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Heeeee.
That’s what the server said when he/she saw this ‘great’ tip.
I’ve left cash in addition to a card tip before. Let’s hope the person who did it was nice and just wanted to make the joke.
IMPORTANT: payer like myself doesn’t care about $’s & cents of tip, just about paying and leaving —like in the good ol’ days — go to hell
Um..okay?
So are you saying you don’t care for tipping? That you’re a douche?
If you were trolling, you failed because you were retardedly vague.
That tip is perfectly reasonable. A tip of $3.14, for ONE meal?
15% is 3.67 (1980′s hopeful tip amount) 20% is 4.8 we make 2.65 an hour
Then go get a new job.
Please keep this statement in mind whenever you whine about not having enough money for anything.
Guys he was trying to tip with the number pi. Which just so happened to make an even dollar amount. Probably got so excited he didn’t stop to notice that it wasnt a good tip. You remember pi 3.1467….. and o. And on again forever. Still, not a great tip but probably not that abnormal I. The grand scheme of things.
pi actually starts with 3.1416
Pin starts with 3.1415; the next digit is 9, which is why it would round to 3.1416 if we were looking at 5 significant figures.
YES, get a new job! Stop complaining! Whine, Whine, Whine. GET A NEW JOB! Gimme, Gimme, Gimme, I’m never happy, I’m never content! Get a new job!
Maybe the service just sucked. I’ve left crappy tips when I was waiting an hour to get the wrong order brought to me.
Right. Because that’s the server’s fault, not the kitchen’s.
Not to mention, why do douchebags like you take out your frustration on the messenger? Because you’re too stupid to realize that occasionally mistakes happen, and they’re usually always caused by someone who is not the server or delivery driver?
Right. Because my server bringing out the wrong meal is the kitchen’s fault.
usually an order is delivered by a different server than the one who took your order, if the kitchen messed up, there is no way for them to know, and triple checking every order would take even longer to get an order out. so yes, it is generally the kitchen’s fault. They get paid either way, why do they care if your order is right?
If you’re not ‘voting’ with your tip, why would you call it a tip? Tipping isn’t a requirement; it’s an expression of gratitude that should be justified, not expected.
And no, I don’t care what your wage is, and that it’s lower because the job is typically tipped. : )
Well I hope one day when you’re trying to make ends meet the person you work for decides that you don’t deserve your paycheck this week.
I worked as a bartender for years. While there were times I deserved a tip and didn’t get it, there were also times that I deserved the bad tip that was left.
That never bothered me.
I’m a very generous tipper when the staff deserves it. They don’t always deserve it.
I, like most normal people, tip based on service offer and time spent with a small factor of how much it cost. I’ve spent two hours getting a dollar cup of coffee refilled and left a five dollar tip, but I’m a bad guy because I would leave a 12% tip for a half hour meal? That’s over $8 an hour for my service alone (3 bucks + 1.32 for a half hour of work).
Greedy ass waitstaff.
I hope you don’t apply that same logic to tip delivery drivers.
You know, delivery drivers. The ones who are spending their own money (in gas and car repairs) to get you your food.
I don’t know how you arrived at the tip amount of $3.67. 15% of $26.86 is $4.02 … but then it also depends if the state charges sales tax or not. I don’t think it should be customary to tip on the sales tax. Oregon doesn’t…
I wish I made 2.65 an hour … our restaurant still pays us 2.13 an hour … and for the person that followed you with get a new job … some of us have degrees and can’t get a job with them … I’ve been told not enough experience BUT overqualified and they can’t pay me what my degree is worth! Just remember your servers are usually paying for school or trying to use their degree!
you make 2.65 phr + how many tips per hour? 3,4 maybe 5 , at 3.00 per sorry tip, thats 0ver 17.50 phr, and how much of that is really reported and taxed?.
15% is 3.67 (1980′s hopeful tip amount) 20% is 4.8
ugh, this is false logic.
The price of the meal tracks with inflation. This idea that servers haven’t had a raise because we’re still tipping 15% is ludicrous. If the tip percentage were indexed, then we’d be paying more for the tip than the meal at some future date…
Tip should have been a MINIMUM of $5 for a $26 dollar check.
I don’t know how it works in the US, but I’m a bit surprised… Is tipping mandatory? This seems completely stupid to me, tipping is meant to be something you give to a waiter that you found particularly nice, or funny, or just because you feel generous… If tipping is mandatory it no longer makes any sense. Why not put it in the base??
Bastien, from France
In the US, waiters make less than minimum wage as their base pay… it is different in every state, but in Florida it is $4.23/hour. Though tipping is not mandatory, it is expected. A 20% tip for good service is recommended.
OK that’s what I read in the comments below. How can people accept to be paid so little?? You can’t count on tips for making a living, that’s not sound… It’s supposed to be a bonus, not something you need to pay your bills and feed your kids. Go on strike!
While I was in college in Fla about 12 years ago, I did a stint of waitressing to pay the bills. And yes, back then it was something like 2.65. Basically, all it did was pay you enough for them to take your income tax out on it. So usually, if you were a decent server, your paycheque was 0. Your income is only whatever you made in tips, which is a s**tty living in Florida where the elderly think that a quarter is a good tip on a $12 bill.
If you think this sounds bad, well it gets better: Squirrel and the various software systems I used then automatically report for income tax purposes that you make a wage of 10% of the value of the tables you’ve turned, whether or not this is actually true. The good news is this works both ways so you don’t have to report more on a good night, but if you get saddled with a few douchebags or a lot of elderly Sunday after Church crowd, you end up having to beg your manager to knock the cost of some coffees or sodas off the bills so you’re not coming out in the negative. And THEN to boot, many restaurants ask the servers to forfeit another percentage of their income to a tip pool to pay the bus staff and host(ess).
Yes, this is terrible, and I think I probably averaged $10-$12 bucks an hour over the course of an 8 hour shift, probably as high as $15 on a good night, but this is considerably BETTER income than minimum wage in Florida, which at the time I was waitressing was a mere $5.15 an hour. Most fast food restaurants (of the TGIFridays, Applebee’s and like) do not have unionized waitstaff, so nothing to do about it but eventually move on.
So long story short, if you hate tipping in the US, learn to cook your own damn food or go to McDonald’s. If you want to be a good human being, leave 15%. If your server is awesome, reward them accordingly. Never leave less than 10% unless of course the server is terrible–trust me, they know when they deserve it.
What sort of messed up system is that? You are automatically assumed to earn money off of tables you served?
My family used to run several restaurants, waiters had a set wage, no matter how many tables they served. They were also asked to share the tips with the other staff who weren’t in direct contact with the customers (chefs). There is a reason for this; The waiter isn’t the only one working their ass off to satisfy the customer, the cleaning staff, chefs etc. also do their part. You want to take credit for their work?
The kitchen staff isn’t paid sub-minimum wage like the wait staff are. Sure, the people that are making the food might not get tipped, but they’re going to actually see their pay check. I used to be a manager for a large national pizza chain that switched to tip-credit for their drivers a few years ago. Drivers were paid like $5.15/hour (this was after the last min. wage increase to $7.25) and assumed to be tipped for the remained regardless of rather they actually made that or not. You had to report all your tips, and what was once upwards of a $300 paycheck every other week plus another ~$100 per week in tips became ~$120 checks and $100 weekly tips. All the while, the drivers were still stuck paying for all of their gas and repairs. Meanwhile, we… the people making the pizzas had no real work expenses, were all making $7.50 on up. And keep in mind that with the tips, that was a good week, while I was still a driver, there were times I didn’t even make enough to cover gas.
So, to sum it up, sure kitchen staff may bust their ass just the same as the wait staff… but the kitchen staff knows they’re going to get paid regardless.
That sort of company structure is not practiced here, it’s probably illegal too. Drivers, waiters and chefs are employed and have set wages. The cars are owned by the employers or rented, and the gas bill paid for too. A waiter will earn at least 800€ (full-time), only the head-chef earns significantly more. Tips do not have to be reported either to my knowledge, the employer probably has no right to force that either.
Therefore:
Dear americans,
if you ain’t getting paid properly, don’t do the work.
sincerely, europe
For anyone who isn’t in the US and doesn’t understand our tipping system, it is expected that customers will pay between 15 and 20 % for normal good service. Something extraordinary would get more, and poor service might get less. Because of this in many states waiters get below minimum wage. This doesn’t make it a bad job or a stupid decision (depending on where you work and what nights the pay can be quite good). It’s just a different system. The next time you’re getting crap service take a second to wonder whether that would change if 80% of the waiter’s pay was in tips. I’m not making an argument for right or wrong, but that’s how this system works and if it didn’t work at all it would probably change.
I can’t count on two hands the number of times I’ve “forgotten something at the table” to leave extra tip when I’m out with European friends who aren’t used to this system ^_^
It shouldn’t make a difference to the quality of service whatsoever. If waiters are paid properly, then they are also fired by their boss if they don’t provide quality service to the customer.
But it still, it’s good tone to leave a 10% tip, unless you are a student.
Many restaurants take most of their servers’ salaries out of tips as an incentive to provide good service. $3.14 on a $26.86 tab is pretty cheap. I normally tip about that much on $12-15 tab. For $26.86, you should tip about $5 if the service was good, maybe less if it wasn’t so good.
I’d tip roughly 10% (2.7$ in this case), unless I received great service. In that case I would tip 15%-20%. But please bear in mind that #1 waiters are paid properly here and #2 I’d have difficulty spending less than 30$ even when eating out on my own. A normal bill, for two people, for a starter, main course and drinks is at least 70$. I think receiving 7$-14$ per table in addition to your normal wage is fair enough.
On a side note: Many European waiters say they prefer having less tip-money to having to put up with american customers. So perhaps the larger tip-size also compensates the waiters for their customers?
Go on strike? What would that do? Unions are kneecapped in this country, not that there’s a union for servers to start with anyway. If all the servers in a restaurant went on strike, you know what would happen? The double-digit-percent unemployed population would raise their hands to take the jobs of everyone who was about to be fired for going on strike.
High unemployment makes striking a quick way to get fired and replaced.
“make less than the minimum wage” – In parts of the US. Civilized states like WA and CA actually pay the normal minimum wage.
That would make sense, Bastien, but for some reason it’s just a deeply ingrained cultural thing, now. But for the record, most American’s are happy to leave 20%. Only the occasional douche (as seen above) questions the system.
So what you’re saying is that people who aren’t filthy rich and don’t have a bunch of extra money to throw around are douches? That’s not right. Some people only make enough to enjoy eating out once in a while, and I don’t think they want to spend upwards or $30+ to eat out. It’s the restaurant’s problem if they overcharge on their meals(which many do). Would-be waiters/waitresses should expect that to be the case. Besides, it’s better than nothing at all! If you don’t like your tip, deal with it. At least you actually got something out of it!
By the way, most fast food workers work their asses off, and even if they have a higher minimum wage, they usually get paid less because they rarely EVER get tips! Consider yourself lucky.
“So what you’re saying is that people who aren’t filthy rich and don’t have a bunch of extra money to throw around are douches?”
No, it’s saying that if you can’t afford to pay for a service, you don’t use that service.
“Some people only make enough to enjoy eating out once in a while, and I don’t think they want to spend upwards or $30+ to eat out.”
Sorry, but you have even less of an excuse for not tipping, or tipping poorly, if you rarely eat out. Why? Because your tipping “expense” will hardly affect you. It’s not something that you’ll be paying every day.
Would it really hurt you to give a few dollars more? That money often means more to a server than it will to you.
“Besides, it’s better than nothing at all! If you don’t like your tip, deal with it. At least you actually got something out of it!”
People like you are nauseating. You’ll justify your stinginess at all costs.
I hope you work in a service related field at some point in your life.
You seem to like to demonize people who don’t tip “enough”.
Your job should pay you enough to work it, period. You shouldn’t have to live based on the generosity of strangers, that’s just glorified panhandling.
Tips are a reward for service, and should be treated as such.
0%-5% for bad/poor service, 10-15% for ok/good service, 20% for exceptional service.
The tip in the OP was 10%, enough to imply the service was acceptable but easily could have been better. We can speculate as to whether or not that was the case, or we can speculate as to whether they also left a cash tip as well, but in the end that’s a lot of assumptions to be making based only on a picture with an amusing joke.
While I generally just keep a rule to try and tip at least $5, it’s not like the wait staff volunteered to be paid next to nothing. In a lot of cases, it’s all they can find. In hard times, something is better than nothing. While the same could be said about the tip in and of itself, you’re not being taxed on the tip. The waitress that didn’t bring your drink to you the second you sat your fatass down however, is… regardless of rather or not she even got one.
Tipping is part of the cost of eating out! If you can’t afford it, don’t eat out. It’s the same if you can’t afford the insurance on a sports car, buy something you can afford. Don’t make hard working people suffer because you feel entitled to take advantage of them.
Who’s taking advantage of you is your employer, not the people who go out to eat. I can’t believe they’re even allowed to give people below-minimum wages. I lived in a sub-developed country in latin america, and even here things aren’t this bad.
Here waiters and delivery people get at least minimum wage. Taxes are low (or none) if your income is low. Tipping is totally voluntary, but 10% is a standard if you eat out. For delivery tip is totally optional, since they use a company vehicle and don’t have to pay for the gas.
You need better laws guys, your politicians are not working for you. They allow your employers to enslave you. And you’re so used to it, you think the problem is that people don’t tip enough.
Tipping is service related, end of. If the service is poor, the tip should reflect that. It isn’t rocket science.
we make 2.65 an hour douche
“We make 2.65 an hour douche”
Read : to unintelligent to get a real job.
It’s bad karma to insult someone on their occupation. Who knows what the future has in store. You might end up with that kind of job one day.
Still better to work than to sit around all day waiting for a welfare cheque.
Um, if I were going to call someone unintelligent, I’d first make sure I understood the difference between “to” and “too.”
Read: too unintelligent to know how to use homonyms correctly
*too
Yes. Your reasoning sounds great!
11% isn’t THAT shoddy.
I guess it depends on what great country you’re from.
Maybe he had sub-par service. The standard 18% is for standard service, its not mandatory by any means. I usually leave 20-25% but I’ve been known to leave 10% or less if the server is bad (and I do take into account how busy they are as well . . . if they are swamped one can only do so much).
awesome, except that it is only ~10%
Yea, cheap bastard. Hope he enjoyed the free spit they served him.
You figure they spit into the food before they serve it, on the idea that he might be a poor tipper?
Nah, they just went back in time.
‘Only 10%’? I don’t anything wrong with that, our servers get a decent salary, unlike yours…
lol, i’m a server and i make less than 3 dollars an hour… but you never know if the person that left that tip also left cash but couldn’t pass up the opportunity to use pi on the receipt.
You are probably the first person to realize the significance. We are always out to pass judgement. People getting this worked up over a dollar. Its still just a dollar and who knows if they deserved a good tip.
You know they get a normal salary excluding the tip as well, right?
no they don’t. A server is paid $2.13 an hour, which almost always is completely taken towards taxes. I’m a server and I just get a pay stub telling me how much went towards social security, etc. and a check for $0.00.
if your boss is paying you under minimum after tip, you are getting robbed. they are required by law to pay you at minimum wage(including tip) and if the tip is not enough to bump you up to minimum, they need to increase your wage to the point where it does.
That may be the case but having worked in several restaurants I can tell you that doesn’t happen. Restaurants pay below minimum wage because of the assumption of the tip. If that could get changed it would be awesome, in Europe waiters make salaries, but in most parts of America waiters are working for tips only.
America: land of the (working for) free
That’s because waitressing is seen in a completely different light in Europe than in America. In Germany, at least, you have to go to college and get a certified waiter degree before restaurants will hire you. (Not joking)
In America, you normally have the 18 year old, just out of high school kids doing it because they need something to help pay for their college bills.
Not true: you do an apprenticeship; yet even this is no longer a requirement — there are plenty of restaurants employing students and others on the 400 Euro job-basis.
In civilized states, servers actually make the real minimum wage (WA, CA, etc.)
Nope, that’s criminal, try €8,60 instead.
~11.69%
drools
*head asplodes*
At least Canada wasn’t involved.
It feels funny in there. Did you give me extra brainz?
Mmmm…pi
now i want whipped cream…real whipped cream
ummm pumpkin pi
You can’t have my brainz!
I wonder how ZA feels about pumpkin pi flavored brains.
Y not? nom nom nom
*wakes up from food coma*
*feels chin*
Did I get whacked??????
Thanks, Gracie!
*dodges another bullet*
whew
Prezacktly.
you guys are TOTALY F@Gs
Except for Mr. Cuddles. He is gay.
And the cuddle puddle.
zoi le premier!
Lousy tipping cheapskate! Oh yah… Did he died?
11.7% tip? How is that a win?
The fact that the tip is in geek is the win.
Cute jokes don’t pay rent.
How do you know there wasn’t cash left on the table? Don’t assume.
*cooks anti-joke chicken and serves with pumpkin pi*
Poor work ethic shouldn’t either.
/assumption
wai~!!! *onnomnom*
Pull your stick out of your ass.
Bear in mind that the base amount probably includes some sales tax, upon which people normally don’t tip, so it’s probably a little better than 11.7%, but still not entirely generous.
However, thank you Failblog for finally posting something amusing and intelligent for a change.
Or he could have written it as a fraction like this , 22/7, 333/106, 355/113, 103993/33102, 104348/33215
Except none of those is equal to pi.
3.14 is not equal to pi either.
Should have left two pi’s for a fair tip
Oh, you mean Tau.
*snorks*
For the greater good!
We’re all Fire Warriors!
Buahahaha!!!!
“Pi + 1 = your tip”. Would have been nicer or at least closer to 15%
a) could have been cash left at the table.
b) 12% isn’t terrible. If a server at a $10-$15 a plate restaurant like this one gets 10%-15% tips for 20 hours a week, I’ll bet money he’s pulling in a couple thousand a month.
12% is a perfectly reasonable tip. Somewhere along the line the service industry convinced us that we needed to pay them 20% for no reason at all.
I mean if the service is exceptional, I might go to, or over, 20%. But to simply expect 20% from every customer is a good example of what’s wrong with America these days…
You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. These people bust their ass. This is a hard job.
Or they could consider paying acceptable minimum wages.
Other countries are literally laughing at us about this. Pay a fair wage, and tipping will just go away.
i wouldn’t mind paying more and tipping for exceptional service.
Yes, yes we are literally laughing at you. And no, tipping stays. If we liked the waiter and service we gladly pay more.
Depends where in the world this is. If it’s a place where restaurants are required to pay are staff minimum wage or above, then I’d say 10% is pretty fair. If it’s like many places in the US though, then yeah, it sucks.
In order for the restaurant to pay their servers a salary the food cost would have to increase significantly and people would complain about that just as much. The problem isn’t servers who expect to paid for the job they do FOR YOU. It’s the people who expect to have food cooked for them and served to them and dishes cleaned for them for cheap. If you can’t afford a 20% tip, don’t eat at a restaurant where there are servers.
The cost of food would increase significantly but then nobody would have to tip and staff wouldn’t suffer because people are cheap arses. Many places in the world do it this way and even a few states in America. Eating out is a luxury, not a cheap-food solution.
You do the work for the employer, not the customer. You do it because it is the job you CHOSE. No one forces you to be a server. And you shouldn’t expect 20% on every bill because you want it. It should be based on your service quality.
I agree waiting tables is a hard job, but there are a LOT of jobs that are as hard or harder that people don’t get tipped at all for.
> If you can’t afford a 20% tip, don’t eat at a restaurant where there are servers.
I could easily afford a 100% tip or more on anything I eat, but that doesn’t mean you and your sense of entitlement deserves it. In general: if you think you -deserve- 20%, you’re likely getting <10%.
You have no idea that he doesn’t have an idea about what he’s talking about. I’ve had friends who have worked as waiters, and I worked in fast food for two years. Someone should tell me if and when the expected tip amount jumped from 15% to 20%. Sounds like more of the entitlement complex to me.
There was an editorial in the New York Times a year or two ago opining that the standard tip ought to be 20%. Just one person’s opinion, of course, but Times restaurant reviewers are pretty influential…
Oprah stated on her show that she thought the average tip should go down to 10% just because the economy was bad… She got such an internet backlash that you can’t even find the clip anymore. However, this statement coming from the richest woman in entertainment shouldn’t leave anyone wondering why there are protesters on wallstreet!
Yeah, that’s something that annoys the crap out of me. In the 70s and 80s, 10-15% was the normal range of tips. Now they’re trying to convince me that a normal tip is 20%? Sorry, 15% is my base, and the service I get determines whether I go higher or lower. And I’m sticking to that 15% for the rest of my life, so the industry better not try and convince us that we should be tipping 25 or 30% in the years to come.
I’m a firm beleiver in tipping for good service (by waitstaff or their helpers), and I’ve been known to tip as much as 150% a couple of times. But when I’ve had exceptionally good service, I don’t just leave a tip – I’ll make it a point to talk to the manager and make them aware of how good that particular person is at doing their job, and tell them they deserve a raise because a tip is not enough.
In Britain tip is generally 10% – so he could be being generous…
And in Britain they use pounds, not dollars.
How does that change the %?
It doesn’t but there wouldn’t be a “$” in front of 26 there would be a pound sign.
It doesn’t change the %, it just means that this particular case is obviously not from Britain.
British money is worth something
Had the price been $15.86, 3.14 would be 20% tip but would add up to $19.00…
Nerd fail.
fail… you can’t tip a fraction of a penny. You must leave your tip in 1 cent increments.
I just bought gas for $3.659 per gallon. Trust me, they didn’t make me cut a penny.
I heard a rumo(u)r that Leila was here.
Leila?? Where?!?!
I gotta go then, alsotooaswell.
*plays the balalaika*
Now we need a hornpipe and a vuvuzela-playing Moomin.
*has an awe*
*misses moomin*
Brewski? Leila????
*sighs*
did you figure it out that I’m zooomz?
I can’t remember but it had to do with my email changing at work and that was connected to the other avatar. so I tried to come up with something similar….except people who didn’t know me as zooomz probably just think I am tired ha ha ha ha
yaaaaay
*snuggles in close*
Wow. What a flashback. Hi all!
BREWSKI!! total flashback
*remembers Friday cuddle puddles*
Here in BC 12% of that bill is tax up to 18% if alcohol is involved. I do not tip tax men so the tip is more than appropriate from where I sit. Besides, given the quality service that I’ve been getting over the last few years most servers are lucky to be tipped at all. Tips are earned not expected as a stipend to poor wages. If you don’t like your job or wages, quit or organize. If you just hate to serve become a politician.
Have you considered that you get poor service because you returned to a restaurant where you had previously stiffed a waiter? Because they don’t forget and I won’t waste my time on a customer who repeatedly stiffs my coworkers on tips.
So, you wouldn’t give basic service to a customer because he/she didn’t tip someone else to your expectations? I pay for my food, for the service and convenience. If you treat me well, i.e. you don’t ignore us, don’t act like you would rather be anywhere else, wait on other tables more than mine because they are buying alcohol and you think you will get a bigger tip…..you will get a good tip. I’m not asking you to smile constantly and treat me like I’m your sun and your world revolves around me. I realize some restaurants make you meet salary requirements with tips, and I think thats wrong. But, you get your really good tips from me when you give me consistent, good service, every time I visit. If you are not getting a good tip from me every time I visit, its because your service is bad. So that person ‘stiffing’ your co-workers may be doing that because you, and your co-workers, give him lousy service when he comes in. Chicken or the egg? Give me bad service one time, and I’m going to be very very judgemental on the service the next time I come in.
If you can’t afford at least a 15% tip (here in the USA that is) don’t go to a service restaurant and stick to McDonald’s or Wendy’s. Servers generally make minimum wages -$3 or $4 dollars because corporate America deems that customers should pay our wages, not our bosses. My last paycheck was for $13.06 so we quite literally live on tips. If you aren’t prepared to tip a decent amount, go to fast food instead, period.
Your employer is supposed to make up the difference if your tips are below minimum wage.
So don’t try that sob story.
That is simply untrue. US Federal law says the minimum wage for servers is about $2.13. The employer is under no obligation to “make up the difference.”
No, it is true. From the Department of Labor website:
“If an employee’s tips combined with the employer’s direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.”
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
You’re wrong… wrong the department of labor website:
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee’s tips combined with the employer’s direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
Why dont you work for McDonald where the paycheck is more.. obviously you make more on tips here, so stop whining you whimp. If you cant afford a life get another job.. or stand at an intersection and panhandle because that what your expectations are when you want a larger tip.
I wouldn’t ignore them by any means. But you will receive the bare minimum of my service, especially if I knew that you had your drinks refilled promptly without having ask and food quickly and correctly, etc. If your standards are impossible to please then yes I would pay more attention to another table because I know there will be a reward. It’s not like I’m there to get money for fun. I have rent and bills and extremely expensive school books to buy, I can’t tell my landlord “oh, my table only tipped 10%, but they said I did a good job, so here’s half my rent and I’ll be a good tenant.”
If the service is poor you’re entitled to tip less. That’s the benefit of wages based on tipping. And thank you for understanding that a night out is a luxury that can’t be afforded everyday. My frustration is directed towards people who make their servers suffer based on principles like “I don’t believe in tipping”.
Also, the restaurant I work for adjusts hours down, if you don’t get minimum wage, then on the record you worked less hours.
But it would be alright for your landlord to demand 20% extra rent because he changed the light bulb in the hallway and kept the apartment heated in accordance with regulations?
No, but that’s why you pay a set rate, a server’s salary is not included in your check total like a landlord’s is.
As a server, I can’t call this a win. That tip would definitely be a win on a $16.86 tab. As it is it was a alright, tip is barely over 10% which hasn’t been a decent tip since the 70′s. If you are a math geek enough to know what pi is numerically you should be able to figure out 20%. Also we work hard. We get your food in front of you in a timely manner. Don’t punch you when every time we come to the table someone wants something else, when we have already made ten consecutive trips (And if everyone was listening when we asked if there would be anything else it would have taken one). Laugh at your jokes. (No we can’t get you a million dollars, when we ask if you want anything else we mean something feasible, and we have heard that damn joke four times a day since ever stop it) We do this all with a smile and rarely complain about it. To the poster that doesn’t tip on tax. Alright I get that. I don’t see a subtotal up there though so lets assume that there is a 10 percent tax added to that by my calculations that’s about $24 dollars. 20% is $4.80. Pi would be around 13%. Which is pretty s**tty. I swear if everyone was forced to work just one summer as a server, the world would be a better place. In most states servers get paid around $2.33 per hour. I rarely get a paycheck. Going to school to get out, but 13% tips aren’t going to pay the bills.
Also many restaurants only allow you to take three tables at a time, so we can’t count on volume to make up the difference.
Why, pray tell, do you think a 10% tip in the 70s was okay, but now you deserve 20%? In both cases, they are a percentage of the cost of the food, which scales with inflation. So why do you think you deserve 2x what your 70s counterpart did?
Cost of living has doubled, our hourly pay has not.
I did not see the scaled to inflation comment. Can you as a person live off of $250 a week? With car insurance, car payment, health insurance, food and rent? Because that is what I would have made the last four months if people tipped me ten percent. I give great service, and those people in the 70′s were running 10-15 tables, at once in order to make sure they could pay their bills, unless it was at a 4 star restaurant where their over inflated pricing would make up the difference. I do not have that luxury as my restaurant has a three table maximum per server limit. As it is I make about 20k a year. Still not excellent but I get by.
The service was transcendental!
trick or treat
The real fail here is rounding pi.
No tipping is good.
Pay a decent wage and do away with tips.
If you want show appreciation for exceptional service then add a tip. It should not be regarded as part of a wage.
Then go ahead and offer the restaurant $5- $10 more dollars per entree so they can set aside a budget to pay servers’ wages… you’re going to pay for the service either way, quit being a cheap ass.
$5-10 = $0.15 * x ; or x = $33.33 – $66.66 per entree. Somehow I doubt that’s our average diner’s meal.
The average meal at the restaurant where I work is actually about $25. A %20 tip is $5… so you can tip that or you can pay $32.75 so the restaurant can afford my $7.25 minimum wage… your choice.
Tubbers, the problem isn’t the tippers – it’s your corporate masters who have convinced the politicians that’s it’s all right for them to sluff responsibility for paying you on to their customers.
Businesses have been getting away with treating tips as living wages for far too long, driven by the large corporate chains. Don’t take your anger out on us and tell us we’re the cheapskates – instead, you should be appealing to us to help you stand up to the politicians and force them bring parity to your wages.
Let’s do some basic math here: You said your salary is $2.13 an hour, and you have to split your tips with the bussers (you don’t say percentage, though), that your average meal ticket was $25 and you I beleive you were the one who said you can only have 3 tables at a time.
So three tables at a time, averaging 1 hour per table, with a $25 bill per table is about $75 per hour that the restaraunt earns, right? Now, you make $2.13 an hour, and the difference between that and the minimum wage of $7.25 is $5.03, correct?
Assuming you have to split half your tips with the bussers (but you probably don’t have to split that much), you need to earn $10.06 in tips. That means that you earn minimum wage at a 13.41% tip rate. The less you actually have to give to the bussers and host/hostesses, the less your tip rate can be to earn minimum wage. Higher bill amounts make the percentages even less.
Kind of hard to feel sorry for you when you look at the numbers that way.
But that’s not the real point of my math exercise – you’re telling me that we’ll have to expect to add $7.75 to the price of our meal to pay for the restaraunt to afford to pay you minimum wage. That’s flat out wrong. First of all, there is the difference between what you’re already paid and minimum wage – $7.25-2.13=$5.03. And that’s being divided by three tables, or $1.68 per bill. That’s really not a huge jump in prices, and I, for one, would rather pay that little bit extra than have waitstaff whine about how hard they have it.
You’re also not clear if that $25 meal average is per table or per person. If it’s not per table, as I assume, but per person, then the numbers are even more in your favor.
I’m really not trying to beat you up over asking people not to be cheapasses. But I really beleive that many times when you put a variable component to a price that is up to the customer, you’re going to end up getting stiffed. Waitstaff shouldn’t have to put up with that simply because it makes the businesses more profitable for the owners, and gives them a convenient scapegoat for their employees anger.
Also, many restraurants include the tip into the base cost and then allow you to over-tip. They also insist on tip sharing with others including Mgmn’t. So if you choose to go there be prepared for some unpleasant surprises! And as far as the US goes, I’ve been out for so long that I don’t have a clue or want to. I’m happy to see the people finally standing up and saying enough is enough and if it takes another “Revolution” so be it! People working for 8 to 10 hrs for $3 an hr is absured and then relying on tips from people making little more? Is that supply side economics? Regonomics? What? Please remember to pay your taxes this week or your “Politicians” won’t be able to have thier fancy feasts!
I actually appreciate the tipping system when used properly. As a server, I could make great money when I provided great service. Each day was direct feedback as to how I was doing in my job.
As a patron, I appreciate being able to give more than the standard 20% to give a thanks to someone who did a great job or giving less than the standard 20% to let someone know that they need to step up their game.
As a result, I feel that I get much better service in countries where tipping is customary than in those where it is not. If the US changed the tipping system, good servers would likely make less money, and patrons would not be able to adjust the amount paid for the food to account for lackluster service.
Patrons are allowed to lower the amount paid for a lackluster meal in a restaurant by 30%.
If I’d got that bill and noticed the total, I would totally have tipped pi because it’s irrestable. And left some change on the table.
I tip for service, crappy service gets no tip at all, if you barely serve me you get %10, and if the service is good you get %20, and for exceptional service I have tipped up to %40 before. Just because you work for less doesn’t mean I have to pay your bills, do a good job and get a good tip! Simple!
These comments are retarded… Why is everyone assuming that 1) he didn’t leave an extra tip in cash and 2) that the waiter was good enough to actually deserve 15-20%. We don’t have enough info in either case so can we just appreciate the humor please?
As a hostess, I get tipped out by the waitstaff, I handle all the transactions at the till and am consitantly asked, how much of a tip should I leave by the customers, I recommend at least 20%…It seems fair, after all these people are catering to your needs and always checking on you unlike a fast food chain or drive thru, so yeah they deserve a little something extra.. If you dont want to tip then go thru the fast food drive thru!
As new generations become increasingly more entitled good service is becoming increasingly more rare. Try not having so much disdain for every customer from the second they show up. You can’t have a bad attitude and still expect a maximum tip to be default
That being said a 20% tip is yours to lose when I walk in the door
Agreed! And I’ve been a server. I did the best I could and took whatever tips I got! This was 10 years ago however when tipping wasn’t looked at as a requirement. I made $2.15 an hour but I didn’t have a problem getting good tips!
Who the hell cares about the amount someone tips…
He wrote pi instead of 3.14.
Laugh or gtfo…
Exactly!
We can’t assume anything on this. We don’t even know where the receipt is from. Here in San Francisco servers get paid at least minimum wage (9 something an hour) on top of tips and there’s very few restaurants that are under $20 a plate. It’s very hard to get a server job. They’re in high demand! We also have high taxes, 10%, and special restaurant service fees or health fees (I forget what they’re called). This receipt doesn’t show any of that and you’re not required to tip on taxes and fees. The meal itself may have cost a bit less so we don’t really have all the information for figuring an exact percent for the tip. It’s just clever they thought to use the pie symbol. That’s probably what influenced their tip amount anyways.
This is perfectly reasonable for a buffet where all the waitresses do is take your plates and maybe get you a drink.
Also note: Sexism
Of course the part that all waiters forget to mention is that, while your hourly wage is low and customers’ tips are meant to complete it, their employers are legally bound to pay at least the minimum wage were the tips not to suffice.
Where I work we tip the bussers based on what we make, if I make less serving, your percious busser isn’t getting s**t either
All of the Waiters saying “we don’t make Minimum wage, we only make $2.65 an hour” You DO make minimum wage read
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
You have a Minimum wage job, you are just lucky to make more.
Our F#$king tax in Canada is 13% so I always just tip the tax plus a little extra to get to around 15%
I always leave 10% tips. That seems a fair amount to me and I don’t ever get weird looks from the waiters. Especially in this case where it makes a round sum. Sometimes I tip more than that if it makes a round sum like in this case. I don’t live in America though, so I’m not used to taking it from behind and enjoying like you guys do. I would be really pissed off at this system. I’m paying you for the food and then I have to pay your workers too on the side? Why don’t you do that yourself you greedy bastard?!? You are not paying the waiter, you are paying the restaurant/bar/whatever owner. Think about it! The waiter would get payed anyway or else he wouldn’t work, so the extra money you pay actually goes in the owners pocket. He’s actually robbing the worker of his salary and you all take part in this and your government supports it! Be proud of yourself though and don’t forget to eat your burgers!
There are some restaurants that don’t have bussers! Something to watch for ! At the restaurant where I work, all servers are expected to keep an eye on everyones tables at once and buss each others tables! The only FOH (front of house for you non restaurant folks) we have is greeters, bartenders, and servers! We are given 3 – 4 tables at a time (shift leaders can have as many as 8 at a time so up to 32 people at once)
And to everyone else reading… I promise that $1 per person does not equal a good tip unless you’re eating at McDonalds!
Everyone is assuming this is for a restaurant visit. I tip when I get carry out. I do not tip 20% (usually about 10% but usually never less than $3) when I get carry out for the simple fact that I did not get “service” above them putting my food in a bag and ringing me up. Not only that … I HAVE left NO tip before on very bad service. I had a waitress one time reach over me to pour tea into the glass of the person sitting next to them then spill the tea IN MY PLATE. All she did was say, “Oops, sorry” then walk away while I was left with tea drenched fries and a soggy burger bun. Everyone tips based on their own experiences and to say someone is a cheapskate based on a photo is a bit unfair.
Why, in the name of anything would you tip for take-out? Do you tip everyone? Like the Meter-maid giving you a ticket, the checkout guy at the hardware store? People like you are just driving this insane “I give you more money for just doing your job”! Once again shaking my head!
Why would someone tip for take out? Probably because a 10% tip is customary and in many restaurants, the take out staff is only paid minimum wage for the shift, they take the order, send the order to the kitchen, box up the food, include little niceties like plastic ware and napkins, arrange any drink orders, and cash you out. They pretty much do 75% of what a server would do for you, except they don’t have the ability to check up on you and get you refills.
There are jobs where tipping is not customary and jobs where tipping is customary. In the latter, the tip is factored into the cost of what you’re receiving and the wages paid to the staff. If you don’t want to tip, then avoid these services.
BS
I’m so glad I’m in Belgium where there’s no such thing as tipping. Just pay what’s on the bill.
You guys really need to liven up. It’s just meant to make it an even number. It’s a joke. That waiter could have been rubbish or that might not have actually been given, just written doen because it looked good. That guy might have only gone out with $30 not everyone is rich. You guys are just complaining that he didnt tip enough? Gosh you’re lives are dull.
If you are so broke that you can’t afford a proper tip, you can’t afford to eat there. It’s upsetting when someone short changes another person just because they’re a low-life cheapskate.
What is really sad is, that you ppl expect to be tipped no matter what. Are you saying that people who also work their asses off aren’t allowed a night out every once in a while, if they don’t earn enough?
I don’t think we should be tipped no matter what, I do think that in most restaurants with the training and number tables allowed, there should be only a few extreme cases where you don’t get excellent service. Excellent service should = 20% tip. Problem is many people think tips like this are great for excellent service. We all are just trying to be more vocal about it. Also I would LOVE for there to be a no tipping policy in the united states. Problem is you’d have to pay the servers near what the average per hour they make. I guarantee that the major restaurant companies would NOT like to pay their server’s $20-35 an hour. You would not like your $35 dollar plate of spaghetti either.
I work my ass off everyday, do you think I deserve to drive a ferrari once a month just because it would be nice? do you think I deserve a new iphone and mac book? there are somethings you simply can’t afford on a budget. if a $5 tip is one of them, then no you don’t “deserve” it.
If you can’t afford the five dollar tip then you should reconsider where you are eating, and eat at home. It’s cheaper. I do it all the time. Or we look for coupon’s that give us close to twenty percent off and pay the full amount. There are a thousand ways to make sure that everyone in the situation is happy. Tipping 10% isn’t one of them. Unless they genuinely gave you crap service, then f them and don’t tip at all. I’m actually less pissed when I get stiffed then when I get 10%.
My first thougt after reading some comments was, Have any of you considered that maybe the person left a few dollars in addition to the pi? I’m glad there are some people here with the same thought. Maybe I’m in the minority that isn’t quick to pessimism.
Why have most or all commenters assumed the USA as the location of the event? It could have been Canada/Australia/any country where the currency symbol is $.
I think it was clever of the person to realize that Pi to 2 decimal places made the total a nicely rounded amount. And I agree with the poster above who pointed out that some cash might have been left as well.
As for the tip being generous or not, the discussions just show that tipping is not universal nor is the amount to tip standard anywhere.
If a waiter believes he/she has a God given right to a tip, then my tip won’t be “pi”, it will be “i”
Well… I’d tip i(inf) in that case.
It’s really nice of all the waiters and waitresses to have come to the aid of the person served this customer. I wonder if they were the one who posted this…because someone clearly thought this was pretty funny. I mean the customer did, or he wouldn’t have written it on the bill, but do you suppose they gave it back to him after so he could post it online? I think maybe the server did it, and thought it was funny too. And that was nice. But thanks for sticking up for him/her just the same all you folks with something you needed to get off your chests. I bet you feel a little better now…
Ummmm…could I get a refill, if you get a chance?
Over 200 replies and not ONE Reservoir Dogs joke? For shame, Internet, for shame.
(Non-anglo non-american writing here, but…. guys, CHILL. It’s a pic on a comedy site ffs)
In the UK, giving more than 10% as a tip is considered generous. Although that might have something to do with the fact that it’s illegal to give waiters less than the minimum wage as their base pay…
Also, I have the feeling meals tend to be more expensive here.
In this thread: Bad tippers who should lose their office jobs and have to wait tables for a few years.
This^
Call me mean if you want but I tip on quality of service. If reasonable expectations are met then they get a good tip, 20%, if they didn’t meet reasonable expectations then they get 10% or, on the rare occasion 0%. Yep, I’ve tipped 0%, she did a terrible job, had a terrible personality, was totally rude, we only saw her to take our order, bring it to us and bring our bill, she never once refilled drinks. She got no extra $, I just wrote on a napkin to be a smartass “Your tip: When the light turns green, go.”.
Tipping shouldn’t be mandatory, it should be a reflection on quality of service. If service sucked they get little, if anything, if it was great service they get more. Servers and waiters need to understand that tipping is meant to be feedback for their quality of work and if they get less they need to step up and do better the next time. They shouldn’t expect a certain amount of money and give terrible service. If they need more money to pay bills they need to realize they should probably be doing a better job and maybe save some money whenever they can just in case there is a rough patch.
Very well said. How stupid is tipping in this country? I have a story for you.
About 30 years ago, I had a paper route. After doing my collections one saturday afternoon, I decided to treat my 12 year old self to a small dish of Ice Cream at Swenson’s Ice Cream Parlor. Because this was like 1983, the ice cream cost $1.
When I was finished eatingmy ice cream, the waitress said something about expecting a tip. Keep mind she’s saying this to a 12 year old boy spending his paper route money for a $1 bowl of ice cream.
I laughed because obviously she was joking. But when I started to leave she went ballistic about how I was horrible person and how her kids would starve because I didn’t leave 20 cents on the counter.
You morons in the service industry have no one to blame but yourselves…
1) It may have been pizza/Chinese delivery for all you know
2) He/She could have also left a cash tip ( some people only use their account with whole numbers to make balancing easier. – like my parents )
3) The service my have been shit
4) The check was split with a second person who left a cash tip
5) Why does it even matter!? The point was it was funny to tip ans ‘pi’
6) Get a grip. If you don’t like nerd humor that’s on you but leave it alone. You have no idea the story behind it.
Interesting to see that most of the users on this site are from the US. Not surprising though. I agree that in the US it was a s**tty tip, because people have to live off tips, which is ridiculous in it’s own right. Here in Canada it’s illegal not to pay minimum wage to servers, so different story. I wish there was less of an ethnocentric bias to replies, but maybe that is like wishing pigs could fly.
A friend of mine left a nerd tip of $4.04 when they had a really bad waiter. I’ll let you all figure out the nerdy symbolism of that amount.
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TIPS: To Insure Proper Service…
good service=good tips…if the service sucks, so will your tips…common sense!!!
To all the whiny people out there complaining about the tip…if you don’t like living on tips, then get a different profession. Otherwise, serve people with professionalism and friendliness and they will tip you properly.
My opinion is, if the waiter or waitress made my meal a better experience then the tip is better. I aim at 15% but if the services is great I go overboard. If the service is extremely crappy (I had to ask for something to drink 3 times before something was brought, I had to get up and get something myself because the person went on a smoke break, etc) well, then it just depends on how bad it was. I try not to ever go below 15% but can’t say it hasn’t happened.
Oh, and I loved the Pi joke.
I’m with Mr Pink on the tipping thing, but I’ve never waited tables. A nice tip to round up a square meal, impossible, no? If I was leaving a tip, e+π might have upped the geek factor, leaving a total in the 2^5 range.