For example, a lot of basic Calculus problems are better solved using Algebra. But trying to teach the Calc using a complex problem is often too difficult. The problem is the students will use what they learned and apply Algebra, then learn nothing of the Calc.
The issue isn’t so much a matter of learning too much, but the coordination of what is learned at which point. Which is what the submission is trying to illustrate.
Well the one I remember my high school calc teacher getting mad about was when we started using vector math to solve all his problems. Honestly I don’t remember what he was trying to teach specifically. I think he was trying to teach the Differential Equation, it was the second or third day of class.
Happened to my nephew in first grade. He was reading chapter books before they were reading them in class, therefore in was “inappropriate.” His parents promptly removed him from that school.
In preschool one day when I went to pick my son up I heard a teacher tell the kids the sun is not a star. I knew she meant the shape, but still.!… so when I picked my son up I told him that the sun is a star, and what the teacher meant was that most people draw it like a circle and not a star, and that the reason it looks different than other stars it’s because it’s closer.
I knew some day he’d know that anyway, but it seemed so wrong at the time…..kids having to unlearn stupid things even before Kindergarten just seems so wrong.
Had a physics teacher in high school who knew all of us were concurrently learning calculus in another class. He thought this meant we knew calculus. It was hard to make him comprehend why we didn’t yet.
It’s not hard… our physics teacher asked us if we had already covered calculus in maths, we hadn’t. He then proceeded to give us a 30 minute crash-course which was completely sufficient for to be able to use calculus in physics.
What’s your problem? If these events occur, you now know what you don’t know. It should be in your textbooks, the library, or the internet. If you waited for everything to told to you in nice neat lessons for your whole life, now that would be a FAIL.
Why bother to go to school at all? Just look it up on the internet. Sometimes, though, in order to understand X, you need a good grounding in Y. By the time you look up & teach yourself Y, you’ve fallen behind in learning X. In the meantime, the teacher has moved on to Z & you’re hopelessly lost.
In university you can’t understand Prof Derp because he barely speaks your language, so you skip his lectures and read a book on algebra instead. You will only need 1/2 the time of the lecture to cover just as much ground and you will have understood more
This happened a lot in History classes when I was coming up. Combined Middle School, High School, and College, I took 4 courses that should have taught post WW2 history. None of them did. At all. Apparently they all assumed that someone else would cover that part, so none of them did.
(And we wonder why so many of my generation is ignorant of history from that time period.)
Oh look, more faked “fails” by crapblog. Long ago, Failblog became great by posting hilarious videos of people doing dumb stuff, hurting themselves, in essence, ‘failing’. Now it has become one of the lamest sites around, having to resort to making up cartoons and faked iPhone sms messages. I get that all you tools like it, but I see that failblog has died a miserable whimpering death. Shame on you, failblog, shame.
This happened to me.
Teacher in grade 2: “I’m not going to teach you how to tell time, you learn that next year.”
Teacher in grade 3: “I’m not going to teach you how to tell time, you were supposed to have learned that last year.”
This is why you speak up if they are about to skip something you dont know instead of missing out and possibly failing at the class due to the lack of what the teacher assumed was just basic knowledge for you. If you tell the teacher you dont understand they WILL make an effort to make sure you know the basics or refer you to a tutor, or even pair you with another student that can help you.
Its nothing to be ashamed of, but if you skip learning something out of shame you only will shame yourself later when people will assume you’re just an idiot that didnt bother to learn.
they WILL make an effort to make sure you know the basics
No they won’t. They’ll just reiterate that you should have learned it, imply you’re lying about the previous teacher not teaching it, and move on anyway.
My favorite one from a teacher is being told that you were taught too much in the previous years, as if learning is actually a bad thing.
I’ve never experienced nor heard of anything like what you say here. At what sort of school were you told such a non-sense?
It happens a lot in math.
For example, a lot of basic Calculus problems are better solved using Algebra. But trying to teach the Calc using a complex problem is often too difficult. The problem is the students will use what they learned and apply Algebra, then learn nothing of the Calc.
The issue isn’t so much a matter of learning too much, but the coordination of what is learned at which point. Which is what the submission is trying to illustrate.
Thank you for nice explanation.
I don’t understand what kind of calc can be done with algebra….
Unless it’s super simple, like definate integral of a line?
Definate?
Well, I guess that does proves you’re into math.
Well, I guess that “does proves” you’re not an English major.
Well the one I remember my high school calc teacher getting mad about was when we started using vector math to solve all his problems. Honestly I don’t remember what he was trying to teach specifically. I think he was trying to teach the Differential Equation, it was the second or third day of class.
The same one where they taught you that nonsense had a hyphen in it.
Oh, shut up.
Happened to my nephew in first grade. He was reading chapter books before they were reading them in class, therefore in was “inappropriate.” His parents promptly removed him from that school.
i got yelled at because i knew about abbreviations, she literally said “there are no such thing as abbreviations” way back in elementary school.
In preschool one day when I went to pick my son up I heard a teacher tell the kids the sun is not a star. I knew she meant the shape, but still.!… so when I picked my son up I told him that the sun is a star, and what the teacher meant was that most people draw it like a circle and not a star, and that the reason it looks different than other stars it’s because it’s closer.
I knew some day he’d know that anyway, but it seemed so wrong at the time…..kids having to unlearn stupid things even before Kindergarten just seems so wrong.
This happens in physics. Regarding the same class, however, and only a month of difference.
Should be on Comixed, or Rage Comics…
Seriously.
I would go Demotivational.
Especially since it’s back to school this week Downunder after the summer break.
LOL soo true
storey of my highschool years.
The first one looks like geography or history, and the second one looks like math….
And that kids is the foundation of the modern education system…
Had a physics teacher in high school who knew all of us were concurrently learning calculus in another class. He thought this meant we knew calculus. It was hard to make him comprehend why we didn’t yet.
It’s not hard… our physics teacher asked us if we had already covered calculus in maths, we hadn’t. He then proceeded to give us a 30 minute crash-course which was completely sufficient for to be able to use calculus in physics.
What’s your problem? If these events occur, you now know what you don’t know. It should be in your textbooks, the library, or the internet. If you waited for everything to told to you in nice neat lessons for your whole life, now that would be a FAIL.
Why bother to go to school at all? Just look it up on the internet. Sometimes, though, in order to understand X, you need a good grounding in Y. By the time you look up & teach yourself Y, you’ve fallen behind in learning X. In the meantime, the teacher has moved on to Z & you’re hopelessly lost.
In university you can’t understand Prof Derp because he barely speaks your language, so you skip his lectures and read a book on algebra instead. You will only need 1/2 the time of the lecture to cover just as much ground and you will have understood more
This happened a lot in History classes when I was coming up. Combined Middle School, High School, and College, I took 4 courses that should have taught post WW2 history. None of them did. At all. Apparently they all assumed that someone else would cover that part, so none of them did.
(And we wonder why so many of my generation is ignorant of history from that time period.)
it’s fine, they’re two totally different subjects. what’s wrong with it?
Oh look, more faked “fails” by crapblog. Long ago, Failblog became great by posting hilarious videos of people doing dumb stuff, hurting themselves, in essence, ‘failing’. Now it has become one of the lamest sites around, having to resort to making up cartoons and faked iPhone sms messages. I get that all you tools like it, but I see that failblog has died a miserable whimpering death. Shame on you, failblog, shame.
Oh yeah, I also remember when fail blog used to have fails. Aaah. Those were the days. Perhaps this is meta-humor? Failblog failing at posting fails?
This happened to me.
Teacher in grade 2: “I’m not going to teach you how to tell time, you learn that next year.”
Teacher in grade 3: “I’m not going to teach you how to tell time, you were supposed to have learned that last year.”
This is why you speak up if they are about to skip something you dont know instead of missing out and possibly failing at the class due to the lack of what the teacher assumed was just basic knowledge for you. If you tell the teacher you dont understand they WILL make an effort to make sure you know the basics or refer you to a tutor, or even pair you with another student that can help you.
Its nothing to be ashamed of, but if you skip learning something out of shame you only will shame yourself later when people will assume you’re just an idiot that didnt bother to learn.
they WILL make an effort to make sure you know the basics
No they won’t. They’ll just reiterate that you should have learned it, imply you’re lying about the previous teacher not teaching it, and move on anyway.
This happened ALL THE TIME and especially in math and science.
Like FL Pastor said, no one should be surprised that nobody knows anything when they insist on skipping huge chunks of the curriculum.
This never happened to me. My grade teachers basically retaught everything from the last grade so no one forgets.