Mr Charizard, fully evoled starter pokemon and King of the internetz
Marijuana is being bred to have stronger and stronger effects on brain activity in order to compete with the surge of hard drugs such as crack and crystal meth. Obviously, it was weaker back in the day that your parents smoked it. Ask ANY person over 40 who smoked it or still smokes it, and they will tell you without a doubt that it is much stronger today.
Urban legend.
There are strains that are better, yes, but overall it’s the same.
My father smoked it back in the 60s & 70s. He says there doesn’t seem to be a difference.
Hell, most over-40s I know say that today’s marijuana is WEAKER than what they had… the common stuff, anyway. I’m sure there are strains out there that have higher THC concentrations.
Also, there is no evidence that marijuana causes psychotic episodes in people who don’t have some special condition that causes a unique reaction. Considering THC’s depressant qualities, a “psychotic episode” is actually very unlikely.
“Marijuana is being bred to have stronger and stronger effects on brain activity in order to compete with the surge of hard drugs such as crack and crystal meth.”
fail,
its being breed to taste better, smell better, and yes with some strains having higher content. but the reason they are being breed stronger is so that one can smoke very little and still achieve and good lasting high without having to ingest larger quantities, and less smoked means less carcinogens in the lungs and throat. so if anything stronger pot is HEALTHIER than weak stuff.
Also, no I’m not an anti-weed activist. I smoke it myself, but I know that moderation is important, and anyone who says it’s “harmless” is a complete idiot.
Sorry for your friend, but if that’s the measure of the danger of a drug, alcohol and tobacco cause millions of deaths per year, including the deaths of people who were only around drinkers and smokers. The level of danger of marijuana compared to either tobacco or alcohol is proportionately peanuts. You know 1 person who died because of marijuana, but nearly everybody (over the age of 30) knows at least one person who died because of alcohol (including alcohol-induced car crashes) AND one person who died because of tobacco (I can think of a couple of each). And I’m not even counting superstars who died because of them. Whitney Houston, just to name the latest.
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Sugar = gateway drug to caffeine
Caffeine = gateway drug to tobacco
Tobacco = gateway drug to marijuana
CRIMINALIZE SUGAR!!
Stupidity – Idiocy – Moronity – Livin’ Legend
Criminalize Stupidity!!!
Now there’s an intelligent response. Yes, that is sarcasm. Turning sarcasm off: You’re a rude, judgmental, ignorant prick who has no business giving input on what someone can or can’t put into their body.
Your response below, while more politely worded, is just as ignorant. You make the erroneous assumption that the choice of drug is relevant to these examples of “gateway drugs” you’ve allegedly seen. These people, like Michael’s suicidal friend, most likely had underlying psychological problems to begin with. In other words, they already have an addictive personality. Whatever they happen to fixate on, they overindulge.
I’ve never seen a single one of these “gateway drug” types. I’ve seen plenty who indulge quite often with no adverse effects, mental or otherwise.
And as a final point: Not a “ganjafreak”. Never had it, have no desire for it. So you can add that to your list of points that are simply wrong.
So go ahead and take your hostile straight-edge attitude and preach it elsewhere. But maybe learn a little class, tact, and valid points to your repertoire while you’re at it.
A rational and logical response….clearly you are new to the Internet
^ This.
I’d like to add: Physical addiction to marijuana is non-existent. Psychological addiction occurs only in people with “addictive personalities,” that is, they become psychologically addicted to things because of their own psychology, not because of the chemicals. These same people become addicted to ideas, objects, hobbies (see: hoarders), etc.
The primary dangers of marijuana are lung cancer (if smoked), lethargy, and weight gain due to lack of exercise & overeating.
The concept of marijuana being a “gateway drug” has been long debunked. The overwhelming majority of people who use it never go on to any other drug. At most, they smoke and/or drink, but those are unrelated & often came before the marijuana use.
TL;DR – Livin’ Legend is actually making sense, Dagger is a tool, pot is no more dangerous than alcohol.
Dear internet,
A single data point is not proof of anything. If you say, I know a guy who killed himself after smoking marijuana, that is a bummer. But it is not proof that there is an overarching trend.
Thanks for your time.
Sugar Pants, that is the one data point that made it here. How many are out there that never read / post to / have heard of the Cheezburger Network?
I have seen the deleterious effects Marijuana can have on a person. I have seen the damage it does to families, employment, etc. It is a gateway drug. I have seen it lead to worse drugs as the user keeps trying to attain the initial high. And I have to agree with Ohsnap, it seems the ganjafreaks are the ones who want to legalize it. One wonders why.
Out of all people I know that have used marijuana one already had phychological problems and is being treated for it. One other had aa attack of paranoia. That’s 2 people out of around 50 that I know have used marijuana in the past. Furthermore only 4 of those have used harddrugs. Marijuana is not a gateway drug.
If your not stable in your own life, then you are completely correct. However you have to realize that many people are stable in their situation in life and will not devolve in this manner. This sort of devolution can happen to anyone given the right circumstances.
There is a horrible trend in this world of people creating bad laws, based on emotional reactions. I’m sorry that you have seen peoples lives in ruin due to Marijuana. I have seen other peoples lives in ruins due to terribly over reactive Marijuana laws. I am more than willing to stand behind our current Marijuana laws when I see proof that they do more good than harm, but all I see from the people who want to continue the current trend are singular sad stories of Marijuana causing someone harm. Where as all the large scale trend data seems to show that Marijuana is relativity harmless, with the current laws being based on 1930′s fear mongering.
you know what the real gateway is? prohibition. once someone has agreed with themselves that they will try an illegal substance (marijuana) and they do and see he this not bad, good times, no hangover like alcohol, and they all said this was the worst poison in the world that must have been a lie, they must have been lying about ALL the drugs.
if marijuana was legal and, people were educated about its ACTUAL harms and not its fear monger false claims, and it wasn’t lumped into a legal category worse than meth, then how many hard drugs addicts could have been saved.hard drugs are way worse the weed so why are they legally the same?
Its also a gateway to not getting the laundry done @mywife
Considering the obesity problem in America, maybe French fries and Frosties are the REAL drugs.
Perhaps nobody understands the concept of gateway drug. It does not mean that using marijuana instantly makes you on the waiting list to be a coke addict, many and probably most people stop there. However, how many people in the history of drugs ever say that that they started with the hard stuff. The first time they got high it almost without fail was pot, its a simple correlation. If they never try it, theres a trong possibiblity things wont have the chance to escalate.
>If they never try it, theres a trong possibiblity things wont have the chance to escalate.
How can you possibly know that? To my mind, alcohol is the #1 gateway drug – all of the junkies I’ve heard of started with it. And what about coffee? Find a single junkie that never tried coffee prior to harder drugs? BTW, in 17th century Turkey coffee was a forbidden drug – so forbidden that you could be put to death just for possession of it.
Coffee doesn’t get you high…
O rly? I am an ex-caffeine addict. I was abusing coffee for years, drinking cup after cup. And going to a date w/o first drinking a couple cans of the strongest energy drink was out of the question. I even bought caffeine pills and added them to my coffee because I had a high tolerance by then. I even once held a caffeine pill under my tongue so it could enter my bloodstream faster – even though the taste was awful. Even this weak-ass drug (compared to “real” stims – like amphetamine or cokaine) can make you addicted. And it definitely makes you “high” – although it’s a whole different kind of high, nothing like marijuana.
here is a idea instead of everyone blaming everything else if you smoke weed take responsibility, it is the persons choice to do it, the drugs do not force themselves upon the people, it is when the person themselves lose control of thier habit is when it becomes a problem, so instead of blaming weed, or caffiene, r sugar (lol) blame the individual.
Advertising for Wendy’s…not sure they wan’t this particular publicity, but it could increase late-night revenue.
That joke was ripped off from Half Baked…
Was going to say “Inb4 the militant stoners who take their hobby way too seriously” but I see that they already showed up. Oops.
Stoners are so easy to troll sometimes.
Well, what do you expect? They are already treated as second-class citizens, threatened with jail, and have to cope with mindless people brainwashed by the propaganda. The only place they can express their views freely is the internet – and even here they have to read the same old “gateway” crap. Of course they are militant.
And no, I am not a stoner (poisoning my lungs with smoke of any kind seems so unnatural to me that no euphoria is worth it), I just feel that anyone should be allowed to intoxicate him/herself with any substance as long as innocent bystanders are not hurt. The only thing I’m addicted to is piracetam – it’s a hell of a (smart) drug. I’ve been using it for a year so far and do not intend to stop. So call me a militant nootropic junkie
The poor stoners.
If it bothers them that much that they are threatened with jail, perhaps they should either stop doing it or be more discreet about it.
I don’t find marijuana more dangerous than any legal substance, nor am I “brainwashed” by either side of the argument, if that’s what you’re suggesting. By the way, yes, there is a bunch of propaganda coming from both sides. Quite frankly, I’d rather it be legal so that people can shut up about it.
I’ve smoked weed once and I felt none of the so-called “positive” effects I was supposed to feel. It gave me a headache and it made me drool all over the place. I’m not morally opposed to it (nor am I to anything that doesn’t harm anyone else), but I don’t understand the hype. Legalize marijuana? Cool, but it won’t really bear any effect on my life at all. I don’t like the stuff.
Weed is no gateway drug. Alcohol is a gateway-drug though. Everybody i know who smokes pot started with alcohol. Every meth addict i know started with alcohol. dont blame the blunt!
Alcohol is not a gateway drug for weed or meth – it is just the most common strong drug, so everyone starts with it. It can be a gateway drug for benzos, barbs and GHB due to the similarities in the effects. Marijuana can be somewhat considered a gateway drug for psychedelics like LSD (it has some weak hallucinogenic properties), but this doesn’t happen too often.
I love how people say pot isn’t a gate way drug. It is. It may not be for many people but right now we are living the nightmare of what pot can lead to. My little sister is a homeless heroin addict. She lost her kids, one is now residing with me, her home was burned down by addicts, she’s been in and out of jail and she O.D. last week. Again. You can ask her and she will be brutally honest with you. She started smoking pot at 12 and that lead her to wanting to try other drugs. She used meth, coke, pops any pill she can get her hands on and is now a heroin addict. Not everyone who drinks will be an alcoholic. Not everyone who smokes pot will be an addict. But for those who may have “addictive tendencys” pot can and will be a gate way drug.
Sorry to hear about your sister, but let’s be honest: do you seriously think she would not try other drugs if she didn’t try marijuana?
yea well beanie baby’s are addictive and the mcdonalds teanie beanie baby’s were a gateway to many a hoarders. you lil sis has a problem or two. rehad is the only answer there and if she goes back to the junk after shes clean then sorry she brought it on herself. the needle didn’t pin her to the floor and rape her arm vein, its her choose
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Weeds addictive just like everything else. and a gateway drug to those who already have a problem with drugs. to a recovering heroin addict, weed is a gateway back. just because they cant stop at weed anymore.