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More like ‘Probably Great News’, amirite?
Well, it’s not great news for the poor people!
I think if they attended the church themselves, it would be good for them and they’d get the food. lol…
The Bible is pretty specific on telling us that Jesus spent most of his time hanging around bums and prostitutes, and not the rich people sitting inside buildings holding their noses.
Of course he also said not to judge other people, and not to defend yourself against physical attacks, and those rules are flat out ignored.
Oh.. let’s not forget Matthew 7:12…
Allow me to quote if you don’t have a bible handy.
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
LOL! That’s a great idea, Shane! And they’d also get food for the soul
As in “Have you heard the good news?” Or “The good news bible.” It’s a christian thing. Regardless, not very charitable for a group that is supposed to “do unto others” and so forth.
its time to call in the bad news trolls.
X-rated for extreme hypocrisy and lack of compassion, empathy, love, etc etc.
It’s a UNITARIAN church. They do not teach Christian doctrine.
Are you seriously implying that Unitarians don’t advocate compassion, empathy and love, etc..? Those qualities are not just Christian, they are emphasized by every major religion.
The point is that people are attacking christians for what Unitarians are doing.
That’s like bashing Hindus when a bunch of Muslims riot.
Nice trolling
But for the 1/100 chance you genuinely are that stupid….
Unitarians are Christians, Hindus are Hindus, Muslims are Muslims. Just because the Unitarian understanding of a badly translated piece of fanfic/propaganda differs from your understanding of it, it doesn’t mean they’re not Christian.
It is a Unity church , not a Unitarian church , so yes, it is a Christian church and supposedly does teach “Christian values”, though from wikipedia and from the Unity website, it seems that the Unity sect does not believe in the holy trinity.
The posting mechanism ate my urls. There were supposed to be links to the Wikipedia articles on the Unity church and the Unitarians.
Let’s try again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Church and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism
Actually, it is more complicated than that. Sometimes, you get folks who are not interested in church services, who create problems, have mental issues that really need to be treated by professionals. While you want to take care of the poor and needy, sometimes just making food available is the worst thing you can do. Groups that focus on helping the homeless usually have mental health professionals or at least trained individuals who monitor these individuals and see if they are a danger to others or themselves and are able to intervine.
But, if your knee-jerk reaction and mindless commentary make you happy, please continue.
Jesus never said “Give food to people who are polite, well-mannered, and will be respectful of your services.”
Oh, and there was something about not passing judgement as well. You in specific might want to read up on that bit.
No, he didn’t say that.
But these are Unitarians – so it’s completely irrelevant.
Unity Truth Church actually, and they are CHRISTIAN not Unitarian.
Actually Jesus did say “do not give what is holy to the dogs” (Mat.7:6)
I suppose He might of expected us to use a little judgement in determining who He meant by “dogs”. And as for passing judgement, aren’t you passing judgement on these people’s decision without even discussing the whole matter with them? (“only a fool answers a matter before he hears it”)
Hypocrisy -10 points.
As in… great news.
Really?
I mean… REALLY?!
Seriously… I mean… REALLY?!
What did you think was going to happen? Just…
FARNSWORTH GET IN HERE!
^This. It’s times like these when I look at my “WWTGPD?” bracelet. (What Would The Great Pumpkin Do?)
Well, that’s what Supply-Side Jesus would do.
Voodoojudeochristian Economics?
Seriously, it’s a UNITARIAN church. They do not teach Christian doctrine.
Unity Church =/= Unitarian Church
Unity Church are Christains not Unitarians. I know the whole “unit” part has you mixed up however neither the Unity Church or Unitarians has a priority to the word.
Google their web site. They’re um, not exactly the dogmatic, right wing type. Quite the polar opposite actually.
Closing down food banks because it attracts poor people is WORSE than dogmatic. That’s just foul.
They shut down a food bank that some people depend for food because they aren’t fashionable and pretty as the church members. They’re not the right-wing type.. they’re far more evil.
Heh, I agree with you there – not contest.
But this is the problem when you abandon solid theology as a basis of your ministry – it becomes a “we’re doing it because if feels good” thing and hence when it becomes difficult it gets shut down.
This is the problem anytime anyone needs theology to tell right from wrong.
“Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.”
- Asimov
Reading that article just made it worse. Silly republican logic.
Logic? What logic? This is anything BUT logic. And then, so-called “believers” wonder why so-called “atheists” bash the churches so much. Hypocrisy is the only word that comes to mind when I think of Christianity. I simply hate how they apply some parts of their “good book” literally when it suits them, but ignore its fundamental principles when it comes to cases like this. Add the pedo-priests to the mix and you’ve got a recipe for massive disillusionment. I honeslty don’t want to live on this planet anymore and if it wasn’t for the grief I might cause to people who actually are happy to know me, I’d probably just do myself in already. Mankind is a joke and I’m ashamed to be a part of it.
I’m christian and I fully agree with your post. It is disgusting how so-called christians get wrapped up with petty details in scripture (usually taken out of context and misinterpreted) and often do so in contradiction to the main principle of Christianity (which is, dare i say it? love). The people in this church must be the same kind that abuse their faith to lash out against things they are simply uncomfortable with (homosexuality). Then again I guess that is people in most churches…
To be fair, it is justifiable to be against homosexuality when you follow the bible. It’s in there, you know?
if you followed the bible that closely then you should also stone anyone wearing clothing made of mixed fabrics
They’re an abomination you know!
I’m not following the bible at all, I’m just pointing out that someone can rightfully consider himself a good Christian while being against homosexuality, equal rights for gays etc.
No, he would have to be against EVERYTHING that the bible is against.
The problem is these idiots pick and choose what to follow.
Leviticus claims that shellfish, pork, mixed fabrics, tattoos and homosexuality are all abominations.
You cannot consider yourself a good christian if you hate homosexuals and yet do not follow the rest of those rules.
Follow all of them or none of them.
Leviticus is also Old Testament. Several Christian religions throw out the Old Testament because it’s the “old contract” between God and the Jews. Essentially, it’s there for historical reference. In my opinion, things start to fall in place a little better when you consider OT barbaric and stop listening to it.
NT doesn’t ever single out homosexuality as an abomination as Leviticus did, so its funny that some people think so badly of homosexuality. But…like you say…people pick and choose from here and there, whatever is comfortable.
Matthew 5:18 That’s Jesus talking, mind you.
So, then, still no mixed fabrics, shellfish, pork or tattoos.
Also, please stone to death disobedient children, and a married woman who gets r@paed. But if a virgin gets r@ped, that’s cool, those crazy kids just need to get married.
No, what Jesus said was “You people didn’t understand things the first time around. I’m not throwing rules out, I’m clarifying them because you’ve been making up a bunch of crazy s**t on your own.
LOVE. That’s an order. I’ll check up on you sometime and see if you can at least figure that much out.”
And as evidenced by the actions of most “Christians”, even that simple of a concept is too much to comprehend.
He also said not the least bit of the law was to be thrown out, blabbity blabbity. Also, I can’t find your verse in my bible; book/verse please?
Oh, I’m sure there is some alternate interpretation where Jesus is referring only to the NT and not OT. There is ALWAYS an alternate interpretation lol.
Then again you could always treat the Bible as it’s meant to be treated – as theology and not a rule book.
Then again you could always treat the Bible as it’s meant to be treated – by throwing it in the trash.
FTFY
WIN.
Exactly. I’ve hoped for years that Fred Phelps would start picketing outside Red Lobsters just to even things out. But, it’s clear, the likes of Phelps don’t care what people eat, just who they sleep with.
you get even a little mad at Phelps, and you play into his plan!
Its a PLOT, so you HIT HIM (or infringe his ‘civil rights’) and he and his family have a case to sue you for MONEY on.
Thats literally the plan.
They make sure to ‘hate’ only nonspecifics. No individuals that aren’t ‘public domain’ so they can’t be sued themselves. Its all quite legally canny, and I doubt they beleive what they claim besides.
Which is more likely. SUPERMEGARAGEINDUCECRAZY (youmadbro?), or a plot to sue you?
I’m not going to act as though nothing Phelps does is ‘wrong enough’ to make a fuss about, just because he might run off crying to a judge. You’d really let someone bully you into giving up your right to free speech, and out of the decency of just standing up for what’s fair and just? That’s a form of terrorism, even if all you’re afraid of is a fine.
SUPERMEGARAGEINDUCECRAZY and plots to work the legal system for money are not mutually exclusive. They’ve just found a way to profit from their beliefs hate.
“Leviticus claims that shellfish, pork, mixed fabrics, tattoos and homosexuality are all abominations.
You cannot consider yourself a good christian if you hate homosexuals and yet do not follow the rest of those rules.”
Not to burst your bubble, but you have to look at the context and purpose of the rules when you cite them.
Rules having to do with food existed for *gasp* health reasons. That’s why pork, etc. were off limits.
Rules having to do with sexuality morality are, in themselves, a bit less time bound and more categorical.
Consequently, what was a necessary social health rule 3,000 years ago, is no longer necessary today.
Glad I could educate you.
Thats not the point. The point is Christians pick and choose. Either they are all Gods irrefutable laws or none of them are.
Mabye the reason for that original commandment was to *gasp* increase population growth in an age with high infant mortality and short life spans. That too is no longer much of an issue. Perhaps it should be put on the ash heap of history?
What about Tatoos and mixed fabrics? How about men never shaving their beards? What about stoning disobediant Children, or marrying your Rapist? How about the God given rules for buying selling, marking, or beating your slaves.Any reason other then “god said it”?
Glad I could eluminate you.
“Thats not the point. The point is Christians pick and choose. Either they are all Gods irrefutable laws or none of them are.”
Evidently reading comprehension isn’t your forte.
The context and the purpose of the laws (as said above) is necessary to understand. Something that explains a social custom, or a health prerogative, is necessarily subjective and time bound.
Something like sexual morality generally is not.
Hence, you can now eat pork (usually without fear of getting trichinosis) without violating an ancient health law.
“What about Tatoos and mixed fabrics?”
Dependent again on the purpose of the law, if it was a law. Was it a description of historical practice? A description of aspirational virtue (modesty)? Or something else entirely?
You can hate religion all you want, but being dishonest about your opponent’s positions tends to show your own distinct lack of intelligence more than anything else.
Glad I could help you with your dogmatism.
You justify a portion of the law based the moral authority of El yet disregard a portion of the law based on mankind’s modern knowledge subverting El’s moral authority. I see an issue here.
“You justify a portion of the law based the moral authority of El yet disregard a portion of the law based on mankind’s modern knowledge subverting El’s moral authority. I see an issue here.”
Not really. If a rule exists for health purposes, once the health hazard has ceased to exist, so the reason for the law.
It’s not a difficult concept.
Sorry to intrude, but I think you’re missing ScottyD’s point a bit. The problem is that God never said “this is a health rule” and “this is a moral rule”. (Please correct me if I’m wrong.) He said “these are rules”, and it was people who interpreted some as being health-related and others as being moral.
Considering the vested interest many people have in these matters (i.e. shellfish taste REALLY nice) the distinction is rather questionable.
Do you eat shrimp and oysters? Well, you need to be put to death.
When you were a kid, did you fight with your parents? Well, you need to be put to death.
Have you thrown a football? Well, you need to be put to death.
“Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them”…“Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.) “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”
Mark 7: 15, 18-23
Try learning a bit more before speaking next time.
“it is what comes out of a person that defiles them”
Is that what Reverend Lovejoy meant when he said “technically, we’re not even allowed to go to the bathroom”?
LMAO so true!!
Christian to Christian, read up on the Unitarian church, and you will find that they are a new age cult.
Not sure what you’ve been reading, but just what aspects of the Unitarian Universalist church are you talking about? Probably the farthest away from being a cult that you can get. Let’s see…
No forced dogma
No controlling of members relationships
No controlling of members finances
Individuals are responsible for their own beliefs
Tolerance of all others beliefs is very important
How is this a cult???
If you’re not controlling the masses with the fear of you and everyone you love burning alive forever, you’re not a real faith.
You are confusing Unity church with Unitarian church. They are two different things.
As an UU, I should point out to you that the Unitarian church has been around since the 1700′s, and that Presidents’ John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Milliard Fillmore and William Taft were all Unitarians.
In fact, most of the Founding Fathers were not traditional christians, but Diest’s and of other non-traditional religious beliefs.
In fact, Thomas Jefferson had such a positive view of Islam, he had his own copy of the Koran.
Um, he had a Koran. That part is true.
He also made the “Jefferson Bible” which removes all references to god and divinity and just leaves the useful stuff.
I doubt those presidents would be happy to associate with the Unitarian church of today.
As for your claim about the founding fathers, I suggest you do some research and stop listening to crackpots.
Read up on the Unity Church, and you will fin that they are CHRISTIAN not unitarian.
Dude, chill. This has NOTHING to do with religion, atheists, republicans, or whatever. This has everything to do with an allegedly charitable organization, who just happens to be a church, and their facepalm-worthy derpness.
Don’t try to make something outta nothing.
Don’t try to make nothing outta something. There is a problem. It is widespread. Ignoring it won’t make it go away.
This is not widespread, this is a single food bank, and a single occurrence of stupidity. I’m talking about scope here. Any personal vendettas you may have against other people’s way of life, or crimes that they may or may not have committed, do not relate to this article.
That is why I said, “Don’t try to make something outta nothing.”
Yes, this is one isolated example. But this is a large problem. What does his(her?) personal problems have to do with it?
In order for your comment to make sense, it would help to know what you think “this” means in your phrase “But this is a big problem”.
Might you be referring to his derpness’s bigoted rants against christians in general rather than the specific, atypical example that’s actually presented in the original post?
Well, from what I observed, he was projecting his personal observations about Christianity as a whole into an article about a single occurrence, at a single church, of indeterminate religion.
Those observations are overly specific and completely irrelevant to the situation because the fact that it was a church is secondary to the fact that it is a food bank. Which is why I will say again, this has NOTHING to do with religion.
“This is a large problem”, do you mean poor people? That people are starving? Is there perhaps an ongoing nationwide issue I’m not aware of where food-banks are closing left and right? Yes, those would be big problems if that’s what you’re referring to.
I’m going to try and sum this all up, as best as I can, from what I’ve seen others type.
The article, is about, as well as I can tell, a “church run food-bank”.
Regardless of if you think this is an actual church or not, this brought up the topic of Churches and Christians being hypocrites.
Someone commented on how Churches who do things like this being hypocrites and how this is a very real problem in the world, and someone else, a Christian even, commented that they were correct.
Then you come in and start yelling about how they aren’t staying on topic to the post?
If the post made this person think about a problem they see in the world, and someone else agrees with them, I can’t really see the problem you have here.
lol, I don’t really have a problem actually. It was simply the fact that his initial post was an unprovoked, needless, hateful rant about what appeared to be all Christian religions, when this article is about the fallacies of a single isolated group. It warranted f*cking with him a little.
Also, when his original post was made, there weren’t so many threads about christian-helping-people-ness, so it seemed particularly out of place.
F*cking with me a little? You so funny.
While you claim that this is an isolated event and that it has nothing to do with religion in general, or christianity in specific, I strongly disagree. It has everything to do with religion. No matter what you believe in, if you live in America, the very way you think has been influenced by centuries of christian influence, this food bank thing is just a modern example of how so-called christians are unable to even understand the most basic message their religion is supposed to be conveying.
If you can’t understand the point I was making and think this is something personal between me and christianity, you’ve got it all wrong. I could care less what people think or what they believe in, I just can’t understand how someone, anyone, could still think of religion as a good thing when all it served for, throughout history, was to take advantage of the weak-willed, in order to gain power, forment war and justify the unjustifiable.
Sure, your regular church-goer is probably a good-hearted person, I never put that into doubt, but the church as a whole is such a large piece of complete BS, responsible for most of the worst atrocities ever done by man, that this food bank thing is nothing but a drop of water in the ocean, by comparison.
The fact remains the message of “love” that chirsianity is supposed to be, in theory, has always actually been used to spread “hate”, in practice.
Unprovoked?
What about everything the christians did in the last 2000 years? The Witch Trials, the Holocaust, the Crusades, the KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, etc… All the work of so-called “good christians”… You know what they say? It only takes one rotten apple to spoil the bunch, well, this food bank thing is one such rotten apple, adding itself to the whole bunch of rotten apples that christianity has spawned over the last couple of millenia.
F–k, U.S.A.’s motto is “In God we trust”, it’s all about religion, control and power, wake up. I know I’m all over the place and that this food bank thing is almost nothing, but it’s still something. Something negative done by people who back their way of thinking with the “good word”.
I love how people like you think you’re being enlightening with a well-rounded opinion, while you focus on the bad the church has been responsible throughout history, blame Christianity instead of the people in the church, and you ignore all the good that far outweighs the bad. People suck, people use the power they’ve been given to bad ends, and that happens everywhere in life, not just in churches. And if you were to look anywhere but on the highly publicised surface bad things, you’d see that the majority of the Christian population are outraged at the actions of those who would call themselves Christian and fail to even try to live up to its ideals. How would you feel if someone took up one of your beliefs and did stuff that contradicted it? Blame the individual, not the belief system.
But yes, the church is a highly flawed institution that frequently goes overboard or misunderstands situations. Until there is a better way to organise Christianity though, the church will have to do.
me: “but the church as a whole is such a large piece of complete BS, responsible for most of the worst atrocities ever done by man”
Ah, right. The worst atrocities done by man. You do realize that 60 million people died in World War 2, right? That 30 million people died in Mao’s “great leap forward”, right?
And that millions more have died in slavery, in territorial wars, by the Romans, Greeks, Carthaginians, Mongols, on and on back to the beginning of man, right?
More people have been tortured, oppressed and killed in the pursuit of power, land and money than anything else.
“What about everything the christians did in the last 2000 years? The Witch Trials, the Holocaust, the Crusades, the KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, etc…”
Evidently logical causation isn’t your forte.
The KKK didn’t exist “because of” religion, it existed because the South lost the Civil War and wanted to lynch blacks.
And the Holocaust was not committed by the church. The Holocaust was committed by a decidedly a-theist government in Germany. Hitler had no evident religious beliefs either way, though he embraced some mystical garbage.
Disagree with religion all you want, but your ironic anti-religious bigotry is laughable.
“Disagree with religion all you want, but your ironic anti-religious bigotry is laughable.”
At least, someone got my point. Thank you, kind sir.
Just to let you know my friend, this is not a church but a new age cult. The unity “church” or Unitarian church is not a Christian church in any sense of the word. A real Christian church would help the poor with open arms. This article sickens me.
Your ignorance is palpable.
Sorry my friend, but the Unity Church of Victoria (the one mentioned in the article) is NOT a Unitarian Church. And which one are you calling a cult?
No more a cult than any other branch of Christ-tardedness.
The Unitarian Universalist Church and the Unity Church are DIFFERENT churches, dumbass.
To the conservative right: 8==========D
The ultra conservative right that is
I never claimed to be superior to anyone. We’re all animals. Some of us think we’re better than other animals, I don’t even go that far. We’re nothing but a carbon-based lifeform who achieved sentience, yet we like to believe we’re something great. I don’t. I know where I stand, I was born, I live and I’ll die. I never tried to help anyone, I don’t pretend to be something “good”, or something “special”, I just am, nothing more, nothing less. I have a problem with people who think they’re more than they actually are, and, sadly, that applies to mankind in general.
I’m too blind to see I’m part of the problem… That was a good one. Who tells you I can’t figure that out? Why would you think I’m ashamed of being part of mankind if I was too blind to see I’m just part of the problem, like everyone else? But hey, I don’t pretend to have the solution, however, I hate those who offer fake answers to questions that needn’t be asked.
Yet, here you are, judging me, labeling me, thinking you can make out what I am or how I think, based on a couple of posts I wrote on a site mostly visited by trolls… Right… That makes sense, Freud.
me: “I have a problem with people who think they’re more than they actually are, and, sadly, that applies to mankind in general.”
Why do you even care, then?
If everyone is just a carbon life form, and we’ll all disappear once we die, who gives a damn if anyone thinks they’re superior to anyone else?
Because it makes you feel weak? Stupid? Inferior?
Get over yourself.
“Why do you even care, then?”
I don’t.
Evidently you do, given your vitriolic, anti-religious comments.
Or you’re just a troll.
Didn’t you notice that it’s a UNITARIAN church? They do not teach Christian doctrine.
UNITY Church is not the same as a UNITARIAN Church *facepalm*. The Unity sect is similar to pentecostal/baptists therefore VERY similar to most protestant sects. I’m not against defending Christianity, but please, use a book/google/brain and avoid irrational and embarrassing statements please, for the rest of us JC believers.
And Christian Doctrine is in the eye of the beholder, if you haven’t noticed. You define it for yourself and make sure that the church you go to supports your already certain definition of such, and use it as a tool to support your ego. I don’t think JC really cares about trinity/ or none holy sacrament/ or none married priests or none. Its only the sect you belong to that does.
Hahahahahaha!!!!
As if liberals can actually use logic and facts rather than lies…
You people crack me up with your delusions.
Let me guess – you believe in an invisible magic fairy that lives in the sky who inseminated a virgin with magic, causing her to give birth to a baby with magical powers who was crucified and died, but then came back to life three days later and ascended into the sky. Yet you accuse others of having “delusions”? LOL….
Awesome!
I think we all agree that Christians (or any religious people, really) are just as completely retarded as socialists, just on a different level. 
In his defense where in the Bible does it state God lives in the Sky or clouds? Just because you have been brought up to think this does not mean it is ever stated. BTW you were born in a Christian funded Hospital dude.
Oooh, where was I born?
Want to talk about delusions?!?! @ George Johnson??? conservatives are so far up their own asses with their bigotry and hypocrisy, they can’t even see the light of day… If you want to talk about delusions, go vote for Rick Perry… go vote for Michele Bachmann… oh yeah… HAPPY BIRTHDAY ELVIS!!!! Do I need to even MENTION Sarah Palin? These are three candidates that your buddies support. Three COMPLETE idiots. The more I watch politics, the more I think religion is used by ignorant people who can’t explain things… so they explain them through religion. The ironic part is that Christians have become hypocrites… Why did people come to America? To escape religious persecution and try to make a better life for their families!!! What are CHRISTIANS doing right now? Trying to kick out illegal immigrants and are persecuting Muslims. I’m not saying I agree that people who came here illegally should stay… I’m just thinking that if maybe there were strong immigration laws back in the day… maybe some of your hypocritical asses wouldn’t be here.
Man I have such a spiritual hunger right now.
had you tried cooking and eating a bible?
Mmmm… sacrilicious!
+1 Internets to you!
Yes. They don’t taste nice, but lots of fibre. However, if you overcook them they go black and taste even worse.
The fail here is not the church’s decision to help people who, from the article, “fell like the world owes them something”, the fail is that the submitter seems to think that people are entitled to handouts no matter how rich or poor in spirit (which, btw, is the context of the passage cited in the title) the person seeking assistance is.
Come on people, just because this is a site dedicated to humor it doesn’t mean we need to check our brains out at the door.
Who are you to judge a person’s poverty of the spirit? Who are you to say someone, ANYONE, doesn’t deserve help? It’s a food bank, not a HDTV bank. If your church isn’t even giving food to the hungry, then, who is it helping? Itself? Yeah. That’s the problem, too.
He has a point. Charity should be targeted at those most in need and most deserving. Giving food to drug addicts and alcoholics who could afford to buy food but would rather spend their money on their next kick isn’t right, they deserve help but that help is treatment for their addiction, not free food.
Well, there is that whole “Judge not, lest ye be judged yourself”, along with “turn the other cheek”. So by strict adherence, Christians should be giving food (and hanging out with) drug addicts, tax collectors, and lepers.
Giving to those “most in need” means judgement calls where you will never have all the information. Maybe one person needs food right now because they haven’t eaten for three days, but another hasn’t eaten for a day, but has two kids. Which is most in need? Do you feel qualified to make that call? I certainly don’t.
Judge not lest ye be judged is about hypocrisy, not about never judging anyone.
Christ made many, MANY judgement calls in his preachings, the Bible is full of them.
Exactly when did the idea suddenly fabricate itself that Jebus sat back in a recliner and told everyone that passed by “Sup Bra. Nah, it’s cool, I don’t judge.”
The Bible was written and made up by “man” so was God. No proof he existed.
What do you mean “man”? Are you implying the Bible was written by lizard people or something?
Can’t tell if trolling or just stupid.
I think the latter of the two.
I sincerely hope you end up penniless and die in a dark alley while your fellow christians pass you by on the way to church.
NO HAND OUTS!
BOOTSTRAPS!
I wouldn’t quite consider them christians if they ignore the fundamental principles of it. like walking by the guy as he lay in the street.
this
You’re right. Helping others is SOCIALISM… I wonder what your bible says about THAT…
thank you for not jumping on the bandwagon & screeching
Christianity left & right.
there are different sides to every story, and while
the churchs action might not seem “nice”, it’s THEIR
decision how to use their funds and buildings.
If they do not want to feed strange people not belonging
to their congregation who possibly don’t care about the
sermon as long as there’s food involved, it’s understandable.
To me, at least.
Welcome to the modern-day designer church. They only want to help the poor-ish.
the fashionable poor
DERELICKT!
Guys this article is referring to a Canadian church in Ottawa. Ottawa is equivalent of deep southern Mississippi when it comes to race and class. They only like people like themselves…period!
Winnipeg, actually. Your point stands.
Hey there,…. I am from Winnipeg,… I work in the heart of downtown,… and there is a significant amount of disgruntalled street people around here. Not pleasant,… many not deserving of sympathy.
I like to think of myself as open minded. I like to see the good in people.
I fork out spare change where I feel it is needed and deserved… but hey,… I’m not a church.
If I was a church,…. I’d probably be more careful with my words and try and follow God’s teachings a little better.
but I’m athiest. So,…. Keep on rockin in the free world
I, too am from Winnipeg. Lots of churches do this, but all the street people I encounter are violent and in my face.
Ottawa is actually a pretty good city, it’s not that bad.
I live in it. This really couldn’t be a catholic church.
Ottawa is nothing like you describe. It is a clean, modern, multicultural epicenter of education and business. Good try, though.
You obviously don’t live in Ottawa. You couldn’t be more wrong.
not even close. Religious people are weirdos wherever you find them. Ottowa doesn’t have group of majority. It is shattered pockets of global refugees mixed in with English colonists and the failed native race that was spared genocide only to have alcoholism finish them off.
Oddly enough, I went to the Ottawa Citizen website and their archives had no record of this article. I also can’t find anything besides the picture of this clipping, or people commenting about the clipping. Must be really old news. Or faked.
I couldn’t find the original article, but did find this reference to it: http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/02/21/church.html
It appears that you are correct and the story is old, however, it does seem to be true. And while we have no right to tell any organization what kinds of charity it should perform, this does highlight a problem with the republican theory that charity should be left to private organizations such as churches. People at a church, no matter how well meaning, are not trained or equipped to handle the needs of many people. People who may seem (or even be) really scary because of their appearance or smell, or odd behaviors caused by mental illness.
I can’t get angry at the church for stopping something which was causing them fear, but it does show the need for the government to step in when no one else will.
“I can’t get angry at the church for stopping something which was causing them fear”
I could understand a church – or anyone else – stopping something they aren’t equipped to handle despite trying their best.
But no. It’s the self-serving justification (helping the needy isn’t church-like enough, poor people are irresponsible) that makes this a truly execrable fail.
It appears to be old but accurate: http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/02/21/church.html
Very old news.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/02/21/church.html
Looks like it’s from 2000. Google “truth centre prossen food bank” and there’s an article about it from CBC.ca.
Old or not, it’s still a massive fail and deserves highlighting, especially when you see things like the minister stating that they should quit helping the poor and go back to doing activities that are more “church-like.”
To be fair, according to the article not everyone at church agreed with her. There’s hope for humanity yet.
They just need to stop calling it a food bank and call it a church dinner .
I volunteered for years at a food pantry where I used to live. It operated out of the basement of a church, but many of the regular volunteers didn’t consider themselves religious. The churchgoers would lend a hand around thanksgiving and christmas, but they tended to spend more time patting themselves on the back about what good people they were then they spent being productive.
The year-round volunteers were mostly people in the neighborhood, with some older folks who wanted to keep active, and some unemployed people with free time who were worried that they may end up as a client of the pantry if the economy got any worse. So, I don’t think how religious someone is has any relation to how they feel about charity.
Helping out locally is a good way to ensure that your town doesn’t turn to crap. If you do it for the least of your brothers, you might really be helping yourself.
Agreed:
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
(Matthew 25:34-46, NIV)
All I’m saying. Guess the church forgot to read this little section.
My friend. this is one of the few lucid points made here. every time I see posturing about who is… or is not “deserving”. it makes me wonder, to which side will you sit?
Pity. It’s a beautiful little section.
I knew an associate pastor who ran a soup kitchen out of his church in Nashville; my husband and I used to buy food for him. His church ended up shutting it down for the same reason–churchgoers weren’t comfortable with homeless people in their church. Last I knew, he was trying to get together with other organizations to set up a mobile service to provide hot meals around the city, as needed.
So much for Jesus ministering to the lepers and cripples and prostitutes. I believe Jesus himself said there would be only a handful who would actually drop what they were doing and follow in his ways.
so eat that pork, eat that ham
laugh ’til you choke on Billy Graham
It’s a big fail. They’re missing a lot of witness opportunities and a big part of what they should know they’re called to do, which is to help the poor as best they can.
yeah, my town closed a detox/rehab center because it was overrun with drunks and junkies.
Redneck Canada voted Harper in, he’s already working in closing supervised injection sites, not matter how many reliable studies proved it helped REDUCE drug comsumption, drug overdose, needle-sharing (yay, HIV!), and ”infected needles everywhere” problems.
Religious nutjobs is why you guys can’t have nice things.
The church I grew up in didn’t have a soup kitchen but, like *true* churches everywhere, it supports soup kitchens, shelters, programs and mission work. “More church-related activities?” Like…helping the less fortunate? Tending to all of God’s children (Oh no!! They might come into contact with…**Shudders**…POOR people!?!?) Any pastor that believes that the less fortunate “have yet to come to a sense of personal responsibility in life” (i.e. “they brought it on themselves”) should quit the Church immediately because they are seriously in the wrong field.
World will change, when people change
*when people are gone
It entirely depends here. I would say that helping someone in need is only good if the person you help wants to be helped for the betterment of life. From my experience, most people who are homeless tend to end up to be a people who make up any sort of lie to get you to give them something. For example, there are times where I would give a homeless person money when they say something along the lines of their family, and then walk straight to the ABC store to buy alcohol. I’ve also had the opportunity to see some homeless people go right back into life. They’re usually very kind, humble, and very nice people who never asks for something, and always try to repay what they owe. I would say out of my life, I only met one such person and that is out of hundreds that I’ve come across. And this person only lost his job and just had a rough time since he didn’t have anyone else to help him. These are the people who need help, but unfortunately it’s one of hundreds and no church can have the resources to sort this out.
this is why you never give a homeless person change/money. they can tell you its for a hot meal then spend it on drugs/alcohol. if i see a homeless person and i can afford to, i just buy them food. there are several who i see around the local walmart which is surrounded by restaurants but also a very large ABC store. so when i can, i’ll get them a sandwich or a couple of mcdoubles just to ensure they have a meal instead of going to the ABC store
This. I give food, not money. Well, I gave. I don’t have a job anymore.
Why don’t you just come out and tell them “I don’t trust you, but I have a need to feel good about myself and it’s coming at the cost of your dignity”?
If you give, give freely. If you can only be generous when the money is used to your satisfaction, charity is not for you. Would you only donate an old sweater if someone attractive will end up wearing it?
Imagine day after day of being sneered at by people who have homes and jobs and know nothing about the reasons why you don’t, of having to scrounge for possibly rotting food or not eating at all, of having no means to ever feel clean, of having nowhere to go to get warm for days or weeks at a time, and no foreseeable way to change any of it because no one’s going to hire you for a job without an address and contact number. I can’t say I’d want to be awake and sober for every minute of that, either.
Umm… I don’t see the fail :S. II do live in an area with very very little homeless population (maybe 30-60 people in my city are actually on the streets) and I have no church background (I have been to weddings, funerals, etc) but…
The Church having a food bank is kinda going beyond what they normally do. They’re still gunna help the poor and donate food, but I doubt they were equipped to handle the poor and homeless that came. I’d say they probably over extended themselves and ended up with too many homeless people staying around the church. The mentally ill and especially desperate ones were probably scaring the churchgoers and interrupting sermons.
Yes in olden times churches used to take care of the poor, orphans and the homeless, but back then every church had 20+ resident nuns and priests who dedicated their lives to such things. This was probably the run of the mill “5 ministers and a buncha volunteers” places, so they wouldn’t have the resources to take care of these people. So instead, the people would turn to the visitors, and who would want a bunch of beggars at their father’s funeral, at their wedding etc.
Nevermind the fact that there are usually a few luxuries in a church that can be sold for good money. My brother’s church was robbed a few months ago and lost $3000 worth of musical equipment and silver religious cups or something. And that was a tiny little poor church with barely 50 members. In a normal sized church, I’d say you could steal more then that amount.
Besides, I’d bet none of you guys would take in a homeless man or woman and put him in your workplace to beg by the vending machines and wander through your staffmeetings. Would you feel comfortable if you were dressed in your sunday best and had to walk past a bunch of people in need of help. At least with homeless shelters everyone there is a volunteer and came there to help them, and the programs are in place to get them what they need. If they gather around an understaffed church, they aren’t getting the help they need, and are making it harder for the church to fufil its main goals in today’s society.
I’m sorry. I was under the mistaken belief that the main goal of churches was to love and help their fellow men and help people to show compassion and act better toward the least among us of society. At least, you know, if they are followers of Jesus. Since that was his main message. You argue that if one goes to a shelter you expect to see that. But apparently, if you go to a church you do not expect to have anyone challenge you to be a better person. So what is the point of a church?
Actually, the point of a church is to introduce people to Jesus and take care of them as a fellow believer. The church has no obligation to exist for the betterment of the community, they only do so out of love for other people and a desire to follow in the footsteps of Christ. First and foremost, the church is to lead people to Christ, in which helping the less fortunate is useful, but not instrumental. The widows and poor mentioned in the New Testament are members of the family of believers, not outside of it.
They would be hypocrites if they kept the food bank open if they didn’t want to out of obligation than them closing it down to focus on people who they see as sincerely searching for Christ. Helping people through life is only going to serve them until they die, helping them in their spiritual life will stay with them in the life to come (whether or not you believe in an afterlife, the church does, and if there really was an eternal afterlife, wouldn’t you have to concede that it would mean more than this short one on earth?)
And in case you’re going to jump on me and say that my point is that churches shouldn’t help the less fortunate: that’s not my point. My point is that a church *chooses* to help people. They aren’t obligated to.
^this
It never fails to amuse me when someone who clearly has never had any respect for religious beliefs, or the people who follow them, tries to call them out for failing to be more than human.
Seriously, it was church attempting to help people, and got in over it’s head. one church closes it’s doors, this isn’t good, but hundreds more are still helping people for no selfish reason. Yet almost everyone here is sitting high and mighty going “this is why religious people suck” when I’m more than willing to bet most of you don’t do jack s**t for anyone else, you expect others, like the church, to do it for you.
Nothing but a group of anti-religious bigots who think they are superior because a church tried to help others in need and failed, when the most you all ever did was vote on a bill to take money from someone else and give it to yourself.
Ah, the hypo-christians are at it again. The outpouring of love for their fellow humanity is truly touching. Nice…
The Unity Church is on the fringes of Christianity. It’s a self-help, human-potential based religion and this policy seems right up their alley from what I know about them.
So all the debates about scripture, Jesus, and Christian theology, while interesting and worthwhile, apply only tangentially to a news story about the Unity Church.
This is a huge fail. Helping the poor is what the church is *SUPPOSED* to do. Even a cursory reading of the book of Acts, especially chapter 2, should make that quite evident to anyone. The only reason the government started taking over that job in our society was because too many people in churches got lazy, and figured it was more important that they maintain respectability than it was to actually fulfill God’s mission. It is, after all, impossible to help someone spiritually who is too consumed with hunger to even bother to listen. Since even a single saved soul is more than worth any amount of indignity and exploitation by people who are not interested in being helped spiritually, the *ONLY* valid reason to cancel their food bank would have been if the church was simply financially unable to sustain it.
A church? Financial unable? ! Pshhhhhhhh
It can happen quite easily… since not everybody who goes to church is wealthy… nor (unfortunately) does everybody who goes to church give generously.
I WONDER IF THE “uncomfortable” church goers have an upside down crucifix in their house?
Excuse me, you bigoted jack♥sses. Yes, I’m probably talking to YOU, especially if you’re one of the ignorant chuckleheads who’ve already commented.
You aren’t reading the words of the article, you’re reading your own bigotry into it.
* They aren’t stopping the gathering of food, as the article makes clear. They are shutting down their distribution center.
* Calling out all christians for the actions of a tiny sub-cult like “Unity truth center” showcases your ignorance.
* This is not a debate thread about hom♥s♥xuality. At least find a relevant thread before displaying your ignorant guilt-by-association crud.
* It’s easy to be dismissive of people who are concerned about large concentrations of “street people” from the safety of your whitebread gated community, but I rather suspect that if you were there you’d be concerned too, you hypocrite.
* This is the exception, not the rule. Christian churches – including those traditionally black churches that bravely serve many high-risk, high need inner city communities – are a major provider of meals and other services to those who need it most, sometimes outstripping “official” aid in those areas. Your condemnation of their efforts based on this one atypical example is disgusting.
Bigotry is the product of ignorance. Before you spread more ignorance, why don’t you go to one of your local churches and ask them if they collect food for the poor? Maybe the answer will surprise you.
Wow, decaf my brother.
Thank you, Grandmaster Ryan, for your commandment on what we’re allowed to discuss and what’s right out. No debate about homosexuality because you said so, got it.
And thanks again for reminding me that I live in a whitebread gated community. I wasn’t aware of this until you told me; and you said so, it must be true.
I followed your advice to ask my local church if they collect food for the poor. Their answer, which as you said surprised me, was ‘no’. Thank you once again for helping me to get rid of my bigoted ignorance. You truly are a shining light of wisdom and unbiased informations.
you talked to someone at a church after 10pm?
I know, the concept of different timezones can be confusing.
They are not a “christian” church. they believe Jesus was a mystic and nothing more. They do not believe in sin or in hell. They are more of a new age type church. Closer to buddism or hindusim that Christianity.
Just because they have “church” in the name, does not mean they are followers of Christ.
They are really more concerned with their own “spiritual health” than they are helping others.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/unity.htm
You stupid liberals are just so fast to bash a Christian anything, for doing anything.
But you hypocrites NEVER seem to be able to see your own failures. Like the war on poverty. How long has THAT been going on?? Almost 70, 80 years? And it’s worse than ever? How about your destruction on the American family, or the almost total destruction on the American black family.
Yeah, you can’t see the forest because those dang trees keep getting in the way.
So fast to ridicule others, but you need to look in the mirror from time to time. You clods are the biggest failures out there. In fact, other than destroying America as a country, I can’t think of ANYthing you haven’t failed at.
Now, go fourth and blame republicans for all your failures. But remember, you dimocrats and liberals have been in charge almost constantly (save for a couple years out there, like Newt’s contract with America) since about the ’60′s. So almost ALL the bad stuff out there, has been YOUR fault.
And I’m hoping that will change soon enough. With the massive failure of that Marxist obama the lawless, I’m hoping it will be generations before you people EVER get elected to positions of power. It’s high time to let the adults run the show for a change.
Can’t tell if stupid or just troll
both
Talk Marxist to me…Pleeease!
I think the biggest fail on the part of any of the liberal, atheist, crypto communists, or anyone else on these boards with a severe left of center mentality is that they cannot point to any examples where the far left have banded together and created a widespread charity that has helped those in need.
True, many of them will give after natural disasters, but only after there is a celebrity telethon or something. John Stossel on 60 Minutes did a pretty eyeopening comparison between San Francisco and Dallas, both large cities with relatively similar populations, but overall the charity organizations in Dallas received nearly 12 times the donations than San Francisco got.
Many liberals have enormous hearts and honestly want to help people, but they put their faith in the wrong places and often never look to follow through on their owns. For the mocking they give to church goers and right wing people, the right wing are the ones who truly reach into their own pockets and give to those in need, not the far left.
Passive help by asking the government to try to help people will never be as successful than putting the money in the hands of a person belonging to a group that truly wants to help. That’s the fail on the part of the far left.
US-centrism and generalizations aside, I’ll reply to your last paragraph:
I’m pretty sure you would consider me a relatively far leftie (although I’d call myself center-left; but I’m a European, so that’s far left for Americans). My position on helping the least among us is that we can’t let this be an issue of individual willingness to help. What if this willingness fades, doesn’t provide sufficently for everyone in need? Especially in times of crisis that’s a quite real possibility; and that’s also exactly the time when help is needed the most.
In my view, national governments have the obligation to provide for their people. I think it’s inavoidable to come to this conclusion; and in this instance, as it is seldomly enough, it doesn’t matter whether one bases this obligation on the Christian view on humanity or on the principles of Humanism and the Enlightenment. The former can, the latter must bring one to this conclusion.
Now, I know from our previous conversations that you won’t change your point of view on this, and that’s fine by me. Obviously many Americans see it your way while most Europeans would rather agree with me. I’d always defend my opinion on this issue and naturally I’m convinced that my side has the better arguments than your side; comparing the poverty rates of the USA and most European nations (that have better social policies than the US) would be an example against your claim that government programs are always less successful than relying on non-governmental institutions. But that’s not my point right now.
What I would like to see is if you and people like you would acknowledge that my side has a legitimate argument. It’s not a ‘fail’ to be pro government assistance for people in need; it can be justified with good arguments. You’re free to disagree with those arguments and consider your arguments to be superior, but please accept that ‘we’ – the other side – disagree with you for good reasons.
he has one valid point as far as how things work in america: most who support government run programs will do next to nothing in terms of personal donations. If they give anything at all it will be to their political benefit.
Speaking as what everyone here would call far right american, i can say we aren’t against helping people, we don’t trust that if our government takes our money, helping the needy is what they will do. So what works for you doesn’t necessarily function perfectly on a different system.
Put simply, we’ve seen too many fails from everyone in charge to trust that they’ll do the right thing, ever.
And that is a valid argument, although I’d disagree with it. It can be used to be against governmental programs altogether, or to be for improved and functioning programs (an interesting question for right wing Americans would be “why do those programs work well elsewhere, and how do others make them work?”).
My point was that saying something along the lines of “it’s a fail (evil/stupid/insane/naive) to be for governmental programs; and my position is the only correct position on this issue” is neither correct nor very helpful for your discourse.
in much the same vein, hard to have a constructive conversation on how to fix the problem when all we hear from the other side is “you’re evil inhuman greedy bastards!”
It’s fixable, but that would require the rational from both sides be put in charge, and this is a country that decides all it’s leaders based on who looks good on TV. I’d say we have a lot to work out, and not enough of the right people to do just that.
Agreed, although I’d like to think you do have the right people, but they seldomly rise to the top. Those who make it to the top of the political food chain are apparently too often the wrong people.
I gotta say though, you as a self-described far right provide a great example that both sides have reasonable followers. More power to you.
and that has to be the highest compliment I’ve ever seen given on this site.
I’m not without my own fail moments, enough right bashing on this site to put a corpse into a rage, but I’m not proud of those moments. But then, i guess the biggest fail is coming to a site that mocks screw ups and expecting to find reasonable tolerant types. That being said, you surprised me too, it’s not often i hear the rational argument, without any insults to boot. sure we can’t trade Europe one of our democrats for you?
You’re welcome and thanks.
If I can pick and choose whoever I want, I would be in for a trade — as long as you keep your crazy biased propaganda machines, a.k.a. the media. But take into consideration that you’d then have to live with your new president Merkel and the secrtetary of state Westerwelle. Believe me, you don’t want that.
*squeeze!*
Why hello there.
I live in Québec, we got public healthcare for everybody to put and end to the ”I won’t get my problem/my child’s problem checked because I can’t afford it”. Living is a right, not a privilege to the rich. Wait in line like everybody else.
You are an idiot, and your US system is a fail when compared to the rest of the developped world.
Sincerely, from socialist Québec, yet to feel your never-ending economic crisis.
Dear Mr. Johnson, how very inspiring your rant is. It inspired me to ask myself when the last time was that I’ve seen someone bash himself and his position f*rst when that someone was facing something that can be considered a ‘fail’ for the respective ‘other side’.
Unfortunately, I couldn’t come up with a single example. I have never seen a liberal being self-critical right away when confronted with a conservative fail; and I’ve also never seen a conservative being self-critical right away when confronted with a liberal fail. Maybe you could provide a link to prove that I’m wrong?
If not, I can only assume that you’re just completely unwilling to accept that your side has ever done something wrong; or even, could do something wrong. The fact that you claim Democrats have “have been in charge almost constantly (save for a couple years out there, like Newt’s contract with America) since about the ’60′s” seems to indicate that this is actually the case. I’ve done a quick fact check and found out that since 1960 Democrats ruled for 22 years while Republicans ruled for 29 years. Hmmm.
Also: Read about Marxism. Don’t read modern propaganda, read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, etc. You’ll see for yourself that the claim that Obama is a Marxist has absolutely no connection to reality. None whatsoever. Doesn’t matter if you like or hate him, doesn’t matter if you think Marxism is fantastic or evil – Obama is not a Marxist. Not even close.
Education helps.
In moderation because I have written the name of the current US president. How ridiculous is that?!? Again:
Dear Mr. Johnson, how very inspiring your rant is. It inspired me to ask myself when the last time was that I’ve seen someone bash himself and his position f*rst when that someone was facing something that can be considered a ‘fail’ for the respective ‘other side’.
Unfortunately, I couldn’t come up with a single example. I have never seen a liberal being self-critical right away when confronted with a conservative fail; and I’ve also never seen a conservative being self-critical right away when confronted with a liberal fail. Maybe you could provide a link to prove that I’m wrong?
If not, I can only assume that you’re just completely unwilling to accept that your side has ever done something wrong; or even, could do something wrong. The fact that you claim Democrats have “have been in charge almost constantly (save for a couple years out there, like Newt’s contract with America) since about the ’60′s” seems to indicate that this is actually the case. I’ve done a quick fact check and found out that since 1960 Democrats ruled for 22 years while Republicans ruled for 29 years. Hmmm.
Also: Read about Marxism. Don’t read modern propaganda, read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, etc. You’ll see for yourself that the claim that the current US president is a Marxist has absolutely no connection to reality. None whatsoever. Doesn’t matter if you like or hate him, doesn’t matter if you think Marxism is fantastic or evil – the current president is not a Marxist. Not even close.
Education helps.
Unity churches are NOT true Christian churches. They use the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, but they DO NOT practice Christianity. They do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, worthy of worship, and part of the Holy Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). It is no wonder that they are confused in their mission. (see this link: http://www.religioustolerance.org/unity.htm)
Stop spamming, kthxbai.
Wow, took a while for this to make an appearance; this happened in 2000. No, this did not cost the church money. All the church did was provide a space for people to pick up some food once every two weeks. No one affiliated with the church even had to take part in the exchange. The Church may have closed its location, but the non-profit food bank Winnipeg Harvest still operates out of the spaces provided by property owners who are not a*holes.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/02/21/church.html
It is funny because some writer wrote a mean-spirited title to an interesting artlcle. Sounds like the church may be having some financial problems and they found a very interesting way to justify cutting a big cost. It does bring some very good questions in to the open.
Welfare has gone too far for too long. While it helps many to get on their feet during hard times, I believe that most people need to learn to live within their means.
Awwww It’s so cute.
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Just as a note. This article is 10 years old, and the Unity Church is not a Christian church… just to make clear. However, it still stands as the ultimate form of a FAIL to not be willing to care for the poor.
“Most clients of food banks have not yet come to a sense of personal responsibility.” I don’t know the statistics in Canada, but in the US the people who use food banks most are the working poor such as myself. Thankfully I have not had to go to one in over a year, but when I did I went to one located out of a church. They didn’t ask about my religion (Jewish) but if I told them they wouldn’t have cared. It was hard on my ego to have to use a food shelf when I had been giving to them my whole life, but my other option was to continue living in a group home. I wanted my freedom so I swallowed my pride and went. My disability limits my ability to work and I also have to be able to care for my service dog so I was grateful for the help. I found that the one located out of the church treated me with more dignity than the non-affiliated community one.
I know this is long and rambling. I just wanted to tell my story as most people on this site will be fortunate enough to never utilize a food bank.
But don’t worry: They’ll forever be ignorant enough to bash your benefactors. They are small-hearted engines of hate, just waiting to be told who it’s acceptable to hate.
Jews control the world you know. They’re greedy and evil and only helped you to make it look like they don’t hate you guts.
*snaps out of it*
Whoa… that was weird. Channeled an internet liberal for a few minutes there.
One of my favorite radio talk show hosts is a proudly admitted atheist (Bryan Suits, former KFI host in LA, moved to Washington state, but now does a once weekly military based show on Sundays). However, he said that he was very happy to have Mormon neighbors when he lived in Salt Lake city. They gave him gifts, if he dropped his wallet it would be returned with every dollar in it. If he left his car door open they would close it and leave him a note. If he needed money they would loan it to him and never think of asking for any of it back. South Park brought this up as well, as weird as the mormon religion is, and as easy as it is to make fun of their beliefs and mock them… they are the figgin’ nicest people on the planet. There’s not a single group around (exempting the cult compound mormons) who would actually make better neighbors.
I love the last line in the article “focus on people’s spiritual hunger”. How about you stop eating for a week and then decide which is more urgent, spiritual or physical hunger. What a piece of s**t thing to say.
Well that is sickening.
Actually the church I worked at in High School did this as well because too many homeless dudes were rolling up asking for food outside of the normal hours of operation parish foodbank to handle. There were a few situations of loitering and vagrancy and it alarmed the parishioners. It was a case of a few people ruining it for the rest. Eventually we kept the food drives going but directed everyone to the hunger shelter downtown where all our donated food was now sent. They were open 24 hours a day and could better distribute the food anyway. More so than our little church could.
I am originally from Winnipeg but now live in Ottawa, both are great places to live, the article in question is ANCIENT history.
There are many food banks and places devoted to helping the less fortunate, the church in question now does meals at an urban mission instead of their own church. I know this as my mom runs the urban mission I speak of. Now their services are directly in the area of where poverty runs rampant and I think that is a more viable solution than having these people travel to suburbia to be treated as a sub human species by those who are too ignorant to see a person in need.
Sounds like an ‘ol time: libertarian/republican/ tea-bagger/kill-the-poor/glen beck-ann rand/compassion-is-evil kinda church.
Makes me want throw-up.
Damn moderation. Let’s see:
f*rst
Marx
bash
assume
Lenin
Stalin
Obama
A-ha!
assume
No.
Obama
Seriously Mods? You’re moderating ‘Obama’?!? THAT’S THE PRESIDENT!!!!
No, I am.
Uh, this isn’t even a christian church.
So the real fail is the load of commenters bashing christianity when it has nothing to do with the story. Sheesh.
Ruby, exactly. Thank you!
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Note to ignorant people: The Unity church is not a Christian church. It’s New Age.
They are not the same thing as the Unitarian Universalist Church. The UU church, while also not Christian, is a completely different church. They are much closer to Humanist than anything else.
Robin, I’ve been in the Unity movement for 18 years, and Christ is very much at the center of my daily practice. You may or may not agree with how I express that faith, but I disagree with your assertion that Unity is “not a Christian church”. You may be aware that “new age” is a dismissive and pejorative term much like “fundie” or “Bible-thumper”.
I’m not a member of the church in the article, so I can’t speak for them. I think any organization, public or private, has the right to focus (or refocus) their outreach in ways that strengthens their relationship with those they serve.
Let me guess!”They are the Canadian version of USA’s GOP…………..
Clients of food banks have no responsibility? I hope this moron winds up on the street.
‘And jeebus said, “Come into the kingdom that I have prepared for you. For I was naked and you clothed me, I was hungry and you decided I was undesirable and irresponsible so you closed your food bank.”‘
This is about people who don’t want to change taking advantage of the Christian values of the Church in question.
Jesus said to help your fellow humans, he didn’t say be a sucker.
I think the subtext here is “We had no idea how ungrateful and entitled a lot of people can be even in tough situations”, but even though that’s a bit of an explanation it would probably have only made them look worse.
Most aren’t going to read all the comments here, so to get one in at the bottom you might see: It’s a UNITARIAN church. They do not teach Christian doctrine. They are NOT a Christian church. They are New Age liars.
As opposed to those old age liars, such as yourself?
Again I say “Christian love, UR doin it wrong.”
Charity with an agenda.
They should just donate the food to the local food bank.
The title made me laugh more than anything
Christian charity.. UR doin it wrong.
You know who has a fundamental tenants about helping the poor and feeding the hungry, Moslems.
Also any human being with a shred of decency, religious nor not.
Wow, what’s the rent for a fundamental tenant these days?
And can’t home-owning Muslims also help the poor?
I just wanted to say, I at one point was homeless when I was 24 for 4 months. This was not by choice and I depended on the church meals. Now I am not anymore and I am very grateful for those meals and having people who seemed to care about my well-fare regardless of my religion or past. Also, I was glad to have a roof over my head even if it was just for a meal. I know what some people are talking about, those homeless people who are really sick in their minds, because I caught on real fast about how there are two kinds of people in this world (AT ANY LEVEL OR LIFESTYLE I MIGHT ADD). When you are down and out, the strengths and weaknesses become REALLY clear. About half the people in the room at those meals were those who were trying to raise themselves up, like me. I remember when it dawned on me who was on what side. It was divided between people who had optimism and gratitude and a sense of responsibility, and people who were resentful, entitled and ungrateful. I was one of those people who would help clean up after the meals, put away the chairs, give my seconds to the first comers. Other people never even said “thank you” and would heap their plates regardless of how long the line was. I knew addicts and the mentally ill, who were also really grateful, sweet people who just couldn’t love themselves enough to get out of the situation. I also knew homeless guys who were clean(er) and nice but rotten on the inside. So, as a christian, I think you still have to give to the poor, even if its just for one or two of those of us who have the strength inside to keep trying. As a female being homeless, I was scared all the time. Those church meals were one of the few safe places for me. If you haven’t had that personal experience being homeless (Not by choice) then STF(Hell)U about “poor people who are spiritually weak” : P You’d be spiritually weak too, most likely, if you couldn’t shower when you wanted to. Lastly also the mentally ill ones, those are the ones that need the love the most. Addiction and mental illness are not a spiritual weakness, they are biological diseases which have genetic and environmental factors and can be treated with enough money and support. The ones who were rotten on the inside, you couldn’t tell based on their skin color, addiction habits or smell. So yeah. I’m also really involved in my spiritual community, and there are really mean, judgmental, insecure people who are careless and self-centered, and its not a factor of religion its a factor of any community. Sucks . . .