Just because an organization has a lot of money doesn’t mean they need to spend it. $202.5 Million is a lot of taxpayer dollars.
If they hired 225 employees at $30,000 a piece for a full year this would be great, but my SUSPICION is that the firm owner will earn more than $30,000 from this project this year which means either less workers or lower-paid workers… So, you are right, I don’t know how many workers there are, but I DO know that 225 people COULD be employed at $30,000 per year for that same money.
We are in a global recession, and this deal stinks to high Heaven.
BTW – I don’t know you guys, but I hope those supporting this move are above the poverty line. I get tired of talking to people who live below the poverty line talking as though they understand how large sums of money are allocated. I won’t say what I do, but I deal with LARGE sums of $$$ daily, and unless you’ve been there you just don’t get it.
BTW – my $202.5 million figure is based upon a five day work week for one year, I don’t know that they will be working for a year, but it’s not an unreasonable thought.
Considering that the firm’s services would top out at about 32 mil a year(assuming they charged for every day of the year), I agree. All they have to do is save 32mil and they’ve already broke even on the deal.
90k a day = about 32 millions a year. not too bad, as the governments deal with hundreds of billions. and before you call bias, I don’t know anything about Candian politics and the parties there
The Harper government – the Conservatives/Tories are rougly our equivalent of the Republicans. Still fairly far left by American standards, but far right by Canadian ones.
And just as prone to the stupid pork-barrelling and tough-on-crime rhetoric as their southern counterparts. This is one of those instances.
Actually, Canada’s debt was crazy high many years before Stephen Harper became leader of the Conservative party and many many politicians and parties are responsible for the actual financial state of this contry. Anyone remember/know of Jean Chretien and most previous Canada’s Prime Minister’s doing? However, it’s true that Canada’s standards for the Left/Right are very different than American’s ones. This is even worst in Quebec, where most people consider someone slightly ‘left-centered’ as a ‘Right extremist’.
Yes our debt was “high” before Harper but we were paying it down and didn’t have a deficit. Jean Chretien’s government was the one that gave Canada a budget surplus they didn’t increase the debt. Before him we had another Conservative government that increased our debt with Brian Mulrony and now we have a current Conservative government increasing our debt again. Yes there was a recession but they still were touting “there won’t be a recession” when everyone else saw it coming. Either way the point of this story is we should need to pay 90k a day to figure out how to balance the budget… Considering our useless PM keeps touting that he’s a “economist” maybe he should earn his 200k a year and figure it out…
Deloitte is one of the best consulting firms in the world. Anyone calling this a fail has little to no business understanding. They will charge you $20 million and save you ten times that, easily. Do you really think some random legislature sits there and figures out the entire budget himself?
All people see is the 90k a day number for shock value. It’s actually refreshing to see the govt use a well-respected private-sector firm in order to help fix its financial woes.
Here’s the thing when they are claiming to ‘save’ money:
They’ll cut jobs, not the ones on the top but the jobs of people who do a smaller job. They’ll cut school budgets, stop funding community centers and stop supporting many other programs.
The government will never figure out that they have to stop building FAKE LAKES and host EXTRAVAGENT PARTIES (G8 G20) WHERE EVERYTHING IS OFFICIALLY BRANDED!!!… Like official; G 20 mosquito repelent and glowsticks…
2: Given what I can guess by context, you are a terrible human being.
3: The person you are responding to didn’t say anything about public vs. private sector jobs so your comment is not only insanely rude and ignorant it is also incoherent.
wow, not only are you a terrible person, perhaps even a waste of life, but you are a complete idiot! Excellent job advertising your extreme ignorance and intolerance to everyone on the internet! yay for idiocy!
Some people just will not realize that they are not entitled to things like schools and community centers. I know your argument…”bububut its myyyyy tax dollars.” I don’t buy it. Its like giving an alcoholic money and then getting mad when he buys booze with it. Don’t expect anything but failure from any government. Also, things like G8 summit bring in millions of dollars to local economies. Journalist, politicians, tourist and protesters spend millions on hotels, prostitutes, markers and poster board. It’s a good idea to make your town look like less of a dump in front of a bunch of dignitaries.
Yes I’m sure that the 600 million dollar G8 brought back the same amount of money from the few hundred dignitaries that came… oh wait they shut down the whole downtown core and dozens of businesses actually LOST money. Before you comment about on something like the G8 event in Toronto look up what actually happened first. The entire event should have still have been held in Huntsville as originally planned and many millions would have been saved. On another note not all governments are failures in Canada, many have actually been successful so most of us can tell the difference.
Whenever a wackadoodle screams that budgets are being cut, he always screams that the schools or the police or the firemen are going to be closed.
Of course, those paying attention note that except for government shutdowns (which aren’t related to how deep the cuts are), those services are never cut.
Schools are never cut? Are you kidding me? What universe do you live in where school budgets aren’t the first thing slashed whenever a right wing government gets in power?
hah….we didn’t even have working water fountains in my school growing up (fun in june when it was 115 degrees in the classrooms) and the youngest teacher I had in elementary school was at least 85…schools are never cut…LOL!
So what you’re saying is that when we elect government officials, who are charged with the duty of balancing the budget, they should hire someone else (who hasn’t been elected) to do the job because a small group of people feel that this company is good at balancing budgets?
So basically, you’re against democracy, or at the very least you believe in absolute monarchy? Are you some kind of billionaire or member of some royal family?
Or are you just totally unaware of the concept of democracy, voting, and all that jazz?
Did no one read past the title? 90,000 a day to a consulting Firm… not one guy…. if the firm does what they are supposed to do this is actually a great investment…….
19.8m dollars at 90k a day would assume that the consulting firm is only involved in the process for 22 days, which I doubt is the case, ontop of which it is likely that there would also be extensive follow-up work also…
So I’m going to call this a piece of crap canadian liberal pundit fail.
So ontop of all the fail submissions now we are bringing everybodies political opinion into the mix here? great!
We’ve just given up on trying to be civil with the right wing, you people are the lowest form of humanity, and 90% of you can’t hold an intelligent conversation on any subject.
All the right wing does in every country is repeat slogans and talking points, most of which are factually inaccurate our bald-faced lies.
Right and left are just terms designed to divide people. Go on, keep fighting about everything and resort to logical fallacies such as ad hominem attacks….whatever you do, don’t try to find any solutions to any problems. Just keep yelling and screaming at whatever side is the opposite of the one you’re on.
DURP DURP BIPARTISAN AMERICAN INFLUENCED COMMENT INSINUATING PEOPLE CAN BE EVENLY DIVIDED INTO TWO CATEGORIES AND EVERYONE NOT IN MY CATEGORY IS WRONG.
They learned a lot from Hussein and his ilk.
They should learn great things from an elk.
They should hire the Hulk.
They should feed him some milk.
typical politicians, they lie smooth as silk.
Someone’s good at the bilk
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@ablepromo – I follow back
they take the great bulk.
Hulk SMASH wasteful government spending!
They will never learn. How much can ONE guy do, so he might be worth 90,000$ a day?
While there are many one-man consulting firms, this one probably isn’t.
Who cares? I want that job!
How to save money…Hmmmm…
QUIT F*$(ing SPENDING IT!
Now where is my 90k for today?
Deloitte is a huge firm, they will have dozens of people on site working, and even more in their offices.
And ONE GUY can be the president of the United States.
It does sound outrageous but the 90K is not for one guy. It is for a company with a large team.
how effing STUPID are these people?!?!?
I don’t want to live in Canada anymore! =(
Not to worry. At the rate he’s going, Harper should have Canada broken apart soon enough.
It’s a whole firm, not a single person. It’s not a fail.
Even for a firm, $90,000 per day?
You have any idea how many people that probably is? at least a few hundred.
Just because an organization has a lot of money doesn’t mean they need to spend it. $202.5 Million is a lot of taxpayer dollars.
If they hired 225 employees at $30,000 a piece for a full year this would be great, but my SUSPICION is that the firm owner will earn more than $30,000 from this project this year which means either less workers or lower-paid workers… So, you are right, I don’t know how many workers there are, but I DO know that 225 people COULD be employed at $30,000 per year for that same money.
We are in a global recession, and this deal stinks to high Heaven.
BTW – I don’t know you guys, but I hope those supporting this move are above the poverty line. I get tired of talking to people who live below the poverty line talking as though they understand how large sums of money are allocated. I won’t say what I do, but I deal with LARGE sums of $$$ daily, and unless you’ve been there you just don’t get it.
BTW – my $202.5 million figure is based upon a five day work week for one year, I don’t know that they will be working for a year, but it’s not an unreasonable thought.
I did it twice, it’s $20,250,000.00 – MAN, so much for displaying my daily work with finances!
And it’s 675 employees. I gotta leave these message boards alone.
I think this is crap. It’s a hidden corporate payoff of some sort. Someone thought they could get away with it.
The Globe and Mail is incredibly bias. It’s an entire consulting firm! The only fail here is G&M failing to report any news without a socialist spin.
The Globe endorsed Harper in the last election. Hardly “socialist”.
Quick lesson for you: Socialist doesn’t mean “thing I don’t like.”
^^ this.
I like you!
In my book I’d you pay 90k$ to a firm that can help you save couple of billions$, that’s a major win actually
Considering that the firm’s services would top out at about 32 mil a year(assuming they charged for every day of the year), I agree. All they have to do is save 32mil and they’ve already broke even on the deal.
If the government isn’t balancing the budget on their own, then what are they doing? I think that is where the fail lies.
90k a day = about 32 millions a year. not too bad, as the governments deal with hundreds of billions. and before you call bias, I don’t know anything about Candian politics and the parties there
The Harper government – the Conservatives/Tories are rougly our equivalent of the Republicans. Still fairly far left by American standards, but far right by Canadian ones.
And just as prone to the stupid pork-barrelling and tough-on-crime rhetoric as their southern counterparts. This is one of those instances.
Oh, and not surprisingly, they’re the ones that ran up the debt in the first place.
Actually, Canada’s debt was crazy high many years before Stephen Harper became leader of the Conservative party and many many politicians and parties are responsible for the actual financial state of this contry. Anyone remember/know of Jean Chretien and most previous Canada’s Prime Minister’s doing? However, it’s true that Canada’s standards for the Left/Right are very different than American’s ones. This is even worst in Quebec, where most people consider someone slightly ‘left-centered’ as a ‘Right extremist’.
Yes our debt was “high” before Harper but we were paying it down and didn’t have a deficit. Jean Chretien’s government was the one that gave Canada a budget surplus they didn’t increase the debt. Before him we had another Conservative government that increased our debt with Brian Mulrony and now we have a current Conservative government increasing our debt again. Yes there was a recession but they still were touting “there won’t be a recession” when everyone else saw it coming. Either way the point of this story is we should need to pay 90k a day to figure out how to balance the budget… Considering our useless PM keeps touting that he’s a “economist” maybe he should earn his 200k a year and figure it out…
*shouldn’t pay
Deloitte is one of the best consulting firms in the world. Anyone calling this a fail has little to no business understanding. They will charge you $20 million and save you ten times that, easily. Do you really think some random legislature sits there and figures out the entire budget himself?
Is that you Stevie?
Yes, that’s the way Jim rolls.
All people see is the 90k a day number for shock value. It’s actually refreshing to see the govt use a well-respected private-sector firm in order to help fix its financial woes.
better then just having some dumb senators hold a “investigation” or some other waste of money.
Here’s the thing when they are claiming to ‘save’ money:
They’ll cut jobs, not the ones on the top but the jobs of people who do a smaller job. They’ll cut school budgets, stop funding community centers and stop supporting many other programs.
The government will never figure out that they have to stop building FAKE LAKES and host EXTRAVAGENT PARTIES (G8 G20) WHERE EVERYTHING IS OFFICIALLY BRANDED!!!… Like official; G 20 mosquito repelent and glowsticks…
The government can only cut public sector jobs. Public sector jobs only exist by taxation of private sector employees.
So DIAF you piece of crap.
Several things.
1: What the heck does DIAF mean?
2: Given what I can guess by context, you are a terrible human being.
3: The person you are responding to didn’t say anything about public vs. private sector jobs so your comment is not only insanely rude and ignorant it is also incoherent.
wow, not only are you a terrible person, perhaps even a waste of life, but you are a complete idiot! Excellent job advertising your extreme ignorance and intolerance to everyone on the internet! yay for idiocy!
Some people just will not realize that they are not entitled to things like schools and community centers. I know your argument…”bububut its myyyyy tax dollars.” I don’t buy it. Its like giving an alcoholic money and then getting mad when he buys booze with it. Don’t expect anything but failure from any government. Also, things like G8 summit bring in millions of dollars to local economies. Journalist, politicians, tourist and protesters spend millions on hotels, prostitutes, markers and poster board. It’s a good idea to make your town look like less of a dump in front of a bunch of dignitaries.
Yes I’m sure that the 600 million dollar G8 brought back the same amount of money from the few hundred dignitaries that came… oh wait they shut down the whole downtown core and dozens of businesses actually LOST money. Before you comment about on something like the G8 event in Toronto look up what actually happened first. The entire event should have still have been held in Huntsville as originally planned and many millions would have been saved. On another note not all governments are failures in Canada, many have actually been successful so most of us can tell the difference.
It’s funny.
Whenever a wackadoodle screams that budgets are being cut, he always screams that the schools or the police or the firemen are going to be closed.
Of course, those paying attention note that except for government shutdowns (which aren’t related to how deep the cuts are), those services are never cut.
Schools are never cut? Are you kidding me? What universe do you live in where school budgets aren’t the first thing slashed whenever a right wing government gets in power?
hah….we didn’t even have working water fountains in my school growing up (fun in june when it was 115 degrees in the classrooms) and the youngest teacher I had in elementary school was at least 85…schools are never cut…LOL!
So what you’re saying is that when we elect government officials, who are charged with the duty of balancing the budget, they should hire someone else (who hasn’t been elected) to do the job because a small group of people feel that this company is good at balancing budgets?
So basically, you’re against democracy, or at the very least you believe in absolute monarchy? Are you some kind of billionaire or member of some royal family?
Or are you just totally unaware of the concept of democracy, voting, and all that jazz?
Those wacky canucks!
Tomorrow the Money Monster will be defeated as spending reaches 0%
They’re paying the number one consulting firm in the world $19.8 million to help trim an estimated $4 billion off their budget. Seems like a win.
Also, I’ve seen the bid that was submitted and I’m not sure where they are pulling the $90K a day from.
Did no one read past the title? 90,000 a day to a consulting Firm… not one guy…. if the firm does what they are supposed to do this is actually a great investment…….
Did you even read the comments. Everyone did.
The news title make us believe it is one person to succeed their sensationalism
they catch our attention
what are you talking about? no one thinks a “consulting firm” is one person. that would be a “consultant”. Where are you getting this from?
dumbass Australians!
Hang Harper! He’s disgusting.
And this is why 1/2 of the Dilbert strips involve consultants.
19.8m dollars at 90k a day would assume that the consulting firm is only involved in the process for 22 days, which I doubt is the case, ontop of which it is likely that there would also be extensive follow-up work also…
So I’m going to call this a piece of crap canadian liberal pundit fail.
So ontop of all the fail submissions now we are bringing everybodies political opinion into the mix here? great!
More like 220 days, which is quite likely actually.
Everyones political opinions are always present everywhere everyday.
Stop being silly.
We’ve just given up on trying to be civil with the right wing, you people are the lowest form of humanity, and 90% of you can’t hold an intelligent conversation on any subject.
All the right wing does in every country is repeat slogans and talking points, most of which are factually inaccurate our bald-faced lies.
Don’t worry though, SOCIALISM IS TEH EVILZ!
*or bald-faced lies.
Right and left are just terms designed to divide people. Go on, keep fighting about everything and resort to logical fallacies such as ad hominem attacks….whatever you do, don’t try to find any solutions to any problems. Just keep yelling and screaming at whatever side is the opposite of the one you’re on.
DURP DURP BIPARTISAN AMERICAN INFLUENCED COMMENT INSINUATING PEOPLE CAN BE EVENLY DIVIDED INTO TWO CATEGORIES AND EVERYONE NOT IN MY CATEGORY IS WRONG.