I listened to some speakers from the 1983 Psychedelics and Spirituality Convention, and Terence McKenna so elegantly put it, “It’s my belief that one of the unconscious reasons which underlies the odd attitude of the establishment toward hallucinogens is the fact that they bring the mystery to the surface as an individual experience. In other words, you do not understand the psychedelic experience by getting a report from Time Magazine or even the Economist; you only understand the psychedelic experience by having it, and therefor, to understand it is to embark on a course of action of self-education outside the context of your culture, because your culture has no answers about what this thing might be.
Don’t worry, if you’ve got an unnatural fear of new experiences, you can still undergo a journey of self-education by listening to the podcast yourself: http://www.matrixmasters.net/salon/?p=126
When was the last time you were assaulted or accosted by a pothead or someone tripping on acid or someone rolling on E? Danger to themselves, sure, but to others?
Heroin addicts are useless. Which pretty much leaves crackheads and meth heads as more than likely a danger to others… and even then I’m still assuming.
Meanwhile, I have been threatened with physical harm, on more than one occasion, without any provocation, by drunk people. I have had a drunk driver in a truck try to rear-end me, then subsequently run me off the road (because a Mazda Protege can’t outrun an old Ford or Chevy truck). Then they stopped and got out of their drunk to try to fight me because in their drunker stupor, actually believed I did something wrong to them. Drunk people cause more danger to others. Druggies tend to keep to themselves, if they even leave the house.
Nah, old people and soccer moms are a danger, but they’re not an immediate or obvious danger. That’s why drunks are pulled over and arrested, whereas the elderly are not.
But that’s the whole point. Drunks get arrested, not because they are drunks, but because the drive drunk. People on LSD get arrested even if they don’t drive or pose any immediate danger to themselves or others. I don’t understand the double standards in society. Explain to me, how is posession of drugs any different from posession of alcohol?
Alcohol is a drug. Alcohol does more damage to society than LSD ever has. Alcohol does more physical damage to a person’s body than LSD does.
People shouldn’t go to jail for using drugs. Using drugs doesn’t make someone a criminal. They may be sick, but they’re not criminals.
I’ll quote Bill Hicks:
“My life is infinitely better since I stopped using drugs, but my life would be infinitely worse if I’d ever been arrested for it.”
There is an old documentary on the government trying LSD on soldiers, the soldiers stripped down and started climbing trees to look at a birds nest…
But really any drug can be a danger to certian people, some may be able to handle LSD but I think the fear is that the schizophrenic guy who hears voices will take LSD and be convinced the evil monkies in his head want him to go on a killing rampage.
Also the fact that LSD slowly messes you up mentally, but any drug does that, weed, and alcohal do, so it will always be illegal because the government is trying to baby people like we’re all children, they dont get that some people dont want to face reality or live in monotony all their life.
I believe it is a persons choice to take mind damaging substances, as long as they dont pressure others or hurt others, its their life. BUT I also approve of peoples choice to suicide and think hospitals should have a program in place to let people commit suicide painlessly if they so wished. I am considered a bad person for this, so my opinion does not count.
Interesting study. I’ve seen similar studies linking early onset schizophrenia to early heavy cannabis use. Personally, I think it’s a bit of a leap from “LSD psychosis is similar to schizophrenia” or “early heavy cannabis use is correlated with early onset schizophrenia” to “LSD/cannabis slowly messes you up mentally” – as if it’s a given.
Drug taking is risky and there are people who should not use LSD, just as there are people who should not use cannabis, or alcohol, and my friend who shouldn’t use coffee – but a blanket statement that it *will* mess you up is simply untrue. The discourse around drugs is full of this kind of thing and it annoys me because it prevents drug use and its risks from being discussed rationally .
That’s a pretty sweeping statement to try and reply to, tbh. But as far as I know from the reading I’ve done, the only illegal recreational substance that’s been proven to actually damage brain material at a cellular level is meth – and even that’s been shown to reverse at least in part after a period of abstinence. There’s no evidence I can find that LSD causes brain damage in any tangible, measurable way.
I know that doesn’t really answer your question, but the ‘certain substances’ bit would need to be more specific and mental changes that come from things other than ‘killing brain cells’ ruled out before it could be answered comprehensively, eh?
My experiences with LSD regularly led to me being outside. It’s not fun to spend your entire trip cooped up in a house. He was probably walking, and someone though he was loitering and called the cops.
When I was in highschool, during a particular time that LSD was popular, I saw a schoolmate swan dive off a four story apartment complex. Last thing he said was that he could fly.
A year or so later, another guy jumped off the top floor inside a mall. He fell all the way through a open middle of the mall, and impaled himself on the large tree that was growing in the lobby. He did live, but when asked why he did it, he couldn’t remember.. he was high on LSD too.
Hey, I’ve heard people can feel high by placing a bag over thier heads too. Try that much?
Ok, you call me a liar. Those incidents I mentions happened 25 years ago, so I’m obviously not going to be able to quote the news articles easily. I did search quickly and found this incident though. http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/north_bay&id=7251273
Bro, that guy was running around without clothes and fell off the roof. Of course he blamed some kids for his ridiculous behavior. Anyway, how do you even think that people believe they can fly when tripping? I’ve used a lot of psychedelics and I have had some incredible visions, I’ve been mesmerized by carpet, I’ve even had time stop for me, but not once did I ever think that I might be able to fly (though more than once sitting on the floor felt a lot like flying). When someone jumps off a building sober do we presume to believe they trying to fly? Powerful hallucinogens like LSD and psilocybin can really have unexpected and profound effects on your psyche, but they aren’t the reason that people do crazy and stupid s*it. Seriously, stop trying to pretend you’re an expert, some of us are far better informed than you.
I think its fair to say that anyone that jumps off a roof regardless of being on drugs is a complete idiot. Best to ignore stories like that that’s just evolution working its magic.
They were all communicating telepathically, one of the mysterious side-effects of LSD use. If only there weren’t that particularly powerful psionic America-hating French chemist who convinced so many weak-minded beings to cast themselves into the void.
Thanks, that was much funnier. While I only have sympathy for the poor guy (hardly a danger to himself), the more I watch it the better it gets, the way he gets ‘lost’ in the microphone is hilarious.
To suddenly find yourself surrounded by cops and a film crew, that’s a serious bummer.
Hey, it’s your good pal, Mitt Romney here. Try taking some LDS instead of some of that LSD, brah! Yo, brother, we be chillaxin’ to the maxin’ if you’re a Mormon, bromon.
If you’re retarded enough to think a dude sitting on a sidewalk and tripping out is nearly as dangerous as someone sprinting into traffic, then you need to get your head checked.
First, your response was irrelevant. My comment was aimed at Namblor’s belief that “avoiding” someone on drugs is a viable solution to the danger he may or may not create.
Second, your argument is a strawman. Not everyone on LSD, etc. react the same.
Not everyone on LSD, etc. are out of their mind, incapable of making rational judgments.
Not executing violent criminals is a viable solution to the danger they may or may not create?
For srs. Some things just don’t make sense. Arresting people just for having ingested a substance that allows them to enjoy life more, presumably, is one of those things.
I kinda thought he expected it to attack him and he was getting ready to go all praying-mantis-style on its ass. As much as he could, anyhow, with his hands cuffed
Luckily, the amount of heroin I use is harmless, I inject about once a month on a purely recreational basis. Fine. But what about other people less stable, less educated, less middle-class than me? Builders or blacks for example. If you’re one of those, my advice is leave well alone. Good luck.
High horse much? I’ve seen hundreds of people just like you. You are not above addiction and most are most likely an addict yourself. Your external pleasure seeking ways WILL catch up to you and you won’t even realize it happened. We at NA will be waiting for you with open arms.
I think you must have lost the memo: the twelve-step program is notoriously ineffective. Also note that you don’t hear stories about people who resist addiction to illegal drugs because they don’t destroy their lives, they don’t steal from friends and family, and they sure as shit don’t go around talking about it all the time. Suspend belief of drug information that is found on DARE pamphlets until you can actually research it for yourself, captain propaganda.
What are you even talking about? Lets see if I can put this all in perspective.
I’ve used meth once in my life; I’ve done coke twice; I’ve never used heroin, but I’ve had a couple powerful pharmaceutical opiates several times before; I’ve used Adderall a few times; I’ve even been prescribed clonazepam before for depression and social anxiety, and acquired by black market and taken that, Diazepam, Alprazolam, and Lorazepam for anxiety as well as recreation; I used to regularly consume cough syrup as well as pills with Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide; I have had experiences with psilocybin, LSD, DMT, 5-MeO-DiPT, 5-MeO-DMT, DPT, Ketamine, MDMA, and 2C-B, to name a few more. I have also smoked my fair share of pot. At some times in my life, a couple of these drugs had caused me some problems, even being sent home from work once because I was puking due to the amount of clonazepam consumed the night before. Overall, I consider the bulk of my experiences to be quite positive, especially my experiences with psychedelic hallucinogens.
I have never attacked or otherwise harmed anyone while under the influence of these drugs. I never injured myself either. I have never been arrested, given a DUI or DWI.
I have also never been to a meeting. Nobody told me I was sick, I just don’t feel the need to be high all the time. I also don’t feel the need to be sober all the time. The key to a healthy soul is a free and open mind, no social or behavioral conditioning required.
I am an atheist, and therefor have not needed to use faith as a crutch.
The last time I used 90% of those drugs was well over a year ago. I haven’t smoked pot in over 3 months, and I tend to have 2 or 3 alcoholic drinks a week. I also drink Kava tea sometimes.
I tend to be a pretty calm person, actually. You may not be consciously aware that things like vocal inflection and body language are lost when using text to communicate, but it seems you may have misunderstood mine when trying to subvocalise my commentary. I also suspect you may not have any idea of the pharmacodynamics of kavalactones, but hypertension is not among the common effects.
Hahaha…okay. You’ve got to be kidding about that, so I’m going to assume that you’re not serious.
However, I have to ask, can you honestly use heroin recreationally? That seems kind of impossible. Plus, what is it about heroin that you like? I’m genuinely curious and would really like to know.
I used to know a guy who was a labourer and ‘managed’ his heroin use… he would never really get high but used to inject a few times a day just to feel normal, so it can happen. This was a decade ago though and I highly doubt he’s still alive today if he’s using.
I’m going to make a not-very-massive leap and suggest that the people above have been artfully trolled xD
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Possession without the intent to distribute is a victimless crime. You’re not infringing upon anyone else’s rights.
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Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It’s your life and you’re free to do what you want with your own property. It’s your possession and your body.
Also, if you’re skeptical, consider this.
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mate just because you cant comprehend and expand you mind or even be OPEN to the fact that the things you hear see and read about could be wrong.
because if that were true, then you would have to re-think a lot of your life decisions because i assume you have based a lot of life decisions around facts from the same sources, and then you think… shit i haven’t actually made any life decisions on my own, but merely what other people have suggested to me via pamphlets and the promises of working hard in a strict 9-5, 5 days a week, 4weeks off a year type job.
No even if i’m completely wrong, you should STILL be questioning it. And not just blindly following and accepting the information that is just ‘very handily available, by a organization or group of people that have zero ulterior motives’
btw i smoke bud and graduated with a distinction average
Think about it this way. Some can and some don’t know they can’t until it’s too late. If you can identify yourself as a compulsive pleasure-seeker, it’s best to stay away from mind altering substances to start. It becomes WAY too easy to get what you want mentally, that you eventually find yourself taking the shortcut all the time.
I found myself addicted to non-addictive substances because of that defect. We become addicted to our own brain’s pleasure response.
I seem to recall something about heroin. No, I feel a bit differently about pot. I don’t use it now, but when I did I couldn’t stop because I’m an obsessive compulsive freak that doesn’t know limits. There are others like me and there are not. That’s all.
Because they weren’t ‘hard-wired’ like some are. I know it can be looked at as a ‘cop out’ to say you just can’t quit, but try telling a schizophrenic to stop hallucinating. I know that is an extreme comparison, but it feels the same to the one who is suffering. Attending a meeting (organized or non-organized) is a good way for people to support each other through similar consequences. I support social-bonding for like minded individuals more so than a strictly titled organization. In the end it is about learning self-control, though (like you said).
I think we can agree that a support community can be, in some cases, invaluable; I just disagree with the tenets of the twelve-step program. I suppose I may have been a little harsh in my expression of that. I’m glad it worked for you.
Taking drugs in moderation is okay imo. If you don’t know your own limit, or are too stupid to set a limit, then you’ll end up taking more than you can handle. So long as you take drugs in moderation (like once or twice a week) then it probably won’t hurt. Too much of anything can be harmful.
brilliant, why haven’t you opened up your own rehab clinic. Clearly addiction is a myth, and has no effect on people’s judgement. I think Charlie Sheen put it best “There I cured it, with my mind.”
Once the sinister white children were tolerated, until seven happened and wanted to flee. There was none to come – yet the voices became us. Blackness is coming! Please, do not travel the roads of infinite things. Roaming forests as the tirades of God. There is meaning in these days.
Poor guy. People shoudn’t get arrested for that… #failpolice
Yeah, they shouldn’t be arrested for being a danger to themselves and others.
Thank you!
People just want to be free and do what they wish
F the war on freedoms
You mean the freedom not to be harmed by druggies?
LSD is illegal because the Power Pricks that rule the world can’t afford to let us little peons and slaves see that we are wrapped up in their chains.
I listened to some speakers from the 1983 Psychedelics and Spirituality Convention, and Terence McKenna so elegantly put it, “It’s my belief that one of the unconscious reasons which underlies the odd attitude of the establishment toward hallucinogens is the fact that they bring the mystery to the surface as an individual experience. In other words, you do not understand the psychedelic experience by getting a report from Time Magazine or even the Economist; you only understand the psychedelic experience by having it, and therefor, to understand it is to embark on a course of action of self-education outside the context of your culture, because your culture has no answers about what this thing might be.
Don’t worry, if you’ve got an unnatural fear of new experiences, you can still undergo a journey of self-education by listening to the podcast yourself: http://www.matrixmasters.net/salon/?p=126
I’m pretty sure you have a right to not be harmed by anybody, regardless of whether you consider them a “druggie” or not.
When was the last time you were assaulted or accosted by a pothead or someone tripping on acid or someone rolling on E? Danger to themselves, sure, but to others?
Heroin addicts are useless. Which pretty much leaves crackheads and meth heads as more than likely a danger to others… and even then I’m still assuming.
Meanwhile, I have been threatened with physical harm, on more than one occasion, without any provocation, by drunk people. I have had a drunk driver in a truck try to rear-end me, then subsequently run me off the road (because a Mazda Protege can’t outrun an old Ford or Chevy truck). Then they stopped and got out of their drunk to try to fight me because in their drunker stupor, actually believed I did something wrong to them. Drunk people cause more danger to others. Druggies tend to keep to themselves, if they even leave the house.
Great! Let’s arrest all old people and soccer moms for driving on a highway then…
OK!
Its ILLEGAL to experience ANY reality other than the one handed to you
That being, you’re a slave who has no hope or life.
The system needs to go
Nah, old people and soccer moms are a danger, but they’re not an immediate or obvious danger. That’s why drunks are pulled over and arrested, whereas the elderly are not.
But that’s the whole point. Drunks get arrested, not because they are drunks, but because the drive drunk. People on LSD get arrested even if they don’t drive or pose any immediate danger to themselves or others. I don’t understand the double standards in society. Explain to me, how is posession of drugs any different from posession of alcohol?
Alcohol is a drug. Alcohol does more damage to society than LSD ever has. Alcohol does more physical damage to a person’s body than LSD does.
People shouldn’t go to jail for using drugs. Using drugs doesn’t make someone a criminal. They may be sick, but they’re not criminals.
I’ll quote Bill Hicks:
“My life is infinitely better since I stopped using drugs, but my life would be infinitely worse if I’d ever been arrested for it.”
Life is dangerous. Many people die from it each day.
As for “protecting people from themselves”, I’ve had two parents already.
Right. Life is dangerous. Many people die from it each day.
Therefore we shouldn’t stop anyone who’s an imminent and obvious danger to themselves, others, or the public at large.
You’re smart.
Failed logic class, eh?
So someone who is dead drunk would be arrested too?
Leading cause of death is birth.
Please provide evidence that people on LSD are a danger to anybody at all. Deaths? Injuries? Anything at all?
Yeah nah, didn’t think so. Next.
There is an old documentary on the government trying LSD on soldiers, the soldiers stripped down and started climbing trees to look at a birds nest…
But really any drug can be a danger to certian people, some may be able to handle LSD but I think the fear is that the schizophrenic guy who hears voices will take LSD and be convinced the evil monkies in his head want him to go on a killing rampage.
Also the fact that LSD slowly messes you up mentally, but any drug does that, weed, and alcohal do, so it will always be illegal because the government is trying to baby people like we’re all children, they dont get that some people dont want to face reality or live in monotony all their life.
I believe it is a persons choice to take mind damaging substances, as long as they dont pressure others or hurt others, its their life. BUT I also approve of peoples choice to suicide and think hospitals should have a program in place to let people commit suicide painlessly if they so wished. I am considered a bad person for this, so my opinion does not count.
“LSD slowly messes you up mentally”
[citation needed]
Do medical journals count? This should get you started: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6870484
Interesting study. I’ve seen similar studies linking early onset schizophrenia to early heavy cannabis use. Personally, I think it’s a bit of a leap from “LSD psychosis is similar to schizophrenia” or “early heavy cannabis use is correlated with early onset schizophrenia” to “LSD/cannabis slowly messes you up mentally” – as if it’s a given.
Drug taking is risky and there are people who should not use LSD, just as there are people who should not use cannabis, or alcohol, and my friend who shouldn’t use coffee – but a blanket statement that it *will* mess you up is simply untrue. The discourse around drugs is full of this kind of thing and it annoys me because it prevents drug use and its risks from being discussed rationally .
Touché, sir. Well put.
Indeed? So it’s been disproved that certain substances kill brain cells?
That’s a pretty sweeping statement to try and reply to, tbh. But as far as I know from the reading I’ve done, the only illegal recreational substance that’s been proven to actually damage brain material at a cellular level is meth – and even that’s been shown to reverse at least in part after a period of abstinence. There’s no evidence I can find that LSD causes brain damage in any tangible, measurable way.
I know that doesn’t really answer your question, but the ‘certain substances’ bit would need to be more specific and mental changes that come from things other than ‘killing brain cells’ ruled out before it could be answered comprehensively, eh?
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Thanks, I try. :3
LSD doesn’t make you a danger to yourself or others, any more than any other intense experience.
He was probably driving. Hence being outdoors and arrested .Yep.
derp, you do realize he might not have been american; hence being outside would not imply he was driving while walking his dog?
My experiences with LSD regularly led to me being outside. It’s not fun to spend your entire trip cooped up in a house. He was probably walking, and someone though he was loitering and called the cops.
*thought
When I was in highschool, during a particular time that LSD was popular, I saw a schoolmate swan dive off a four story apartment complex. Last thing he said was that he could fly.
A year or so later, another guy jumped off the top floor inside a mall. He fell all the way through a open middle of the mall, and impaled himself on the large tree that was growing in the lobby. He did live, but when asked why he did it, he couldn’t remember.. he was high on LSD too.
you remind me of those kids that say anything just to get attention or to win an argument…
liar.
People get delusional when dead drunk and do even stupider things than that.
Wanna give Prohibition another go?
Hey, I’ve heard people can feel high by placing a bag over thier heads too. Try that much?
Ok, you call me a liar. Those incidents I mentions happened 25 years ago, so I’m obviously not going to be able to quote the news articles easily. I did search quickly and found this incident though.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/north_bay&id=7251273
Bro, that guy was running around without clothes and fell off the roof. Of course he blamed some kids for his ridiculous behavior. Anyway, how do you even think that people believe they can fly when tripping? I’ve used a lot of psychedelics and I have had some incredible visions, I’ve been mesmerized by carpet, I’ve even had time stop for me, but not once did I ever think that I might be able to fly (though more than once sitting on the floor felt a lot like flying). When someone jumps off a building sober do we presume to believe they trying to fly? Powerful hallucinogens like LSD and psilocybin can really have unexpected and profound effects on your psyche, but they aren’t the reason that people do crazy and stupid s*it. Seriously, stop trying to pretend you’re an expert, some of us are far better informed than you.
You’re either a politician or a religious zealot to be able to lie so well.
absolutely
Two obvious lies. Anyone who knows anything about the subject can tell you that.
Educate yourselves people: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_death.shtml
Evidence not anecdata please. The ‘think you can fly’ myth has been debunked for many years.
I think its fair to say that anyone that jumps off a roof regardless of being on drugs is a complete idiot. Best to ignore stories like that that’s just evolution working its magic.
Every school I ever went to had the same story of the guy who jumped off a building, tripping on acid. Simply amazing.
They were all communicating telepathically, one of the mysterious side-effects of LSD use. If only there weren’t that particularly powerful psionic America-hating French chemist who convinced so many weak-minded beings to cast themselves into the void.
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Being arrested for possession, that’s a fail all by itself…
Actually, this guy is just dead-drunk. It’s a cut-out from Estonian police chronicle show.
“The Face Of Someone Arrested For LSD Possession”… Captain Obvious to the attack. Seriously, you could have said something funnier.
“Captain Obvious”… Oh, the irony of this post.
It’s not LSD, possibly thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid . Same effect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeMSI5rkPBg
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Now say “I’m whitre trash and I’m in trouble!”
Officer: “What’cha doing here?”
Jarmo the Druggie:”I’m waiting for a friend”
Officer: “You can wait in the car.”
Thanks, that was much funnier. While I only have sympathy for the poor guy (hardly a danger to himself), the more I watch it the better it gets, the way he gets ‘lost’ in the microphone is hilarious.
To suddenly find yourself surrounded by cops and a film crew, that’s a serious bummer.
Why would this be a fail?
He totally rocked that ish O_o
Agreed, it’s a win, he’s lovin’ it.
that dude is gurning way hard . lol
Though the guy filming is a real douchebag for not bringing him some water.
Damn Estonia, you so funny!
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He makes me think of George W. Bush.
Hey, it’s your good pal, Mitt Romney here. Try taking some LDS instead of some of that LSD, brah! Yo, brother, we be chillaxin’ to the maxin’ if you’re a Mormon, bromon.
*yawn*
Right. See a drunk driver? Just avoid him.
See someone running into traffic? Just ignore him.
See someone out of their mind, incapable of making rational judgments? Nah, he’ll be okay. Let him alone.
If you’re retarded enough to think a dude sitting on a sidewalk and tripping out is nearly as dangerous as someone sprinting into traffic, then you need to get your head checked.
First, your response was irrelevant. My comment was aimed at Namblor’s belief that “avoiding” someone on drugs is a viable solution to the danger he may or may not create.
Second, your argument is a strawman. Not everyone on LSD, etc. react the same.
Not everyone on LSD, etc. are out of their mind, incapable of making rational judgments.
Not executing violent criminals is a viable solution to the danger they may or may not create?
For srs. Some things just don’t make sense. Arresting people just for having ingested a substance that allows them to enjoy life more, presumably, is one of those things.
Was anyone else expecting him to eat the mic?
yes
I kinda thought he expected it to attack him and he was getting ready to go all praying-mantis-style on its ass. As much as he could, anyhow, with his hands cuffed
He looks like Simon from the “Simon’s Cat” series.
Looks like someone’s having a bad trip.
Cuddles the Safety Clown has obviously never taken LSD. If he had, then he’d know how utterly ridiculous his comments are.
Whatever he’s on, it looks like FUN.
NO LSD involved… he was on GHB… anyways nicely re-gif’d, it’s a classic
Luckily, the amount of heroin I use is harmless, I inject about once a month on a purely recreational basis. Fine. But what about other people less stable, less educated, less middle-class than me? Builders or blacks for example. If you’re one of those, my advice is leave well alone. Good luck.
High horse much? I’ve seen hundreds of people just like you. You are not above addiction and most are most likely an addict yourself. Your external pleasure seeking ways WILL catch up to you and you won’t even realize it happened. We at NA will be waiting for you with open arms.
I think you must have lost the memo: the twelve-step program is notoriously ineffective. Also note that you don’t hear stories about people who resist addiction to illegal drugs because they don’t destroy their lives, they don’t steal from friends and family, and they sure as shit don’t go around talking about it all the time. Suspend belief of drug information that is found on DARE pamphlets until you can actually research it for yourself, captain propaganda.
you have to be there dude…
The thing is that I really don’t.
as in in that situation to understand. Not physically there. You seem to have a negative state of mind. It’s okay though, you’ll get better soon
What are you even talking about? Lets see if I can put this all in perspective.
I’ve used meth once in my life; I’ve done coke twice; I’ve never used heroin, but I’ve had a couple powerful pharmaceutical opiates several times before; I’ve used Adderall a few times; I’ve even been prescribed clonazepam before for depression and social anxiety, and acquired by black market and taken that, Diazepam, Alprazolam, and Lorazepam for anxiety as well as recreation; I used to regularly consume cough syrup as well as pills with Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide; I have had experiences with psilocybin, LSD, DMT, 5-MeO-DiPT, 5-MeO-DMT, DPT, Ketamine, MDMA, and 2C-B, to name a few more. I have also smoked my fair share of pot. At some times in my life, a couple of these drugs had caused me some problems, even being sent home from work once because I was puking due to the amount of clonazepam consumed the night before. Overall, I consider the bulk of my experiences to be quite positive, especially my experiences with psychedelic hallucinogens.
I have never attacked or otherwise harmed anyone while under the influence of these drugs. I never injured myself either. I have never been arrested, given a DUI or DWI.
I have also never been to a meeting. Nobody told me I was sick, I just don’t feel the need to be high all the time. I also don’t feel the need to be sober all the time. The key to a healthy soul is a free and open mind, no social or behavioral conditioning required.
I am an atheist, and therefor have not needed to use faith as a crutch.
The last time I used 90% of those drugs was well over a year ago. I haven’t smoked pot in over 3 months, and I tend to have 2 or 3 alcoholic drinks a week. I also drink Kava tea sometimes.
What exactly is it that needs to get better?
You should relax, your cardiovascular system will thank you.
I tend to be a pretty calm person, actually. You may not be consciously aware that things like vocal inflection and body language are lost when using text to communicate, but it seems you may have misunderstood mine when trying to subvocalise my commentary. I also suspect you may not have any idea of the pharmacodynamics of kavalactones, but hypertension is not among the common effects.
I know a lot about wombats though. Wombats are it man…wombats.
Australian marsupials, huh? Well…damn, I got nothin’.
that’s what I thought Sam. You’re lucky I didn’t bring the wallaby into this too.
Amen to that sam…. and also marry me <3
^_^
builder? I do not get… I’ve just been in his position and know a lot of other people who have also been there. It will hit you like a brick wall.
Hahaha…okay. You’ve got to be kidding about that, so I’m going to assume that you’re not serious.
However, I have to ask, can you honestly use heroin recreationally? That seems kind of impossible. Plus, what is it about heroin that you like? I’m genuinely curious and would really like to know.
I used to know a guy who was a labourer and ‘managed’ his heroin use… he would never really get high but used to inject a few times a day just to feel normal, so it can happen. This was a decade ago though and I highly doubt he’s still alive today if he’s using.
I’m going to make a not-very-massive leap and suggest that the people above have been artfully trolled xD
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Go and do something productive with your time, does anyone really go to the website you are advertising, Even if it is legit you make it sound like a scam. If it is a scam.
So stop posting these stupid comments
$8367/$73 = 144.61643 hours. 144.61643 is not a few.
And no one believes you.
And your mom never loved you.
And… NEITHER SHALL LIVE WHILE THE OTHER SURVIVES… you smell bad.
*for a few hours a day for a year and a half.
How do you get that squiggle through the o in the web address? I don’t know how to do it so I can’t check that site.
Possession without the intent to distribute is a victimless crime. You’re not infringing upon anyone else’s rights.
AMENDMENT XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It’s your life and you’re free to do what you want with your own property. It’s your possession and your body.
Also, if you’re skeptical, consider this.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Like quite a lot of people in the world, this guy wasn’t in the United States.
^ this applies to Americans obviously.
Dude looks like “how the hel did i got here? let me go, crab looking creatures, i have to go back in time and save myself from drowning!”
thanks for the laugh bro
Beaker (muppets) does LSD????? Who knew???
mate just because you cant comprehend and expand you mind or even be OPEN to the fact that the things you hear see and read about could be wrong.
because if that were true, then you would have to re-think a lot of your life decisions because i assume you have based a lot of life decisions around facts from the same sources, and then you think… shit i haven’t actually made any life decisions on my own, but merely what other people have suggested to me via pamphlets and the promises of working hard in a strict 9-5, 5 days a week, 4weeks off a year type job.
No even if i’m completely wrong, you should STILL be questioning it. And not just blindly following and accepting the information that is just ‘very handily available, by a organization or group of people that have zero ulterior motives’
btw i smoke bud and graduated with a distinction average
Think about it this way. Some can and some don’t know they can’t until it’s too late. If you can identify yourself as a compulsive pleasure-seeker, it’s best to stay away from mind altering substances to start. It becomes WAY too easy to get what you want mentally, that you eventually find yourself taking the shortcut all the time.
I found myself addicted to non-addictive substances because of that defect. We become addicted to our own brain’s pleasure response.
Look, bud, if you want to target a drug as dangerous in any way, shape, or form, pot isn’t it.
I seem to recall something about heroin. No, I feel a bit differently about pot. I don’t use it now, but when I did I couldn’t stop because I’m an obsessive compulsive freak that doesn’t know limits. There are others like me and there are not. That’s all.
It sounds like pot isn’t the problem here.
Did you figure that out all yourself? That’s what I said Sherlock. Your perception is obviously clouded by a need to argue.
Because they weren’t ‘hard-wired’ like some are. I know it can be looked at as a ‘cop out’ to say you just can’t quit, but try telling a schizophrenic to stop hallucinating. I know that is an extreme comparison, but it feels the same to the one who is suffering. Attending a meeting (organized or non-organized) is a good way for people to support each other through similar consequences. I support social-bonding for like minded individuals more so than a strictly titled organization. In the end it is about learning self-control, though (like you said).
I think we can agree that a support community can be, in some cases, invaluable; I just disagree with the tenets of the twelve-step program. I suppose I may have been a little harsh in my expression of that. I’m glad it worked for you.
The face of someone who’s in the process being taken hostage by the aliens, and then realizes the size of the probe they will be using.
I loled so hard
I’ve done it several dozen times and I can honestly say I never thought I could fly, never impaled myself on a tree, and generally had a good time.
Now that I’m all growed up, I wouldn’t do it, but hey if you’re without any responsibilities, it’s not going to kill you.
haters gonna hate, though.
Taking drugs in moderation is okay imo. If you don’t know your own limit, or are too stupid to set a limit, then you’ll end up taking more than you can handle. So long as you take drugs in moderation (like once or twice a week) then it probably won’t hurt. Too much of anything can be harmful.
brilliant, why haven’t you opened up your own rehab clinic. Clearly addiction is a myth, and has no effect on people’s judgement. I think Charlie Sheen put it best “There I cured it, with my mind.”
Once the sinister white children were tolerated, until seven happened and wanted to flee. There was none to come – yet the voices became us. Blackness is coming! Please, do not travel the roads of infinite things. Roaming forests as the tirades of God. There is meaning in these days.