The punctuation you’re supposed to end that with is a period. It looks like the small dot-like thing in the brackets [.] and would have a proper placement of between the final y in “definitely” and the final quotation mark that immediately follows it. Your post would look like this:
The word that you’re looking for is “definitely.”
You also forgot to capitalize the T in “the,” however, the fact that you used the correct word when typing “you’re” was enough to let it slide.
Don’t be a Grammar Nazi unless you’re ready for The Grammar Jew.
He wasn’t being a grammar Nazi, he was being a spelling Nazi. That throws out your whole reason for pestering him.
Also, his post, if written correctly, probably should have looked like this;
The word that you’re looking for is “definitely”.
Sentence ending punctuation can be inside quotes, when a sentence inside the quote ends with the correct punctuation for the parent sentence. Otherwise, the punctuation should be outside the quotes, as in the case where only a word was quoted, not a sentence or even an idea that would require punctuation of it’s own.
You’re dumb. The punctuation is NEVER outside of the quotation marks. It is always in them if they’re at the end of a sentence. Take a college writing course or something, dang. You’re dumb.
Not that those rules are wrong, but Jane Straus is a nobody who can suck my balls. Credibility fail.
Personally, I punctuate outside the quotation marks, even if there is a punctuation mark inside the quotation as well.
Did he ask, “Did I make a mistake?”?
Because it makes sense. A quote is a distinct structure that may or may not be a sentence, but it has no business warping the containing structure, imo.
Also, I find that periods are often omittable, especially for the only sentence on a line. Because that makes sense to me too. A declarative sentence is the default sentence. You only need explicit punctuation if you are using it to change the meaning of the sentence. Otherwise it’s really just acting as spacing.
I generally omit anything that doesn’t help express the point I’m trying to express
LOL. This is too funny. I have to agree that the punctuation should indeed be outside of the question marks. It ends the sentence, it doesn’t end the quote, for it was no sentence. Seems to me that the Grammar Jew needs a few lessons himself.
But hey, what do I know? I’m Dutch.
The sign is a definite WIN, though (back to topic).
But when you already have more than one question mark in your sentence (as indicated by your use of the plural form in “the question marks”), wouldn’t it be overkill to add a dot on top of it?
British and American English differ on this subject.
The British English version makes more sense: punctuation in the quote stays inside the end quote, while punctuation for the sentence as a whole goes after the end quote.
American English requires all punctuation inside the end quote, which ends up being confusing in many cases.
Interestingly, American editors USED to use the British system. It’s a relatively recent phenomenon that we now use the (inferior) American system.
And FWIW, I agree that this sign is a total win, not fail.
Wow. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much wrong in one fail of an explanation.
You always put periods within quotes, if it’s the end of the sentence.
For instance:
She said “I love you.”
If it’s the end of the quote sentence, but not the end of the sentence, you would just use a comma.
“I love you,” she said.
Also, you would never put a period, then quotes, then question mark. You should just leave out the period.
Did he say “You’re a moron”?
Yes, he said “You’re a moron.”
What was it that he said? Oh, right, “blue.”
Actually, you’re wrong about period usage within quotes. It’s actually pretty simple; there are only two rules:
1. If American, periods and commas always appear inside quotation marks (when quotation marks are used). All other punctuation marks can be placed either inside or outside quotes as context dictates.
2. If not American, all punctuation marks (including periods and commas) can be placed either inside or outside quotes as context dictates.
This is, believe it or not, a convention developed by American typesetters due to the fragile nature of period and comma dies back in the day.
I think the dot should go after the final quotation mark, since the quotation started in the middle of the sentence and not at the beginning of it. It should like this:
“The word that you’re looking for is ‘definitely’.”
Don’t be a Grammar Jew unless you’re ready for the Grammar Intifada Fighter.
Putting that period before the ending quote just sucks. It seems so stupid to me. Why not use the sense-making way of first “closing” the quotes and then the sentence. Think about it; You are trying to close something but there are still some things open inside of it and how the heck do you want to close the things inside now? Actually, if I were to strictly parse your syntax I would interpret it as the following:
1)Start a sentence (capital letter)
2)Start a quote (first “)
3)Consider all following characters (including the period) part of the quote until another ” is reached
4)Error: Unexpected end of string, missing end of sentence
Agreed, yet you have failed yourself, manowar. You see, no one actually knows what Pangea looked like, nor was it ever photographed. You should’ve said there is supposed to be an illustration of Pangea, not a picture.
When did the definition of “picture” become limited to “photograph”? (Note the question mark outside the quotation mark.) (Note the periods inside the parentheses.) Wow, I am getting very behind in language changes!
I’m glad someone else caught that. The fail isn’t the sign itself, which, as it happens, is a win, but the fact that the picture of a sign should be a picture of Pangea.
Dear failblog,
Stop freakin’ posting “fails” that are obvious wins, simply because the moron who took the picture doesn’t have the mental capacity to understand sarcasm, irony, or humor of any kind.
Sincerly,
Me
ok. i’m curious where you guys saw this. because i took this picture. it’s actually a sign posted at a place called The Wilds, near Zanesville, Ohio. i have no idea what that mess is mentioned below it, but whoever stole my picture i’m assuming did that for whatever reason. regardless, i’m livid that my picture was stolen, and even MORE upset that it’s on more websites? *grr* please let me know where all you’ve seen it.
thanks
Oh, most definitely a WIN!!!!! Anyone stupid enough to get into a wild animal’s enclosure deserves Darwin’s wrath and would make a nice snack for whatever is inside!
Wow, I was stunned by the discussion above . It’s the first time I open the comments and I was expecting only idiotic stuff , but before that there was a civilized (no idea if that’s the spelling ) discussion .
Before what?
Before that :
#Wut says:
August 21, 2010 at 2:48 am
All these ‘win’ comments are final proof that most people pay the bare minimum of attention to posts…
The sign itself is a win, yes. There is a fail here and that fail is double-edged. First, the header and caption refer to the supercontinent of Pangaea while the picture shows something completely unrelated. Second, the poster called this a “sign fail” instead of something more appropriate, like “correct photo insertion fail.”
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first comment! animals can eat this comment and get sick!
sign WIN
i agree that is a sign WIN!!!
defignitly a win
the word that you’re looking for is “definitely”
The punctuation you’re supposed to end that with is a period. It looks like the small dot-like thing in the brackets [.] and would have a proper placement of between the final y in “definitely” and the final quotation mark that immediately follows it. Your post would look like this:
The word that you’re looking for is “definitely.”
You also forgot to capitalize the T in “the,” however, the fact that you used the correct word when typing “you’re” was enough to let it slide.
Don’t be a Grammar Nazi unless you’re ready for The Grammar Jew.
Mmmm. We recently had a grammar smackdown over at Ugliest Tattoos. It was a lot of fun.
WHO CARES ABOUT SPELLING AND GRAMMAR? IT’S A FREAKIN’ BLOG!!!!
“WHO CARES ABOUT SPELLING AND GRAMMAR?”
You must be American.
o – im’ sorree “crackpot”, we did’nt relies dis were too bee published-ed as literature “.”…”
“i can haz cheeseburger”
…and new here.
successful troll is successful
you must be a moron
He wasn’t being a grammar Nazi, he was being a spelling Nazi. That throws out your whole reason for pestering him.
Also, his post, if written correctly, probably should have looked like this;
The word that you’re looking for is “definitely”.
Sentence ending punctuation can be inside quotes, when a sentence inside the quote ends with the correct punctuation for the parent sentence. Otherwise, the punctuation should be outside the quotes, as in the case where only a word was quoted, not a sentence or even an idea that would require punctuation of it’s own.
A few examples follow:
Did he say, “You’re a moron.”?
Yes, he said, “You’re a moron.”
What was it that he said? Oh yes, “blue”.
“Of it’s own?” You mean “of its own”.
You are correct. I just looked it up and my usage of “it’s” was wrong, it should have been “its”.
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yez u doe sir thaanjk uu fuer makng a pont to saks. XD
U sher, do; butt you’r punctuation is, terrible; Look at, mine 2 c : how it”s done?
Actually, it’s can show possession as well. MLA recommends it’s for possession but another recommends its.
THE MORE YOU KNOW MOTHER !@#$ER =====☆
Thanks, I’ve been looking for this rule for ages! I’m never sure when to put the period within the quotes or outside of them!
You’re dumb. The punctuation is NEVER outside of the quotation marks. It is always in them if they’re at the end of a sentence. Take a college writing course or something, dang. You’re dumb.
Wrong. http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp
If you are asking a question regarding a quote, you would not put the question mark inside the quote.
Damn, Aly. You posted your opinion with a link to back you up that totally proved you wrong.
“Rule 1. Periods and commas always go inside quotation marks, even inside single quotes. ”
Epic comment FAIL.
it clearly says question marks can go on the outside.
Epic retard trying to point out fail fail.
Not that those rules are wrong, but Jane Straus is a nobody who can suck my balls. Credibility fail.
Personally, I punctuate outside the quotation marks, even if there is a punctuation mark inside the quotation as well.
Did he ask, “Did I make a mistake?”?
Because it makes sense. A quote is a distinct structure that may or may not be a sentence, but it has no business warping the containing structure, imo.
Also, I find that periods are often omittable, especially for the only sentence on a line. Because that makes sense to me too. A declarative sentence is the default sentence. You only need explicit punctuation if you are using it to change the meaning of the sentence. Otherwise it’s really just acting as spacing.
I generally omit anything that doesn’t help express the point I’m trying to express
vicariance, i think that you have written the smartest comment on this page, and i go by that rule too.
LOL. This is too funny. I have to agree that the punctuation should indeed be outside of the question marks. It ends the sentence, it doesn’t end the quote, for it was no sentence. Seems to me that the Grammar Jew needs a few lessons himself.
But hey, what do I know? I’m Dutch.
The sign is a definite WIN, though (back to topic).
But when you already have more than one question mark in your sentence (as indicated by your use of the plural form in “the question marks”), wouldn’t it be overkill to add a dot on top of it?
Did he type “Are you a wanker?”? No, he did not.
I am so glad this is all sorted out.
word.
What is a “grammar Jew?”
Someone persecuted by a grammar nazi.
British and American English differ on this subject.
The British English version makes more sense: punctuation in the quote stays inside the end quote, while punctuation for the sentence as a whole goes after the end quote.
American English requires all punctuation inside the end quote, which ends up being confusing in many cases.
Interestingly, American editors USED to use the British system. It’s a relatively recent phenomenon that we now use the (inferior) American system.
And FWIW, I agree that this sign is a total win, not fail.
That’s why you go out of your way to reword the setence and avoid the punctuation cluster of confusion at the end. :^D
But to stay on topic, yes, the sign is definitely a win and not a FAIL.
doesn’t this make you a vocabulary nazi?
Wow. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much wrong in one fail of an explanation.
You always put periods within quotes, if it’s the end of the sentence.
For instance:
She said “I love you.”
If it’s the end of the quote sentence, but not the end of the sentence, you would just use a comma.
“I love you,” she said.
Also, you would never put a period, then quotes, then question mark. You should just leave out the period.
Did he say “You’re a moron”?
Yes, he said “You’re a moron.”
What was it that he said? Oh, right, “blue.”
Actually, you’re wrong about period usage within quotes. It’s actually pretty simple; there are only two rules:
1. If American, periods and commas always appear inside quotation marks (when quotation marks are used). All other punctuation marks can be placed either inside or outside quotes as context dictates.
2. If not American, all punctuation marks (including periods and commas) can be placed either inside or outside quotes as context dictates.
This is, believe it or not, a convention developed by American typesetters due to the fragile nature of period and comma dies back in the day.
I think the dot should go after the final quotation mark, since the quotation started in the middle of the sentence and not at the beginning of it. It should like this:
“The word that you’re looking for is ‘definitely’.”
Don’t be a Grammar Jew unless you’re ready for the Grammar Intifada Fighter.
I have a damn grammar oven and I’m not afraid to use it. Chill out
That was awesome, despite missing a bit of punctuation yourself. Hilarious, tho. Well done.
The quoted item was not a sentence by itself, so the period should go outside of the quotation marks.
^
Win
dude, who really cares about that? i think that this site is almost all about spelling things wrong.
Putting that period before the ending quote just sucks. It seems so stupid to me. Why not use the sense-making way of first “closing” the quotes and then the sentence. Think about it; You are trying to close something but there are still some things open inside of it and how the heck do you want to close the things inside now? Actually, if I were to strictly parse your syntax I would interpret it as the following:
1)Start a sentence (capital letter)
2)Start a quote (first “)
3)Consider all following characters (including the period) part of the quote until another ” is reached
4)Error: Unexpected end of string, missing end of sentence
I guess I tend to think of languages as of XML.
Sorry for my non-native English.
epic win.
Most definitely!
the sign is suppose to be a picture of pangea
so image-fail
sign is win but part of the fail
Agreed, yet you have failed yourself, manowar. You see, no one actually knows what Pangea looked like, nor was it ever photographed. You should’ve said there is supposed to be an illustration of Pangea, not a picture.
When did the definition of “picture” become limited to “photograph”? (Note the question mark outside the quotation mark.) (Note the periods inside the parentheses.) Wow, I am getting very behind in language changes!
Win.
Yes, a sign WIN
Definite Sign Win
yes def a win
I know, I don’t have pity for morons either.
Last
I will never be first
Sure you will. Tomorrow could be the day. The question is, do you have the wit to think of something half clever to write given just a second or two?
Copy/Paste?
no conspiracy here. not much of a fail either. i guess you could say it failed to fail… hmmmmm?
It’s called a win.
it is called a conspiracy!
Hahaha.. that is a totally not a fail.
It’s also completely true.
ummm why is this picture on a document about Pangaea? there might be a double fail here…..
I’m glad someone else caught that. The fail isn’t the sign itself, which, as it happens, is a win, but the fact that the picture of a sign should be a picture of Pangea.
Yeah, that sign isn’t a failure, its awesome!
The fail is that it should probably have been a picture of pangea
I think this is an animal Win, seeing as they won’t get sick by eating some tainted Darwin Award nominee.
How is this one not a win?
Um, WIN?
this is a total win
It’s a win inside a fail.
Dear failblog,
Stop freakin’ posting “fails” that are obvious wins, simply because the moron who took the picture doesn’t have the mental capacity to understand sarcasm, irony, or humor of any kind.
Sincerly,
Me
The fail isn’t the sign. The fail is that it was obviously supposed to be a picture of Pangaea.
THAT SIGN IS A WIN!!!!
Definitely a WIN!
No Fail here; move along please…
agreed for sure w WIN
The fail is that it’s supposed to be a picture of a gigantic landmass, not a awesome sign.
why fail ? WIN
WIN. doh.
Anyone els already see this on roblox, or is it just me?
I saw it on the starter place. Only, there are no animals there. So…
ok. i’m curious where you guys saw this. because i took this picture. it’s actually a sign posted at a place called The Wilds, near Zanesville, Ohio. i have no idea what that mess is mentioned below it, but whoever stole my picture i’m assuming did that for whatever reason. regardless, i’m livid that my picture was stolen, and even MORE upset that it’s on more websites? *grr* please let me know where all you’ve seen it.
thanks
Win. And wouldnt it make more sense for this to be on oddly specific?
Oh, most definitely a WIN!!!!! Anyone stupid enough to get into a wild animal’s enclosure deserves Darwin’s wrath and would make a nice snack for whatever is inside!
failblog fail, sign win!
What? Fail! That’s a sign WIN!
this has win written all over it
I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet, this sign is a win.
What an original post. Thank you for enlightening my day. =)
Failbook Fail
The relevance of Failbook here is lost on me
i don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet, but this is a repost.
I said Failbook. Fnerp fail.
This is a WIN!
what?! THIS IS A WIN!!!
Win win win!!!!
This is totally a WIN.
hey im new here
that sign is funny
Fix this gross mistake plz. This is an all-time WIN.
Definitely a WIN
OK, I don’t understand what this sign has to do with Pangaea?
That’s the fail.
Who cares if one more stupid idiot gets eaten and stops producing? But precious animals can’t afford to be sick! Go sign!
WIN absolutly WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how can anyone upload it as a fail?! O_o
that’s a win!
O.O Retaba?
I saw this on google images. I wish that I could call fail blog an original source.
It’s a total WIN!
i vote win
Definitely a WIN!
All these ‘win’ comments are final proof that most people pay the bare minimum of attention to posts…
indeed.
WIN
Wow, I was stunned by the discussion above . It’s the first time I open the comments and I was expecting only idiotic stuff , but before that there was a civilized (no idea if that’s the spelling
) discussion .
:
Before what?
Before that
#Wut says:
August 21, 2010 at 2:48 am
All these ‘win’ comments are final proof that most people pay the bare minimum of attention to posts…
#it’s me moi says:
August 21, 2010 at 2:50 am
WIN
i am with Wut…
Sign WIN
Image FAIL
Failblog WIN because so many miss the FAIL
I’m sure one of these WIN people is actually a spy.
♪ …in the house of love?
How is this a fail? It’s a WIN!
i’s say it’a a win…
“Failed to fail”, double negative means this is a ‘Win’.
failure to fail is not a fail. It could be a tie.
do animals play with there food before they eat it?
♪ You and me baby ain’t nothin’ but mammals… ♫
win
This must have been uploaded by the same complete idiot who uploaded the “sign spelling fail”.
This sign is a fu(king WIN!
Who’s the idiot? You missed the point, and about a dozen comments that mentioned what the actual fail is.
Definitely a win, IMO.
Win!
Oh well, someone’s got their priorities figured out…
Priorities are just a list of what gets attention, and what misses out.
Picture Fail / Sign Win.
This should be a win haha
Sign is a WIN!
The worst sense of black humour I have ever seen on a sign.
Sign WIN. Submitter FAIL.
Win.
It’s a win inside a fail, that’s obviously not a picture of a supercontinent, but the sign is a win.
Majority wins, lol!
I think this sign is a win if you ask me.
I’ve seen this! This is at The Wilds near Cambridge, Ohio. I was there a couple weekends ago and took a picture of this sign. Awesome!
Sign WIN! Animals is in first place in this zoo!
I should get that sign for my doghouse, he eat you aalive if he has the chance
I think this is a WIN!!!
what where they thinkin man?
That sign is a total win.
Stupid people are a disease, and any outlet that promotes such a message, deserves to be praised.
You seem to be showing some symptoms there buddy…
Not a fail, but an epic WIN!
epic win…
Personally, I think it’s a WIN. But that’s just me.
The poster of this is a friggin moron. Just like the first few posts I saw, this is totally a win. Idiot.
I don’t understand what this sign has to do with Pangaea…..
I can’t believe people are still not seeing the fail of the title and description not matching the actual picture.
The sign itself is clearly a win. The Title and captions are a fail.
The actual title of the failblog post is also a fail however, since it suggests the sign itself is a fail.
Tbh… Even with the fail of caption and title… Its still a win.
Sign WIN.
If you get eaten, no big loss. One less idiot to worry about. But some of those animals are endangered.
very very obvious fake…
WIN
That’s no fail, it’s a WIN!
WIN
This is clearly a win…if its deliberate its a win…
WIN!
THAT is NOT a fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It a WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!
The sign itself is a win, yes. There is a fail here and that fail is double-edged. First, the header and caption refer to the supercontinent of Pangaea while the picture shows something completely unrelated. Second, the poster called this a “sign fail” instead of something more appropriate, like “correct photo insertion fail.”
Yup, I’m thinking Sign WIN!
*Pangea
i sense peta…
WIN
Marius? There can be only one.
very entertaining but probably some fakes
Get a FREE PS3
WIN!!!! =D
That sign is a WIN!
This is totally a WIN!!!
How dare you put fail.
they misspelt win again
I don’t see a fail here.
it’s an awesome WIN!!!
WIN!
I started counting the people screaming “Win!” w/o noticing the… rather obvious… fail.
I got bored, and decided to kill seconds of my time to state this:
Picture: Fail
Sign: Win
Majority of Posters: Fail
… and just for closure, “Fail.”
This is stupid! I put up that pic as a fail months ago and this picture got WAY more attention that mine did!
FailBlog FAIL!!!
Its a WIN!
God forbid the animals get sick after eating our intestines.
I have a feeling these animals are zombies.
Awesome…. >:)
Win.
…how is this a fail? xD
This sign is at a great park called The Wilds in Ohio the cage protects us from the wild dogs and Cheetahs.
Super WIN !
That’s an epic WIN!
Agreed EPIC WIN!!
Deiffinetly!EPIC FREAKIN WIN!!
I’m sorry, this is pure unadulterated Epic Win.
SIGN WIN
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