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Tipping is a broken system with the purpose of moving the issue of salary from the employer over on the employee. Tipping is bulls**t, and supporting it hurts more than it helps in the end.
People in the service industry whine too much.
If people didn’t tip and the employer had to cover the difference, your meal would be twice as expensive
Nonsense. You generally only tip up to 10% (sometimes more sometimes less). Even with all the charges on it I highly doubt that any prices would raise more than 15%.
But nevertheless from my point of view tiping is a legitimate way to recompense more money if the service exceeded your minimal expected standards to your satisfaction.
Being nice and tipping are two different issues.
You can be as nice as pie, but if they leave you with your hands covered in food with nothing to wipe them on because they only gave you a tiny and/or paper napkin, don’t bring the mustard you want on your burger until it’s cold even though they told you they’d bring it twice, and forget to bring you your appetizer altogether — then you forfeit at least half of your tip.
Or being on a budget. Or french. French people never tip.
That’s because in France, people go to school to learn how to wait tables, waitresses and waiters get more respect, and tips are already included in your bill.
No one cares, stop justifying your cheapness.
You cow.
Get a better job, you Miltank.
A tip is not a waiters right! It is a way to say thank you for GOOD service. The tip and its amount is a reflection of the customers perception of how good a job the waiter did. If the waiter is so self absorbed that they don’t understand that then maybe they need to get another job.
actually, servers only get paid $2.13 per hour. Our paychecks amount to ZERO every time because taxes take everything else. Tips are how we get paid. I slightly agree with what you are saying, (if I know I gave bad service, I don’t expect a tip, and don’t get mad when I don’t get one), however, there have been plenty of times I given excellent service, told so by the customer, and came back to no tip. There’s nothing like working 12 hours, no break, no sitting down, no pay check, and only walking out with 30 bucks because people didn’t think that their server deserved a tip simply because they forgot to get a piece of garlic toast out to you in the midst of paying out 2 other tables, greeting 2 other tables, taking orders at another table, running the food out to another table, rolling silverware, sweeping, cleaning a few tables…the list goes on and on, I won’t make you keep reading.
It is not the customer’s fault that a server is too busy. Servers, as all workers, have a responsibility to improve their working conditions. It sure does suck to walk out with $30, doesn;t it? And get no breaks? Have to cover too many tables? ORGANIZE! The boss isn’t going to give anything to you that you don’t demand. And its not the customer’s job to make up the difference either, when you have a boss that exploits you.
I was tipped by some frech before. Big time. It was a big top, and only one spoke english well enough to talk for the group. They taught me a couple of words, one guy asked me to marry him. They were really cool and left me $35 if I remember correctly.
Ohh…the “waiter”. I thought it said “water”.
Well, in some cultures that’s important too…
This post has nothing to do with tipping. It’s a message to those who are involved with someone they think is nice, but a far better measure of a person is how well they treat some one who is “beneath” them. A waiter is practically a temporary slave to some people, and those are not nice people.
Stop ruining the lulz.
Gawd.
agreed completely.
Or ask him if he ever ran out on a stripper without paying.
dine and dash?
No don’t eat that!
NOT True…
Don’t know about you, but I always leave good service big tips.
25% or more.
During the time he’s waiting on me… he’s MY employee.
I don’t think you quite got the post. They’re saying that if you aren’t nice to the waitstaff [who deserve it] and/or don’t tip them appropriately, then you aren’t a nice person.
Unless you’re trying to argue the inverse is untrue and say that you are nice to servers and tip well but still aren’t a nice person. But I digress.
I think you missed it, too. It’s saying that if you’re on a date with someone who seems great but is rude to the wait staff, it’s a warning sign.
I live in a country that pays decent wages; tipping is unnecessary unless you feel like complementing them for excellent service.
If someone is a s**t employee they’ll get fired
if you don’t work in the industry, you wouldn’t understand
Never worked in the industry and I understand.
And my name isn’t even Greg.
A great way to determine people you want to do business with or not.
Of course the wiser sociopaths would know to make a show of treating the
wait staff well. But usually they don’t, instead they try to show off by being
an ass. That is exactly what you’ll be dealing with when you sign on the
bottom line.
Nothing in this post says anything about tipping, it says being nice. While tipping is important, this discussion has no business becoming about tipping. If you aren’t *nice* to the waiter, then you aren’t a nice person. Nice being saying please and thank you, not yelling at them or treating them like an inferior person because they are waiting on you.
That’s what I got out of it too.
Why does everyone seem to think this is about leaving a big tip? It has nothing to do with money. Its not just waiters either, you learn a lot about a person by the way they treat their servers.
I’m a cashier and every day I deal with some of the meanest and most rude people I’ve ever had the displeasure to meet. As soon as another customer gets in line they are all sunshine and smiles to them, all while nearly clawing my hand enough to bleed as they snatch their change from me.
It would be blissful if people would learn to treat their servers as human beings instead of mindless things standing behind the counter. People expect us to be “kind” to them as we wait on them and put up with their abusive behavior, they should return the favor.
I can relate to you on that one. It’s flat-out mind boggling that some people can be so venomous, nasty, and vile…and they actually seem to get self-satisfaction from the fact that they act that way.
While there’s mean/rude people anywhere you go, the number of them varies. I’ve lived in Colorado for 15 years, living in a small town and working in a larger one (Boulder). Despite eating out all the time, I’ve never seen anything close to a fight or yelling at the wait staff or at fast food places. I’ve seen people be rude to them on occasion, but nothing too outrageous.
I went on a big trip recently and it definitely isn’t like that everywhere. While I stood in line at a McDonalds in Manhattan, two women nearly got in a fight with each other (despite not knowing each other), and cursed each other as if they were drunk in a bar and they were both perfectly sober. It was 11am on a weekday.
Sydney is correct. Customers treat servers, cashiers, phone reps, and just about every service rep like s**t because they can.
In all fairness, in my experience…when I see people getting treated like s**t its because they deserve it. I used to work in a restaurant and a hotel, people were never angry at me even when things went wrong. They were mad at their situation/the management, but I was always courteous and respectful. I even got a tip from an angry customer once.
Some of my fellow employees however, were not so friendly and got treated like crap because of it (a Catch 22 really…)
Because there’s no such thing as an a$$hole waiter. Everybody who works for peanuts is a noble and wonderful person!
How many of us are tipping the kids at McDonald’s that serve us? I’d hazard a bet that it’s none of us, including all the whining waitstaff who talk about how hard done by they are for making min wage and getting an extra $10/hour. There are many many people who work far more difficult jobs for less money. Get another job if you don’t like the amount of extra money people give you just for doing the job you are already paid to do. Also, tip your physicians, the poor people need to make a living.
Tard, we don’t make minimum wage. We make $2.13 an hour. Without a tip, we could not afford our homes, utilities, car payments, or food.
They aren’t a “tard;” minimum wage differs from state to state. From what my waiter friends told me, the minimum where we live is $7.50 even for waiters. If you’re working at a nice restaurant, it can be A LOT higher. One of my friends made $16 an hour working at a restaurant in Hollywood. With tips, he easily makes a (more than) decent living for his age.
You are ignorant. McDonald’s employees make much more than the waitstaff at even the most expensive restaurants. Servers make $2.13 an hour which is nothing after taxes. Also, many of them have to pay out part of their tips to pay the bar and the bussers, and most of the time this is based on projected and not actual tips, so many times when you stiff them, they have just paid for the privilege of waiting on your sorry ass. Remember, you did not have to cook for yourself, get your own food from the kitchen, or clean up after yourself. This alone should be taken into account when tip time comes and should be considered even if your food was late, which 9 times out of 10 was a kitchen frak up and not the servers fault. If your service was absolutely terrible, then by all means, don’t leave a tip. However, if you do go out to eat with the intention of tipping only if the service was some ungodly wonderful religious experience, then I sincerely hope that you have unknowingly ingested several people’s DNA over the years.
Well, funny how in all other countries all these “extra charges” you’re talking about like cooking and cleaning are somehow reflected by the monetary value of the dish ordered as shown in the menu. I think it’s called “the price”.
I wasn’t going to comment, but this $2.13 garbage needs to stop being spread as a universal gospel. That is only the (federal) minimum tipped wage in areas without their own minimum wage, and those are (generally) the lowest cost of living areas. If you live in San Francisco, for example, minimum tip wage is $10.24. Know your local laws, and tip according to that and the level of service.
Also, as others have pointed out – tipping well isn’t the same of exercising common courtesy. Pleases, thank yous and a pleasant tone should be maintained for a polite server, even if they are terrible at their job.
Generally I think you’re right about the wage, but personally, I’d hate to be a server in my area. They only get the minimum, and people here are notoriously low tippers. Not only that, living expenses here are rather inflated. I have no idea how people working these jobs make ends meet. But the low minimum wage is certainly no argument for a mandatory tip. I myself consider it mandatory for good service, but I feel no sympathy for denying a tip to an awful server. I’ve only actually done that twice, and that was more for the bad attitude than the bad service (a good attitude goes a long way with me).
And fully agree on the tipping not being the same as common courtesy. Even with bad service, I exercise courtesy. If their attitude is exceedingly discourteous, well, that’s when you ask to speak to the manager. But in my experience, this is very rare. Receiving a pleasant attitude starts with showing a good attitude. I’ll never understand people who act unpleasant and then get angry when they receive the same back at them.
Tip your physicians? Do you even know how the medical industry works in this country?(assuming you’re in the U.S.)
Ooooor, are you talking about private practices? Because I know they’re hit-and-miss. I’d have no problem tipping my dentist for example, he’s great.
You are just mentally retarded aren’t you? Servers get paid far less than minimum wage because customers are suppose to tip. I am a server and I only get paid $2.13 an hour. So if people don’t tip I don’t get paid. Tips are not just for doing a good job it is our paycheck. I absolutely hate ignorant jackasses like you.
You know what’s worse? Being a delivery driver and actually expending money as you deliver. And then getting stiffed.
It’s wonderful.
you might want to look up the meanign of “tip”. It’s a reward and incentive for good service.
Do a good job and you’ll receive a tip.
Spend most of the time looking the other way, talking to your colleagues and handing me my drink while holding it by the rim = no tip
if you dont like it, get a real job
Unless you’re in Japan. Tipping is considered more of an insult than an incentive in most restaurants in Japan.
Your ignorance is amazing. “customers are supposed to tip”? Really? So if my waiter/waitress only takes my order and delivers my food, doesn’t check back with me at any point other than to bring me a bill, I’m supposed to tip them 15-20%?
No F’ing way numbnuts. You whine and moan how little you get paid. Guess what? You chose to work there. You are not being forced to work there. You are free to leave at any time and find a better job. Like McDonald’s down the street that will start you out much higher if that’s your liking.
Wait staff like you are so arrogant and entitled that it never ceases to amaze me. Like if it wasn’t for you, the restaurant would close its doors. Here is a reality check: your employer pays you little to nothing because wait staff are a dime a dozen. Your easy to replace and not worth paying more than legally required.
Stop being a snob, get a education and get a real job.
tru dat!
And it sooo isn’t about tipping. It’s about whether or not that person bothers to be polite to some one they have no reason to impress!
You seem not to know the difference between tipping wait staff and being polite to them… which leads me to believe you don’t do either very often.
The wait staff at McDonald’s makes at least minimum wage and most of them aren’t supporting families on it. If that is how you feel though by all means stay at McDonald’s and be a Dollar Menunaire. The post is about being nice, and many times I can overlook a s**tty tip if the person was cool or sweet. As far as whining goes 2.13 an hour is not minimum wage, SERVERS WORK FOR TIPS that is how they are paid, SERGE. Only the trashiest and most inbred among us think otherwise. In America a TIP is not extra money; it is what you pay for service. Plain and simple, if you can’t afford the tip, you can’t afford the meal.
Also, McDonalds employees are basically cashiers. I’m sorry, but in my book, ringing up my purchase does not equate service on the level with a server bringing my food and refilling my drinks.
Furthermore, some people don’t seem to understand that a tip is not ONLY a show of appreciation, it is legitimate compensation for a crappy minimum wage. These people are also under the impression that their food would be the same price if their servers were paid the “real” minimum wage.
If they paid servers four or five times more, that cost would be passed down to the food. Then what would we have? Servers with no real motivation to do a good job.
I know, I know, that’s a generalization, but I think my point is valid. You either get cheaper food with a motivated server and the option to deny a tip for bad service, or expensive food whether you get good service or not. It’s not a difficult concept, but some can’t seem to grasp it.
Not being nice to people who handle your food is not a sign of great intelligence.
Not providing good service to someone who controls a significant portion of your income is a sign of even less intelligence…
I don’t know. If I had to choose, I’d rather lose a tip than ingest bodily fluids. Either way, people should be nice. Then everyone except Tyler Durden wins, and he’s cool enough to take the loss like a man.
True! I once met a couple of people who worked at a chain restaurant. Their advice: do not ever have your food returned unless you really have to. They will spent in it if you’re an a**hole or perceive you as one.
You can easily judge a person on how they treat others that can do nothing for them.
So, I went into McDonald’s yesterday. I ordered food, it was prepared well and served quickly with a smile.
Why am I not expected to tip that person…?
The simple answer is because they’re more a cashier than a server. They ring you up, give you your food and send you on your way. They don’t spend significant time bringing your food across the room and refilling your drink.
Some restaurants have a communal tip jar, which I guess is split amongst the staff. I usually see those in the type of restaurants that involve people making food to your specifications (some Subways, Freebirds, ice cream shops, etc.).
You know, I’ve wondered about this. On the one hand there’s truth to it because the idea is that if they were a nice person, they’d be nice to everyone; but it’s also a lot more meaningful when someone who’s usually a jerk goes out of their way to treat only you well, not out of being fake-nice to “Seduce” you but because they genuinely want to make the exception for you. If someone is nice to everyone then often it’s because they want everyone to think they’re “so nice” and are really just self-absorbed.
I see what you’re saying, Stacey, but it’s a lot easier to be nice to somebody you have an interest in impressing (like a date).
Where the rubber meets the road is to know how somebody treats people on an everyday basis, and that’s what this is trying to say.
If somebody thinks it’s no big deal to be rude to a random person who is serving him or her (whether or not they are giving you perfect service), then that person will probably treat you the same way once that person doesn’t think he or she has to impress you anymore. Eventually they’ll fall back into their habit of being a jackass–even to you.
If a person has a habit of wanting to respect others and be kind to them (it’s true that you really never know what’s going on in somebody’s else’s life–I’ve found this out many times while working), whether or not they need to impress anybody, then you can reasonably expect they will give you that same respect and care on an everyday basis. Maybe even if you’re not performing at 100% awesomness capacity due to sickness or depression or something.
The point: A lot of you missed it entirely.
I work as a receptionist in a hospital clinic. I can’t even begin to count the amount of patients I’ve dealt with who’ve treated me like I’m worth less than the dirt on their shoes, but were all sugar and smiles to my doctors. And of course, these patients weren’t my extremely ill ones either; they just couldn’t be arsed to be nice to us clerical staff.
Personally, I feel everyone should work a service job for at least one full year, just to see the true colors of everyday society.
So, in your eyes… Niceness = monetary compensation?
Yes. Because in most states (including, via quick google, washington state) waitstaff (or other occupations that recieve tips) are excluded from minimum wage laws. So your initial sentance isn’t true.
That being said, at peak times, sure. Waitstaff may be making $30/hour. at non peak times they almost certainly aren’t. It all averages out.
No, in Wash. state both tipped and non-tipped employees have the same minimum wage. All by a quick google search.
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#foot1
The whole point of this post is you can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who they think can do nothing for them. In this instance “Nothing for them” indicates the person can have no real effect on the out come of his life ie: getting laid later, promotion at work, great deal on a purchase.
I always tell my girls, Don’t pay attention to how a guy treats you when you are dating. Pay attention to how he treats service staff, because that is how he will treat you in a few years.
i didnt read all the comments because i got bored but in the begining there was only cantines bars not restaurants and theres was a point where they got too busy and loud and if they didnt know you well u would not get a good service and T-o I-nsure P-roper S-ervice patrons invented TIPS en to get the service and respect by the staff in a bar…try it… place a dollar on the bar and ask for your drink ..he will keep the money and if you tip before u get the drink, he will remember you and even when its crowded
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