Well guess you do not know history. the flag shown is not the flag of the south it is the confederate battle flag that was carried onto the field to identify southern troops. But was not adopted by all the forces until almost the end of the war. Look up First, second, and third nation flag.
2. the War was not about slavery as you people with no education claim. the war was about states rights and taxation the north was making the south pay more taxes to pay off the war deficit for the revolutionary war. the emancipation proclamation was not signed by Lincoln until 1863 three years into the war, to get the colored to fight to defend the north because they were getting there butt whipped.
3.Linclon was a racist he did not like or tolerate blacks and wanted to send them back to africa where they came from.
4. Sherman and Grant owned farms with slaves. Lee and Jackson did not.
5. Before Lincoln Andrew Jackson created a proclamation to send all the Indians to the western territories on reservations he did not like Indians, He was president of the United States under the flag of the United states, so which flag is racist?
U tube.com search for Nelson Winbush or H.K.Egerton
Seriously dude . See a Doctor. The little voices in your head are lying to you .
Whatever version of the Confederate flag it may be , it has long since been adopted by racist hillbillies as their team colors .
As for your misinterpretation of history , The South seceded because they did not want the nation deciding if they were a free or slave states . A fact that greatly affected their economy , making any taxation seem burdenous.
As for Lincoln being a racist , you are right only on the count that virtually all white americans were participating in racism in the 1860s . An end to slavery was the dramatic change , no one could at that time be persuaded for total equality. even the constitutional amendments that came about as a result of the war , werent honored for many years later.
no you’re right. It was about drinking sweet tea on your porch and not having to pay taxes while citizens from underdeveloped countries worked without equal rights.
And stay in the kitchen and don’t even think about voting, woman.
Actually I’m from the south and I agree that it really isn’t considered a racist symbol down here at all, but rather a cultural symbol. And keep in mind that the North was hardly for equal rights either at the time. Please stick to what you know before yall go making assumptions.
Fail. It’s the Naval Jack of the confederacy. The “Confederate Flag” actually looked a great deal like the US flag: a small blue corner with stars for each member state, and red-and-white stripes dominating the field.
What? I thought the field was green and the stripes white. Also there is a white circle in the middle.
And there are four flags, one per corner!
Oh wait, are you talking about football or soccer now?
It doesn’t matter what the flag meant back then, or what some think what the civil war was fought over.
What matters is what it now represents.
And what it represents now is racism, hatred, fear and ignorance.
To claim it represents anything else is being disingenuous at best.
It’s right up there with the swastika.
your an idiot if you say the flag is racist then that means your racist, i have the flag on my skin for life and i will always suport it even when im chillen with my black friends so dont even try saying that its racist, people like you are the racist ones that would find a flag of all things reason to discriminate and talk down a person
yeh you go girl! now you totally not showing your ignorance and discrimination by deciding because some one is from the south that he must be racist redneck that has sex with his close relative. Right on.
And the naacp is not racist? How about the Indians they are still persecuted today. You need education badly.
Just because the weather underground carried a peace sign did they not plant bombs to try to blow up the pentagon and several govt buildings of the United States of America. the KKK you speak of was not about slavery either it was set up as a police force of the south during reconstruction because the north was not providing troops or law enforcement. the south was being corrupted and someone had to take charge. Ever hear of Zorro. it is to bad it got corrupted over time.
Skinheads well that is another story. Why they adopted the Saint Andrews cross flag, Confederate battle flag,the stars and bars probably the same reason you say it is racist, because that’s the way Lincolns cronies portray it to get colored troops to fight. So go read some history and come back again.
Blarney, what an asinine statement. I suppose you want to go to Buddist regions of the Far East and ask if they wouldn’t mind taking down all the swastika signs?
Kevin, I agree with you and it truly aggravates me that people’s knee jerk reactions cause them to twist everything around one detail that didn’t even fully represent the confederate view. At any rate, there was a lot to learn from both sides of the civil war and it is our history as a nation. There’s nothing wrong with your avatar.
The confederate flag does not stand for racism. It stands for rebellion. A sentiment which we actually need these days as our government screws us to death. It’s a symbol for not just sitting back and taking it when our government wrongs us, the people. I have black friends who fly the rebel flag. Find something important to argue about!
It was about states rights, but the only right they were fighting over was slavery. Saying it was not about slavery is disingenuous or uninformed. You could just as easily say the swastika represents German heritage and that WW2 was primarily about how the Germans were being oppressed by the strict terms of the treaty of Versailles. If slavery was just an unfortunate and minor side factor in the Civil War then the extermination of millions of Jews was just an unfortunate and minor side factor in WWII.
Drawing this analogy may ring true, but it is for more complicated than that. Until World War II, the Confederate flag and Confederate ancestry was widely disseminated. It is only after reflection of the Nazi Regime upon the Civil War – a different war entirely – and fought not for Fascism, (which the North actually was more aligned with) but for all kinds of issues surrounding states rights; but it did focus on whether or not Missouri would be allowed its own destiny – as either a state that allowed slaves, or one that doesn’t. So you are also half-correct, which makes you completely wrong.
Actually the holocaust was very much so a minor and unfortunate side factor of WW2 while it was being fought, it didn’t effect much of anything until the war was pretty much over and done with.
I could easily say the Holocaust played less of a factor in WW2 than Slavery did in the civil war
At the time of the Civil War, there were two states on the Union side in which Slavery was still legal, though not actually practiced in one of them.
The idea of slavery wasn’t tied to the Civil War until Lincoln wrote the Emancipation Proclamation in an attempt to stir waning support for the war from European backers. This was done several months after the war actually began.
Some things from me personally:
Research history from recounts of facts, not politically-minded sources.
Slavery = bad.
Done. I mean I’m done. Slam me and pick up a free “WIN” if you want; I’m done simply because I’m sure it’ll be a matter or mere seconds before someone decides that knowing historical facts equals racism.
you are close the emancipation Proclamation was not penned or signed until three years into the war not months. 1863. this was done to stir up the northern coloreds to get them to fight as troops agaist the south sine the north was getting their butts whipped.
not so much we don’t know what we are talking about, more the south likes to re write history books so no one there knows what anything means anymore. Because this country was founded by Jesus who conquered the dinosaurs, which were put here to test our faith in God. Don’t believe me? Oklahoma just made all international law unrecognizable in their courts. Dumbasses didn’t know that included their beloved 10 commandments. Stop changing history books and learn the “dirty” truth!
Watch out, your stupidity is showing. Having the name of MMMichelle I will assume you are a woman. This International law that Oklahoma banned that you are quick to criticize is primarily aimed at Sharia Law. Sharia Law allows men to murder/beat women who step out of line and/or merely accused of stepping out of line. Under that law, women have no rights under men. Think before you write.
Do you have any idea how ignorant it sounds for a U.S. state to ban Sharia law? As if they’re anticipating it’ll someday become the national standard. Is that anything BUT a statement against Islam? How ’bout “Think before you legislate.”
And just because it’s primarily aimed at Sharia law doesn’t mean MMMichelle isn’t correct about its actual implications.
Look at what’s going on in Minnesota right now. Businesses caving in to demands of various Muslim refugees– in a rightful and respectful wish to allow them to practice their religion and still be good employees– but to a point that it _precludes_ the rights of those outside their religion:
Cab drivers are allowed to refuse to take any passenger who admits to eating pork; cashiers don’t have to ring up customers who are buying pork, etc, etc.
While I think Oklahoma _is_ making a knee-jerk reaction and it’s fairly silly, I should point out that I feel the same way about TSA and the PATRIOT Act: completely out-of-line knee-jerk reactions that the voters wanted desperately at the time, because they failed to look toward the future and what those things meant in the future.
Now we have a “security agency” admitting to molestation and groping with the aim of making “see you naked” scanners seem more palatable, and a bunch of laws requiring truck drivers to swear to report on the actions of their middle-eastern neighbors before they will be issued a CDL.
The Ten Commandments are not applied in any US court of law. However, they were often used as a guideline for the *creation* of laws that now exist in the United States. Let’s see, don’t steal, don’t murder, don’t bear false witness… all kinds of stupid stuff like that.
Sharia Law is in fact a reasonable threat in that there are pockets of adherence surfacing in non-Muslim countries around the world. Look at the trouble England is having.
Whew, good thing no one tried to kill each other, steal or lie before the ten commandments. Must’ve been absolute hell before Moses told everyone those were actually kinda bad.
I don’t think calling the Ten Commandments the basis is really very accurate. “All sorts of stupid stuff like that” carries the fact that “Actually really only 3/10 are part of US law..oh well.”
This does make your Zappa references funny though, considering his feelings on religion!
And of course, if the concern is: “small group draws their own borders and imposes horrible laws within a US town,” then no matter of “illegal” is going to stop it, because the most objectionable parts are illegal already. So saying “That’s illegal, also it’s illegal” is a little stupid.
It also bans native american tribal law as it is not specifically excluded.
Banning sharia law in a country which is not an islamic republic is a red herring aimed to pacify paranoid morons. They must have a lot of them in Oklahoma.
The thing about the internet, is that you can just reword your query when you’re googling something until you come up with specifically what you were looking for – IE something to agree with you.
The confederate flag seems to stand for different things depending on where you’re from. I’m on the fence, but the same can also be said about the Nazi swastika. You have to realize that when you take such a charged symbol and use it to represent yourself, your people or your beliefs, you need to understand how the rest of the world sees it.
People flying the confederate flag often like to think they’re representing the south, but a lot of other people see it as a history of racism and all that other shiz that went down.
There are really better ways to represent yourself than to come across as a white supremacist immediately.
I moved from a large liberal city to a very small, redneck backwoods town. The town I live in is very racist. It’s not uncommon to see posters of colored people with racial slurs graffitid on them, et cetera. This town also hates gays, and anyone else who basically is… not white and a “full bred American”. This town also flies the confederate flag proudly. There is a very, very strong link here between those two things.
This is unfortunate. However, I think the comment was directed at a similarly unfortunate comment. Satire’s best effect comes from redirection, not through direct put-downs with its basis in rude stereotypes. It is my opinion, but using satire in this context becomes hypocritical, and not based on actual reasoning. This type of satire need not show in any form that it can be believed, and thus has the opposite effect as what was intended. I think instead it would be much better to try to understand both points of view; try to comprehend why the other person believes the way they do, because this shows respect; and respect offered is respect gained.
The confederate flag *isn’t* racist, but among most people, it’s a hotly debated thing. People aren’t going to listen, it was probably just a bad idea to use it as your avatar.
how can u sit there and call someone racist when you are sitting there talking crap about them kevin hasnt said one thing negative about anyone and your attacking him so whos racist now. Yes im racist, i hate all stupid people.
i’m not going to get into this conversation that’s going on here, but i just want to say that your last sentence there really make me crack up. “yes i’m racist, i hate all stupid people” XD
If you visit a state in the south you’ll probably see the confederate flag everywhere. It’s not supposed to mean “look at me I’m racist”. It’s more like “proud to be southern” or “I’m a redneck and proud of it!” Even black people wear stuff with that on it where I live.
There’s a dixie novelty store down the road that sells everything you can think of with the flag on it and there are tons of black people living all around it. They don’t care.
its just that theres usually a problem with the racist black people, they dont like it too much, funny how reverse racism works i get a laugh every time
I hate to feed the trolls but someone compared flying confederate flag to the symbol swastika. “What it represents now is racism, hatred, fear and ignorance. To claim it represents anything else is being disingenuous at best. It’s right up there with the swastika,” was the exact words. I disagree with both. I am Indian and was born in India. We know that the history of Swastika yet we consider it sacred. I don’t agree with the notion that just because something was associated with “hatred and fear” should remain so forever. Swastika was used as a religious symbol long before Nazi’s came along and to me, it will always be a sacred symbol, not a hateful one. I do, however, believe that if I was in a Jewish community or a predominately Jewish occupied area, I would be mindful of how I used the Swastika. For example, Swastika is drawn and used in many different cultural and religious festivities of Hindu Indians and if I had particularly sensitive neighbors, I would limit the usage inside my own home.
Similarly, I also happen to live in the “South”… And that too… Good ol’ Mississippi. The state is still quite sensitive to the racial issues and I have never seen anyone flying a Confederate flag here but the Mississippi flag is flown proudly along with the national flag. If you have ever seen the MS flag, you know that the top left corner is actually derived from the confederate flag. As far as the opinion regarding the flag, I think a lot of people have different opinion (in MS) regarding what it actually means. A lot of older generation seems to regard it as a symbol of southern heritage but a lot of younger kids associate it as “racist”. I agree with both parties. I think it a representation of the southern history and heritage but at the same time, a lot of uneducated people misuse the flag to mean insult and in a manner that is derogatory to others. In short, it’s both. And like Swastika, if it is indeed flow as a respect to Southern Culture, then people should be mindful of others while expressing their own views and this is what Freedom of Speech is all about.
And yes, I did write a novel. If any of you have made it this far, THANKS for reading!
Wow…..someone with an education. You’re a rare breed my friend. I fully agree with you. Just to add….the swastika was also used long ago but the ‘points’ went the other way. And the ignorance of the pentagram is sad as well.
No no no. The Nazi Swastika and the various religious symbols that share the same shape (but not colors) are not the same. The swastika is a simple geometric symbol that was used as early as the neolithic period. It is not a coincidence that Southerners and the Confederate Army which was assembled to fight for its right to own slaves share the same flag design. They are the same flag and thus stand for the same thing.
Thank you, guys! That was much appreciated, I didn’t think anybody would bother reading.
And Drat, I didn’t say they were the same, in fact, I said the contrary; they are NOT the same but because they share a resemblance, one should be mindful of how it displayed. We (and most other Hindus I know) draw Swastika either in Red or Orange, both of which are considered to be sacred colors. The only real difference between the Hindu Swastika and the ones that the Nazis used is the dots that is placed in-between; therefore it is a derivate of the original Swastika. You’re right that the geometric symbol was used during Neolithic age but you’re forgetting that the Mehrgarh (current day Pakistan) and the Indus-Valley Civilaziations both belong to the Neolithich
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You’re right that the geometric symbol was used during Neolithic age but you’re forgetting that the Mehrgarh (current day Pakistan) and the Indus-Valley Civilaziations both belong to the Neolithic Era (IVC is late neolithic) and that IVC artificats showed the usage of the symbol Hindu “Swastika”. Current day Indian, Pakistani, and Afghani, people all trace their roots back to the IVC. If anything, that just proves that the modern day symbols are all derivates of the original Swastika, i.e., the one that is still being used today by Hindus.
This is exactly why its not at all the same. The hindu swastika was never about racism. It didn’t split off and develop a non racist meaning. It never had anything to do with it. So its not about how you choose to view it, it literally has no connection. The confederate flag is the confederate flag though. It did have a foundation in the fight for the state right to own slaves. It is not related to a racist symbol, it is that same symbol. Understand what I’m saying now?
And it should be noted that since technically his avatar is square and not rectangular it is the American battle flag, not the flag of the confederacy, but I dont’ think that’s intentional and he claims it as the confederate flag so thats what I’m discussing.
I found your article thoughtful and considerate. The flag is used both ways and should not be construed otherwise; and to believe it always reflects racism comes out of hubris of the (formerly or otherwise) oppressed. No one is perfect.
However, once someone agrees with their own thoughts, they stop thinking. It is human, but it is flawed.
With all words or images that are meant to communicate something it is not reasonable for either the speaker or the listener to believe that they can define what a word communicates. Communication is a dynamic two way street. What is actually communicated is changed as much by the listener as it is by the speaker. If something has a positive meaning to me but I know that it has a negative meaning to you yet I choose to say it anyway, I am choosing to communicate the negative meaning because I know full well that you will take it that way. On the other hand the listener has just as much responsibility to accept what they know the speaker intends to communicate. If I know that he thinks the flag represents good values and not racism then its my responsibility to accept the communication as it was intended. But at the same time if I know that he knows most of his listeners(or viewers) will take offense and he chooses to display it then he is willingly communicating offense and I am free to view it as offense, even though he claims it has no offensive meaning. It can get very complicated.
I can agree with this as you have appropriately discriminated with proper qualifications. Yes, that’s all I wanted to say. Except, I do see you save time by leaving off apostrophes. Still, I suppose this makes it easier from your mobile device, or am I wrong? I find no fault in that. I see the point of the other comment too, however. I think life lacks a certain rationale, without balance in all things.
the problem is your ignorant and you have no idea what your talking about so keep it to your self, until you grow up and realize that your the most racist person on here at this time it is pointless for you to keep posting this retarded crap that you know nothing about
I must agree with that – unless their intention was to beg its attention. If this was their idea, they certainly could not have found more telling avatar. In my southern family whose grandfather from Ohio married an Atlanta Southerne Belle of the previous century, it was bad manners to draw attention to oneself except when it came time to present a reasonable argument.
Hahahaha! Just what the hell was she thinking?? Playing peek-a-boo between a horses hind legs doesn’t seem like a good idea no matter how one looks at it.
What a dumbass… if you think about it, getting s**t on was the *mildest* thing that could’ve gone wrong there. The horse could’ve spooked and trampled her.
That’s faked, clearly. I rode horses for like five years and cleaned barns, etc.. Someone pulled that horse’s tail to the side and pored a bucket of manure on her. Horses lift their tails up when they poo, not off to the side…and the whole process is much slower than this in real life (no delicate way to say this, is there? Horses can’t dump that much that fast when they…ya know, dump.)
I have been riding for six years, and some horses, especially gaited and arabian horses pull their tails to the side to crap. The amount of poop is alot, but is possible.
Clearly faked. In addition to it falling exactly as if it were poured out of a bucket, she knows it’s coming. Watch her face and you can tell she’s expecting it.
Ahem! The flag on that avatar is NOT the confederate flag, it was the battle flag. The confederate flag was much different. Go to a history class you yankees!
Amazing. This flag is what you make it. To me it’s about the history of this country. If someone sees racism, maybe they should stop seeing it like that while posting their sh*t on here. Like all the clowns that think an upright star in a circle is evil. So much for education.
Interpretation isn’t solely up to the communicator. I can’t redefine what giving the finger means and go around flipping people off and say its their fault for assuming I mean bad. If you know that someone will take offense to something and you communicate it anyway, you were knowingly being offensive. Likewise, if the viewer or listener knows that someone honestly means something innocent and doesn’t know its offensive yet chooses to view it in an unintended negative way then they are the one failing in the communication. It is a complicated two way street.
No, actually the flag with the circle was rejected by the Confederate Government. There is no essential difference, other than aspect, beween the Confederate Battle Flag and the one called The Confederate Flag. See here: http://americancivilwar.com/south/conflag/southflg.html
i understand these posts are from awhile ago, but i thought id give my two cents…. i agree with you totally. take the KKK for instances. they took the Christian cross and made it one of their symbols, but in todays society its still not considered a hate symbol. BUT….. Adolf Hitler took the Swastika and turned it so it faces a different way and now today its considered a hate symbol. now with the confederate flag, for the people who know its truth, it was never a hate or racist symbol, BUT now days because people are to ignorant to go and read the truth about history they automatically assume its a racist symbol. yes some people use the confederate flag as a racist symbol, but its kinda hard not to if most people jump to conclusions about why you have it.
It is exactly the same except that the confederate flag is rectangular like the U.S. flag. Other than being stretched it is exactly the same. Look it up. You are probably referring to the stars and bars which is what some people erroneously call the confederate flag. The stars and bars was actually an earlier version of the American flag.
Wow, this is so OBVIOUSLY fake. First, you can clearly see the horse’s butt, and there shit is definitely not coming from there. Second, horses lift their tails UP when they crap, not to the side. And the she cringes BEFORE it happens, and doesn’t even look surprised. Which begs the question: what kind of crazy idiot lets someone dump a bucket of horse crap on their head?? Even if it is for a joke, it’s still disgusting!
this is FAKE! anyone who works with horses knows, the tail never moves to the sides… only up and away.
f.ing idiots. you’ve all be douched!!!! lol in your face y’all…
oh she DID died.
hilarious
No she is stills alives!
Didn’t scare the kid but scared the horse XD!!!!!
its fake FYI
Definitely. Look at the angle from which the last load comes from. Some guy with a bucket throwing earth at her probably. Still funny, though.
yeah u cn totally tell somebody is sitting on the bk of de horse throwing it.
Grammatical errors take away dramatic effect.
Internet-meme fail on your side, deus.
Douche!
blah poo
I think it improved her hair cut.
Horse bathroom WIN!
Ya know…somewhere, someone thinks of this as a pronz.
Rule 34 I believe.
The back of her head most likely stimulated on the horses rectum and all the poop came out. They eat the poo poo!
When the horses’ tail moves to the side so should you.
Lol!
wise words…
The similar rule for cows is that when the cow’s tail goes up, that’s your signal to back off.
They eat the poo poo. lol What ever happened to that guy?
He at the poo poo. Then he dies.
*ate
ok i jsut posted it so it would be above them (below)
i like how it went from Peek-A-Poo to RACIST!
:l just sayin
Peek-a-poo?
There I said it.
damn i was gonna say that
^Racist bastard
how am i racist
your avatar dude. The south states flag
Well guess you do not know history. the flag shown is not the flag of the south it is the confederate battle flag that was carried onto the field to identify southern troops. But was not adopted by all the forces until almost the end of the war. Look up First, second, and third nation flag.
2. the War was not about slavery as you people with no education claim. the war was about states rights and taxation the north was making the south pay more taxes to pay off the war deficit for the revolutionary war. the emancipation proclamation was not signed by Lincoln until 1863 three years into the war, to get the colored to fight to defend the north because they were getting there butt whipped.
3.Linclon was a racist he did not like or tolerate blacks and wanted to send them back to africa where they came from.
4. Sherman and Grant owned farms with slaves. Lee and Jackson did not.
5. Before Lincoln Andrew Jackson created a proclamation to send all the Indians to the western territories on reservations he did not like Indians, He was president of the United States under the flag of the United states, so which flag is racist?
U tube.com search for Nelson Winbush or H.K.Egerton
Knowing history WIN.
Seriously dude . See a Doctor. The little voices in your head are lying to you .
Whatever version of the Confederate flag it may be , it has long since been adopted by racist hillbillies as their team colors .
As for your misinterpretation of history , The South seceded because they did not want the nation deciding if they were a free or slave states . A fact that greatly affected their economy , making any taxation seem burdenous.
As for Lincoln being a racist , you are right only on the count that virtually all white americans were participating in racism in the 1860s . An end to slavery was the dramatic change , no one could at that time be persuaded for total equality. even the constitutional amendments that came about as a result of the war , werent honored for many years later.
The picture is the confederate flag
Your picture is the confederation flag!
You know what this flag mean right?
you apparently don’t
no you’re right. It was about drinking sweet tea on your porch and not having to pay taxes while citizens from underdeveloped countries worked without equal rights.
And stay in the kitchen and don’t even think about voting, woman.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
He apparently likes eating the poo-poo, another thing not alowed.
u shut up
that is a cool flag you have there RESPECT
It means he’s a fan of The Dukes of Hazzard. So what?
I actually am lol
Actually I’m from the south and I agree that it really isn’t considered a racist symbol down here at all, but rather a cultural symbol. And keep in mind that the North was hardly for equal rights either at the time. Please stick to what you know before yall go making assumptions.
Fail. It’s the Naval Jack of the confederacy. The “Confederate Flag” actually looked a great deal like the US flag: a small blue corner with stars for each member state, and red-and-white stripes dominating the field.
What? I thought the field was green and the stripes white. Also there is a white circle in the middle.
And there are four flags, one per corner!
Oh wait, are you talking about football or soccer now?
Read my post dude you’ll be smarter
the civil war was NOT all about slavery
sigh
It doesn’t matter what the flag meant back then, or what some think what the civil war was fought over.
What matters is what it now represents.
And what it represents now is racism, hatred, fear and ignorance.
To claim it represents anything else is being disingenuous at best.
It’s right up there with the swastika.
your an idiot if you say the flag is racist then that means your racist, i have the flag on my skin for life and i will always suport it even when im chillen with my black friends so dont even try saying that its racist, people like you are the racist ones that would find a flag of all things reason to discriminate and talk down a person
yeh you go girl! now you totally not showing your ignorance and discrimination by deciding because some one is from the south that he must be racist redneck that has sex with his close relative. Right on.
Say three Hail Marys and go visit the Cyclorama.
How the crap did we get here from a gif of a woman being dumped on by a horse?!
Thank you! Seriously, wtf?!?
LOL
circular logic is circular
HITLER!
Ethnicity is not comparable to political belief if you are not a complete retard.
Astounding. It’s odd that folks who have never flown a flag or lived under it can dictate what it means to those who have or do.
And the naacp is not racist? How about the Indians they are still persecuted today. You need education badly.
Just because the weather underground carried a peace sign did they not plant bombs to try to blow up the pentagon and several govt buildings of the United States of America. the KKK you speak of was not about slavery either it was set up as a police force of the south during reconstruction because the north was not providing troops or law enforcement. the south was being corrupted and someone had to take charge. Ever hear of Zorro. it is to bad it got corrupted over time.
Skinheads well that is another story. Why they adopted the Saint Andrews cross flag, Confederate battle flag,the stars and bars probably the same reason you say it is racist, because that’s the way Lincolns cronies portray it to get colored troops to fight. So go read some history and come back again.
Blarney, what an asinine statement. I suppose you want to go to Buddist regions of the Far East and ask if they wouldn’t mind taking down all the swastika signs?
The cotton balls in my bathroom closet are so old slaves pick it.
Its a symbol of southern heritage google it
heritage not hate southern born, southern raised, southern till i die,
This was stereotypical and bigoted of me to say. Sorry for my hypocritical statement. And all my other rude and offending statements on this page.
couldnt agree more
Yeah, and my flag with the hammer and sickle is representative of the hard working men and women of America. I make my own rules!
replace America with the largest country in the world and you have what they thought….
wait how big is china now???
make that second largest
you deserve it if that’s what you think. Man you need to read history badly get an education then write.
Yes, use an avatar that is about love and inclusion. Not hate and exclusion.
u r ghey (and not in the good way)
treu im on yo side
Kevin, I agree with you and it truly aggravates me that people’s knee jerk reactions cause them to twist everything around one detail that didn’t even fully represent the confederate view. At any rate, there was a lot to learn from both sides of the civil war and it is our history as a nation. There’s nothing wrong with your avatar.
The confederate flag does not stand for racism. It stands for rebellion. A sentiment which we actually need these days as our government screws us to death. It’s a symbol for not just sitting back and taking it when our government wrongs us, the people. I have black friends who fly the rebel flag. Find something important to argue about!
I’m starting to get tired of arguing with people who don’t know what they are talking about.
Civil War was about States Rights, correct?
mostly
almost a lil slavery comes with it to
It was about states rights, but the only right they were fighting over was slavery. Saying it was not about slavery is disingenuous or uninformed. You could just as easily say the swastika represents German heritage and that WW2 was primarily about how the Germans were being oppressed by the strict terms of the treaty of Versailles. If slavery was just an unfortunate and minor side factor in the Civil War then the extermination of millions of Jews was just an unfortunate and minor side factor in WWII.
Drawing this analogy may ring true, but it is for more complicated than that. Until World War II, the Confederate flag and Confederate ancestry was widely disseminated. It is only after reflection of the Nazi Regime upon the Civil War – a different war entirely – and fought not for Fascism, (which the North actually was more aligned with) but for all kinds of issues surrounding states rights; but it did focus on whether or not Missouri would be allowed its own destiny – as either a state that allowed slaves, or one that doesn’t. So you are also half-correct, which makes you completely wrong.
Actually the holocaust was very much so a minor and unfortunate side factor of WW2 while it was being fought, it didn’t effect much of anything until the war was pretty much over and done with.
I could easily say the Holocaust played less of a factor in WW2 than Slavery did in the civil war
read my post you’ll learn something that you can use to correct your ignorance
This would make sense except for two things:
At the time of the Civil War, there were two states on the Union side in which Slavery was still legal, though not actually practiced in one of them.
The idea of slavery wasn’t tied to the Civil War until Lincoln wrote the Emancipation Proclamation in an attempt to stir waning support for the war from European backers. This was done several months after the war actually began.
Some things from me personally:
Research history from recounts of facts, not politically-minded sources.
Slavery = bad.
Done. I mean I’m done. Slam me and pick up a free “WIN” if you want; I’m done simply because I’m sure it’ll be a matter or mere seconds before someone decides that knowing historical facts equals racism.
THANK YOU. Someone who ACTUALLY has their head out of their ass.
you are close the emancipation Proclamation was not penned or signed until three years into the war not months. 1863. this was done to stir up the northern coloreds to get them to fight as troops agaist the south sine the north was getting their butts whipped.
not so much we don’t know what we are talking about, more the south likes to re write history books so no one there knows what anything means anymore. Because this country was founded by Jesus who conquered the dinosaurs, which were put here to test our faith in God. Don’t believe me? Oklahoma just made all international law unrecognizable in their courts. Dumbasses didn’t know that included their beloved 10 commandments. Stop changing history books and learn the “dirty” truth!
Watch out, your stupidity is showing. Having the name of MMMichelle I will assume you are a woman. This International law that Oklahoma banned that you are quick to criticize is primarily aimed at Sharia Law. Sharia Law allows men to murder/beat women who step out of line and/or merely accused of stepping out of line. Under that law, women have no rights under men. Think before you write.
Do you have any idea how ignorant it sounds for a U.S. state to ban Sharia law? As if they’re anticipating it’ll someday become the national standard. Is that anything BUT a statement against Islam? How ’bout “Think before you legislate.”
And just because it’s primarily aimed at Sharia law doesn’t mean MMMichelle isn’t correct about its actual implications.
Legislating against Sharia law in America –> reference red herring
Look at what’s going on in Minnesota right now. Businesses caving in to demands of various Muslim refugees– in a rightful and respectful wish to allow them to practice their religion and still be good employees– but to a point that it _precludes_ the rights of those outside their religion:
Cab drivers are allowed to refuse to take any passenger who admits to eating pork; cashiers don’t have to ring up customers who are buying pork, etc, etc.
While I think Oklahoma _is_ making a knee-jerk reaction and it’s fairly silly, I should point out that I feel the same way about TSA and the PATRIOT Act: completely out-of-line knee-jerk reactions that the voters wanted desperately at the time, because they failed to look toward the future and what those things meant in the future.
Now we have a “security agency” admitting to molestation and groping with the aim of making “see you naked” scanners seem more palatable, and a bunch of laws requiring truck drivers to swear to report on the actions of their middle-eastern neighbors before they will be issued a CDL.
Sharia law doesn’t allow that you ignorant tool.
As it happens, that amendment would also forbid the Ten Commandments.
The Ten Commandments are not applied in any US court of law. However, they were often used as a guideline for the *creation* of laws that now exist in the United States. Let’s see, don’t steal, don’t murder, don’t bear false witness… all kinds of stupid stuff like that.
Sharia Law is in fact a reasonable threat in that there are pockets of adherence surfacing in non-Muslim countries around the world. Look at the trouble England is having.
Whew, good thing no one tried to kill each other, steal or lie before the ten commandments. Must’ve been absolute hell before Moses told everyone those were actually kinda bad.
I don’t think calling the Ten Commandments the basis is really very accurate. “All sorts of stupid stuff like that” carries the fact that “Actually really only 3/10 are part of US law..oh well.”
This does make your Zappa references funny though, considering his feelings on religion!
And of course, if the concern is: “small group draws their own borders and imposes horrible laws within a US town,” then no matter of “illegal” is going to stop it, because the most objectionable parts are illegal already. So saying “That’s illegal, also it’s illegal” is a little stupid.
It also bans native american tribal law as it is not specifically excluded.
Banning sharia law in a country which is not an islamic republic is a red herring aimed to pacify paranoid morons. They must have a lot of them in Oklahoma.
Well this has turned into quite a discussion/argument.
dude maby you should have put on the flamesuit….
Hey maybe she’s into sheizer vids and wanted to make her own.
Scheiße*
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_or_did_the_Confederate_flag_represent
wiki is open source, anybody can edit it to fit their POV.
so why didn’t someone fix it hmm
Perhaps it’s already been “fixed” by one who thinks as you do.
Oh noes! A conspiracy!
http://www.usapresidentmccain.com/2008/05/confederate-flag-what-does-it-mean.html there something that is not wiki
The thing about the internet, is that you can just reword your query when you’re googling something until you come up with specifically what you were looking for – IE something to agree with you.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/86418/the_flag_of_the_confederacy_still_stands.html?cat=9
http://ecarson.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/the-confederate-flag-symbol-of-culture-or-racism/
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/558239/does_the_confederate_flag_represent.html?cat=9
The confederate flag seems to stand for different things depending on where you’re from. I’m on the fence, but the same can also be said about the Nazi swastika. You have to realize that when you take such a charged symbol and use it to represent yourself, your people or your beliefs, you need to understand how the rest of the world sees it.
People flying the confederate flag often like to think they’re representing the south, but a lot of other people see it as a history of racism and all that other shiz that went down.
There are really better ways to represent yourself than to come across as a white supremacist immediately.
I moved from a large liberal city to a very small, redneck backwoods town. The town I live in is very racist. It’s not uncommon to see posters of colored people with racial slurs graffitid on them, et cetera. This town also hates gays, and anyone else who basically is… not white and a “full bred American”. This town also flies the confederate flag proudly. There is a very, very strong link here between those two things.
Alex FTW!
and that is a load of crap
Failure to recognize satire is the first symptom of idiocy.
This is unfortunate. However, I think the comment was directed at a similarly unfortunate comment. Satire’s best effect comes from redirection, not through direct put-downs with its basis in rude stereotypes. It is my opinion, but using satire in this context becomes hypocritical, and not based on actual reasoning. This type of satire need not show in any form that it can be believed, and thus has the opposite effect as what was intended. I think instead it would be much better to try to understand both points of view; try to comprehend why the other person believes the way they do, because this shows respect; and respect offered is respect gained.
where did you learn that
Dr. Phil.
ahahahahah BERTBAD FTW
HA!
You’re barking up an iron wall.
The confederate flag *isn’t* racist, but among most people, it’s a hotly debated thing. People aren’t going to listen, it was probably just a bad idea to use it as your avatar.
and what do you represent, a giant X ya thats alot better
how can u sit there and call someone racist when you are sitting there talking crap about them kevin hasnt said one thing negative about anyone and your attacking him so whos racist now. Yes im racist, i hate all stupid people.
i’m not going to get into this conversation that’s going on here, but i just want to say that your last sentence there really make me crack up. “yes i’m racist, i hate all stupid people” XD
Kevin isn’t a race nor is stupid.
If you visit a state in the south you’ll probably see the confederate flag everywhere. It’s not supposed to mean “look at me I’m racist”. It’s more like “proud to be southern” or “I’m a redneck and proud of it!” Even black people wear stuff with that on it where I live.
There’s a dixie novelty store down the road that sells everything you can think of with the flag on it and there are tons of black people living all around it. They don’t care.
its just that theres usually a problem with the racist black people, they dont like it too much, funny how reverse racism works i get a laugh every time
I just googled Confederate Flag Bikini. All is forgiven by me to you guys. The South shall rise again in my pants. God Bless Southern Girls!
I hate to feed the trolls but someone compared flying confederate flag to the symbol swastika. “What it represents now is racism, hatred, fear and ignorance. To claim it represents anything else is being disingenuous at best. It’s right up there with the swastika,” was the exact words. I disagree with both. I am Indian and was born in India. We know that the history of Swastika yet we consider it sacred. I don’t agree with the notion that just because something was associated with “hatred and fear” should remain so forever. Swastika was used as a religious symbol long before Nazi’s came along and to me, it will always be a sacred symbol, not a hateful one. I do, however, believe that if I was in a Jewish community or a predominately Jewish occupied area, I would be mindful of how I used the Swastika. For example, Swastika is drawn and used in many different cultural and religious festivities of Hindu Indians and if I had particularly sensitive neighbors, I would limit the usage inside my own home.
Similarly, I also happen to live in the “South”… And that too… Good ol’ Mississippi. The state is still quite sensitive to the racial issues and I have never seen anyone flying a Confederate flag here but the Mississippi flag is flown proudly along with the national flag. If you have ever seen the MS flag, you know that the top left corner is actually derived from the confederate flag. As far as the opinion regarding the flag, I think a lot of people have different opinion (in MS) regarding what it actually means. A lot of older generation seems to regard it as a symbol of southern heritage but a lot of younger kids associate it as “racist”. I agree with both parties. I think it a representation of the southern history and heritage but at the same time, a lot of uneducated people misuse the flag to mean insult and in a manner that is derogatory to others. In short, it’s both. And like Swastika, if it is indeed flow as a respect to Southern Culture, then people should be mindful of others while expressing their own views and this is what Freedom of Speech is all about.
And yes, I did write a novel. If any of you have made it this far, THANKS for reading!
“FTW” as they say. The smartest post I’ve seen on this thread.
Also, the Navajos used the Swastika. Dang plagiarizing Nazis.
Best comment so far. Everything has been said.
Wow…..someone with an education. You’re a rare breed my friend. I fully agree with you. Just to add….the swastika was also used long ago but the ‘points’ went the other way. And the ignorance of the pentagram is sad as well.
No no no. The Nazi Swastika and the various religious symbols that share the same shape (but not colors) are not the same. The swastika is a simple geometric symbol that was used as early as the neolithic period. It is not a coincidence that Southerners and the Confederate Army which was assembled to fight for its right to own slaves share the same flag design. They are the same flag and thus stand for the same thing.
it was an indian religious sign for teh suns, hitler was a theif
Thank you, guys! That was much appreciated, I didn’t think anybody would bother reading.
And Drat, I didn’t say they were the same, in fact, I said the contrary; they are NOT the same but because they share a resemblance, one should be mindful of how it displayed. We (and most other Hindus I know) draw Swastika either in Red or Orange, both of which are considered to be sacred colors. The only real difference between the Hindu Swastika and the ones that the Nazis used is the dots that is placed in-between; therefore it is a derivate of the original Swastika. You’re right that the geometric symbol was used during Neolithic age but you’re forgetting that the Mehrgarh (current day Pakistan) and the Indus-Valley Civilaziations both belong to the Neolithich
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You’re right that the geometric symbol was used during Neolithic age but you’re forgetting that the Mehrgarh (current day Pakistan) and the Indus-Valley Civilaziations both belong to the Neolithic Era (IVC is late neolithic) and that IVC artificats showed the usage of the symbol Hindu “Swastika”. Current day Indian, Pakistani, and Afghani, people all trace their roots back to the IVC. If anything, that just proves that the modern day symbols are all derivates of the original Swastika, i.e., the one that is still being used today by Hindus.
This is exactly why its not at all the same. The hindu swastika was never about racism. It didn’t split off and develop a non racist meaning. It never had anything to do with it. So its not about how you choose to view it, it literally has no connection. The confederate flag is the confederate flag though. It did have a foundation in the fight for the state right to own slaves. It is not related to a racist symbol, it is that same symbol. Understand what I’m saying now?
And it should be noted that since technically his avatar is square and not rectangular it is the American battle flag, not the flag of the confederacy, but I dont’ think that’s intentional and he claims it as the confederate flag so thats what I’m discussing.
I found your article thoughtful and considerate. The flag is used both ways and should not be construed otherwise; and to believe it always reflects racism comes out of hubris of the (formerly or otherwise) oppressed. No one is perfect.
However, once someone agrees with their own thoughts, they stop thinking. It is human, but it is flawed.
With all words or images that are meant to communicate something it is not reasonable for either the speaker or the listener to believe that they can define what a word communicates. Communication is a dynamic two way street. What is actually communicated is changed as much by the listener as it is by the speaker. If something has a positive meaning to me but I know that it has a negative meaning to you yet I choose to say it anyway, I am choosing to communicate the negative meaning because I know full well that you will take it that way. On the other hand the listener has just as much responsibility to accept what they know the speaker intends to communicate. If I know that he thinks the flag represents good values and not racism then its my responsibility to accept the communication as it was intended. But at the same time if I know that he knows most of his listeners(or viewers) will take offense and he chooses to display it then he is willingly communicating offense and I am free to view it as offense, even though he claims it has no offensive meaning. It can get very complicated.
Totally agree, thank you for making this point.
I can agree with this as you have appropriately discriminated with proper qualifications. Yes, that’s all I wanted to say. Except, I do see you save time by leaving off apostrophes. Still, I suppose this makes it easier from your mobile device, or am I wrong? I find no fault in that. I see the point of the other comment too, however. I think life lacks a certain rationale, without balance in all things.
the problem is your ignorant and you have no idea what your talking about so keep it to your self, until you grow up and realize that your the most racist person on here at this time it is pointless for you to keep posting this retarded crap that you know nothing about
Will you please stop using “your” when you really mean to say “you’re”? It makes you seem ignorant.
You’re = You are.
I must agree with that – unless their intention was to beg its attention. If this was their idea, they certainly could not have found more telling avatar. In my southern family whose grandfather from Ohio married an Atlanta Southerne Belle of the previous century, it was bad manners to draw attention to oneself except when it came time to present a reasonable argument.
More like Peek-a-POO.
Hahaha!
… I poo you!
Hahahaha! Just what the hell was she thinking?? Playing peek-a-boo between a horses hind legs doesn’t seem like a good idea no matter how one looks at it.
a fetish maybe, i think so
She could have died if the horse squeezed her head a little bit.
The poo came out in two waves, why didn’t she leave after the first few, before the torrent of poo?
Ew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t take no bulls**t. Only from horses.
You know it should be called ‘Peek-a-POO’
What a s**t head.
You got it straight from the horse’s a$$.
Lol! Hilarious!!!
Can’t belive in this…
ENOUGH with these sh!tty GIFs already. Video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdRlkfGLYWY (took 3 seconds of googling)…
This is a robust woman. She really hung in there, even when the horse was totally bombarding her. When life gives you horsesh*t, make mushrooms!
Reminds me of Dave Chapelle’s “I wanna Piss on You” R-Kelly Spoof.
The best part of that video was the bucket labeled “R. Kelly’s Doo Doo Butter”.
“This is the remix edition, of the song about pissin’”
Good job it didn’t simultaneously debladder and piss all down the back of her neck.
At what point does a person think to themself, “Hey, it would be hilarious if I stuck my head in between the hind legs of this horse.”
What a dumbass… if you think about it, getting s**t on was the *mildest* thing that could’ve gone wrong there. The horse could’ve spooked and trampled her.
That was the point of the whole video though. She says something along the lines of “this horse is so tame/calm I can even go through its legs!”
At least it was nice and dry.
Weekend trip to the countryside …………………. 125 $
Hairstyle ………………………………………………….. 50 $
Picnic, lemmonade …………………………………….. 32 $
Rubbing a horses’ d*ck with your back while it s**ts on your head and getting cought on cammera ………… priceless!
What a complete sh!thead?!
Mess with the bull, you get the horns.
Mess with the horse and you get sh!t
What a s**t head.
She should have known better than to put her head there. She was pretty much asking for it.
What a sh*T head.
Why can’t this happen to Glenn Beck?
Best comment on this thread by far.
this is hilarious but why is failblog/senorGIF making a GIF pic of every video?
where can you find this video? I’d love to see the whole scene at normal speed and “the after” LOL
its a female horse =O
Pretty sure its not. At all.
Peek a boo is the s**ttiest childs game ever. Hide N seek is way better.
Also: Her expression almost makes it look like shes enjoying it.
she loved it, think she’s got one of those nasty fetishes
One of the ads on this page is a girl covered in mud :S
That’s faked, clearly. I rode horses for like five years and cleaned barns, etc.. Someone pulled that horse’s tail to the side and pored a bucket of manure on her. Horses lift their tails up when they poo, not off to the side…and the whole process is much slower than this in real life (no delicate way to say this, is there? Horses can’t dump that much that fast when they…ya know, dump.)
Your right
My right? Or his right?
yes.
Yay, a Grammar Nazi. *snore*
good catch. I have to agree.
In retrospect you are correct. Another staged fail. We are such tools.
On the other hand, if that was real poo the collected for the stunt, well…
I certainly wouldn’t want to meet her, then.
I have been riding for six years, and some horses, especially gaited and arabian horses pull their tails to the side to crap. The amount of poop is alot, but is possible.
don’t you love the first trickle…
Clearly faked. In addition to it falling exactly as if it were poured out of a bucket, she knows it’s coming. Watch her face and you can tell she’s expecting it.
That’s a really crappy hairstyle.
dude i was gonna say that
it should be Beek-a-Poo
Ahem! The flag on that avatar is NOT the confederate flag, it was the battle flag. The confederate flag was much different. Go to a history class you yankees!
Wasn’t the flag with the stars in a circle the confederate flag.
Amazing. This flag is what you make it. To me it’s about the history of this country. If someone sees racism, maybe they should stop seeing it like that while posting their sh*t on here. Like all the clowns that think an upright star in a circle is evil. So much for education.
Interpretation isn’t solely up to the communicator. I can’t redefine what giving the finger means and go around flipping people off and say its their fault for assuming I mean bad. If you know that someone will take offense to something and you communicate it anyway, you were knowingly being offensive. Likewise, if the viewer or listener knows that someone honestly means something innocent and doesn’t know its offensive yet chooses to view it in an unintended negative way then they are the one failing in the communication. It is a complicated two way street.
No, actually the flag with the circle was rejected by the Confederate Government. There is no essential difference, other than aspect, beween the Confederate Battle Flag and the one called The Confederate Flag. See here:
http://americancivilwar.com/south/conflag/southflg.html
i understand these posts are from awhile ago, but i thought id give my two cents…. i agree with you totally. take the KKK for instances. they took the Christian cross and made it one of their symbols, but in todays society its still not considered a hate symbol. BUT….. Adolf Hitler took the Swastika and turned it so it faces a different way and now today its considered a hate symbol. now with the confederate flag, for the people who know its truth, it was never a hate or racist symbol, BUT now days because people are to ignorant to go and read the truth about history they automatically assume its a racist symbol. yes some people use the confederate flag as a racist symbol, but its kinda hard not to if most people jump to conclusions about why you have it.
There’s like, 100 different flags that all resemble each other. Excuse the non-history majors for not being able to differentiate between them all.
It is exactly the same except that the confederate flag is rectangular like the U.S. flag. Other than being stretched it is exactly the same. Look it up. You are probably referring to the stars and bars which is what some people erroneously call the confederate flag. The stars and bars was actually an earlier version of the American flag.
well some chicks like to get pooped on
Peak a Poo!
god thing he didnt fart on you or by know youll be dead
Wow so that’s how Amy Winehouse gets her hair to look like that…
fake and gay, someones pouring a bucket of poo on her head, look at the angle of the poo coming down
Yeah you’re right. I thought it was real but then I watched more carefully… some of the poo is going TOWARDS the horse’s leg, not away from it.
Watch her facial expression. She cringes before it happens. This is definitely staged.
The poo is coming down from an area higher than the horse’s butt. So obviously fake.
Wow, this is so OBVIOUSLY fake. First, you can clearly see the horse’s butt, and there shit is definitely not coming from there. Second, horses lift their tails UP when they crap, not to the side. And the she cringes BEFORE it happens, and doesn’t even look surprised. Which begs the question: what kind of crazy idiot lets someone dump a bucket of horse crap on their head?? Even if it is for a joke, it’s still disgusting!
Eat-a-poo WIN
OH SH-
HORSE WM CUP 2012
SH*T IN HER MOUTH!!!!
Gooooood !
this is FAKE! anyone who works with horses knows, the tail never moves to the sides… only up and away.
f.ing idiots. you’ve all be douched!!!! lol in your face y’all…
that hairstyle deserves some poo
fake
more like peek-a-POO
1. Eeeewwwww :S
2. Who the frick would think that was a good idea? (Obviously, this genius did)
sheer and utter PWN4G3.
PEEK A POO
girl’s IQ: poo
.. that is why you do NOT play peek-a-boo behind a horse’s butt.
A fake gif on failblog? IT CAN’T BE!!!
Who plays peek-a-boo on behind a horse´s ass?
Doesn’t she look a lot like Stephenie Meyer?
Oh my God. That is NASTY.
Jesus people…. Get jobs.
OMG. Peek a boooooo