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shot gun marriage coming up
I thought you don’t get into bed before the marriage.
Nope — before marriage you have to “do it” in the back seat of the car — or maybe on the couch …
i think you are a !@%^!&^
Can you stop doing that? Please?
Hah! One troll banned, but still my comment makes sense.
If you are going to straight up copy, at least cite your source you plagarizing idiot….
Try staying on topic when you post, just saying your an idiot for bringing up micheal jackson.
Owning a gun….not a fail.
Keeping a loaded gun out in the open…. future fail.
I see no fail here.
Wow I knew the libertards at failblog were left wing nuts but this was the last straw.
It is not funny at all. Might get one myself
Yeah.
It’s the first step to a Darwin award.
Explain how or admit you have no clue about guns.
Anyone stupid enough to keep a gun so close to a sleeping person sure as hell ain’t gonna to understand the implications.
It’s people doin crazy stuff like this that hand the disarmers ammunition on a plate.
Sheesh!
We’ll be sure to let the Marines know that sleep so close to their weapons in the sand how you feel.
As a former Marine, I’m gonna go ahead and tell you a little secret…we’re trained to handle said weapon in said situation, the average civilian is not. Now before you go and call me a ‘lib-tard’ an ‘O-bot’ or what have you, let me tell you that I see complete idiots on both sides, but the larger idiot-per-capita is conservative. Then there’s the A-political psychos like Westborough Baptist out where I live.
Coxinator, it seems to me that incompetent, untrained thugs, drug-addicts, and losers on the inner-city streets and of America and around the world are handling weapons in any situation better than any honest person would like. Illiterate farmers and peasants from the forests of Vietnam, the mountains of Afghanistan, and 18th-century backwoods America have famously given some of the best-trained and most powerful military organizations on Earth a very difficult time with very little, if any, formal weapons training.
Even I, as one of your larger-idiot-per-capita-conservatives was able to figure out pretty quickly how to operate, load, unload, fire, field-strip, and clean every military firearm I’ve touched without first consulting the manual, and, from the dozens of firearms I’ve owned and tens of thousands of rounds I’ve fired, I’ve never experienced a single negligent discharge.
I will hope that you, as a highly-trained Marine, would have better aim and better skill at handling your weapon under the stresses and chaos of combat than any of our enemies. But, it’s been my own experience that most ordinary people are much smarter and more competent than elitists give them credit for, and I’ve got very little concern about normal, every-day people of any nationality or political persuasion being able to handle their weapons with little-to-no trouble.
Exactly JK. People just do not seem to understand that to give up the right and freedom to bear arms soon, freedom of speech and other “freedoms” fall soon thereafter. This product is not a fail in any way except for people who are too stupid to own weapons anyway. Those, would be the liberal retards who think that the police will protect them from criminals. They refuse to understand that the police almost ALWAYS show up AFTER the crime has been committed.
The first step to extinction is refusing to know how and prepared to defend ones self. The first step to rule by Czars is to remove the ability to defend yourself and to speak out.
We know which side of the coin liberals are on.
Responsibility for ones actions! If you do something and a crime is committed from that act then pay the price. If you have little kids and they are in your house and you have one of these and they use the weapon. You should be tried for criminal negligence as well. Unless the kid is at the age where they KNOW not to shoot someone and what happens if you do, which is around the ages of 9 or 10 depending on maturity level.
So… you actually LIKE the freedom of speech? I’m just asking, because your liberal-bashing doesn’t seem to be in the spirit of freedom of speech.
His meaning of “freedom”is “freedom to be exactly like me, or else”. This is the only meaning of freedom conservatives can understand, because they are convinced that non-conformity is threatening.
They’re cowards. Anything they don’t understand they either ridicule or get angry over.
…and you’re doing the exact same thing. Sad.
Ba-ZING!!!!
Yeh in the UK we don’t bear arms and look at us, we’re falling apart…
…oh wait… no we’re not.
you’re the reason we have the second amendment! (well, your and my ancestors!) seriously, why do lefties hate guns?
Depends on your definition of falling apart. I suppose if you ignore the tax rate, the cameras on every corner, the jail term that awaits you for defending yourself, the knife murder rate, the multi-hundred dollar fines for a “too full bin” (garbage can for you Yanks), the welfare rates, the unemployment rates, the bastard birth rate, the illiteracy rate, the anemic GDP, oh, and the non-sovereign status of the UK, you are right! Not falling apart!
And yet the United Kingdom, Australia, and Canada have all seen massive rises in gun violence since you have outlawed guns. Your statistics not the NRA’s Get a grip. Outlawing guns puts guns in the hands of outlaws. There are millions yes millions of guns here in America yet we only have a RELATIVELY few amount of shooting deaths and those that do shoot each other on a regular basis (see the ghetto) deserve to kill each other off. Good riddance!
Oh really? Cause i was pretty sure that UKs violent crime rate was more then double that of the USA.
United States murder rate: 5.8 per 100,000
England and Wales murder rate: 2.03 per 100,000
great moment in australian history when the howard government outlawed guns. we don’t see anywhere near the amount of deaths from firearms as america does.
as for ‘philistine’ thats great you can look up all the problems going on in the UK… how about americas problems? like THEIR massive unemployment rate? or the incredible figure that says a fifth of americans cant locate the us on a map?
i’m not ripping into america. nothing against america. think youre just being very selective with information and ignorant in thinking youre country is without its own problems.
and as for MAGNAVOX, making guns legal doesnt stop ‘outlaws’ from getting a hold of guns, it just means theyre not called outlaws since its legal.
You do realize that “freedom of speech” means you have the right to say whatever you want.
Please let me be clear that I’m not supporting RonE or anything he says (I realize I’m making the assumption that he is a “he”… if he’s a she I’m sorry… please input proper pronoun where needed).
The thing I find funny about people (especially Americans) who go around preaching the constitutionality or the value free speech, is that most of them don’t actually believe in it. What is “free speech”? Is it simply the right to say things which won’t upset the social politically correct boat, or is it the actual freedom to say anything you want and have others who may not agree with what you say support your right to say it. The problem with conservatives is that they believe everybody should think the way they do and if you don’t you’re an idiot. Guess what, the problem with the liberals is the same.
In my mind this product is setting itself up for a terrible fall with tragic consequences. All it takes is a toddler left alone in a room for a second with an easily accessible rifle or shotgun (and for those of you who say it won’t be loaded, why keep it so handy) and suddenly people are wondering “how did I not see this coming”. Well I suppose there are a lot of you Americans and the loss of one or two won’t mean all that much…
I, as a Constitutionalist, strongly believe in Freedom of Speech. It doesn’t matter what’s said, you’re free to say it. However, with your Freedom of Speech, also comes my Freedom to Cover My Ears if you babble.
Please point out where his alleged “liberal-bahsing” prevents or even advocates preventing liberals from having their say. Show where he is preventing anyone from having their say.
You and your ilk on the other hand, not only mock the words of others, but you try to put words in the mouth’s of others and work to get them banned.
BTW, Liberals are the source of the greatest threat to free speech in the U.S. : Political Correctness.
1. Alleged liberal-bashing: He called all liberals “retards”. I guess that should qualify as bashing.
2. Preventing liberals from having their say: I didn’t say that. I said bashing people who disagree with you like that doesn’t seem to be in the spirit of freedom of speech. But if you look closer at his comment, you might see that he talks about “extinction” and a “Czar” coming to rule any society without guns. After that he said “We know which side of the coin liberals are on”. Don’t you think that sounds a little… unfair? And not too discussion-friendly?
3. Show me one comment where I “mock the words of others, but you try to put words in the mouthās of others and work to get them banned”. If you can’t find one, that’s because I didn’t do that. So why do you say I did?
Isn’t it freedom of speech to be able to bash liberals? And you have the freedom to bash conservatives. See how freedom works?
Ladies and Gentlemen…please keep partisan politics out of my internet funnies. Flamers like this included.
Thank you.
Right on Sam!!!
C’mon, y’all — there’z a ton of this crap all over the net — can’tz we all just lol along?
Ay, chingon.
“We know which side of the coin liberals are on”
is it tails?
While by a small margin the heads side of coin is heavier than the tails side increasing the probability of tails landing face up. Unless repeated thousands of times the results are negligible, but still. That’s why I always call tails on coin flips.
I don’t know about the USA, but here in Brazil, at least 50% of the weapons used by criminals are stolen from private users.
So, banishing the right of a citizen to keep weapons at house looks like a good way to reduce in much the firepower of the criminals.
In fact, years ago there was a plebiscite here to decide if the citizens wanted to give up the right of private ownership of weapons, and the “NO” won.
Banishing a right is a poor way to solve a problem. Public safety is the responsibility of government and citizens desist of a right to cover up inefficiency of the state is absurd.
If the society want to reduce the crime rates or the murder rates with fire weapons, it should rise the numbers of overt policing and a larger number requirements for a person able to buy a weapon. Other way is: more strict punishment for those who are caught with the weapons outside your own property.
The USA is the best example of a country that defends civil rights. Let them remove one right of you and others rights will follow. In countries like mine where dictatorships have occurred recently (our president is only the fifth after the dictatorship), we are accustomed to see rights being changed by a “greater cause”. As they say “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”
Now back to this ridiculous advertisement, unless the offender is within your room, over your bed (the chance of this happening is almost zero), you should leave your weapon in a traditional wall support. Makes a lot more sense than risking yourself, or a family member to a potentially fatal accident with this ridiculous bed support. This surely is a EPIC FAIL!
You, sir, win 100 shiny gold internets! However, you forgot to mention the part where this contraption has no locking mechanism and is easily within the reach of children. Truly this is one of the most insanely retarded products to date!
Yeah i agree with you a 100% in fact….tecnictly(yeah i know i spelt it wrong) if you think about it guns laws are unconstitutional.
You yanks crack me up. It’s like the US is the ONLY place in the whole wide world that has violence (yeah..there’s other countries in the world..you should come visit sometime). Violence breeds violence and using a 300 year old post civil war agreement as justification is hilarious- it’s like these ‘crazy’ laws that may have made sense at the time of being created (It is illegal for one to shoot a buffalo from the second story of a hotel in Texas you know…seriously. Check it out).
Point is guns are illegal here – we have children, we have violence, we have robbers, thieves, rapists yet we don’t feel the need to hide behind a weapon. You talk about freedom but how many of you are restricted by your need for a gun??
So you Aussies are so bad you can defeat robbers, thieves, rapists, with your bare hands? Kick ass. You guys must know Aussie-Fu.
Anyways, it’s not suprising that you’re so anti gun, you’re from an anti-gun country. You guys are so conditioned to be anti gun it’s expected.
Anyways, itās not suprising that youāre so pro gun, youāre from an pro-gun country. You guys are so conditioned to be pro gun itās expected.
ahah well said bhazor.
“Point is guns are illegal here ā we have children, we have violence, we have robbers, thieves, rapists yet we donāt feel the need to hide behind a weapon…. You talk about freedom but how many of you are restricted by your need for a gun??” – Scotslass
The folks in my neighborhood are armed to the teeth, but don’t feel the need to hide FROM a weapon or each other.
In fact, it’s actually extremely peaceful in my part of the U.S., and that’s just the way I like it. Why should I want to ban guns here?
Maybe it’s a bit wilder in the inner cities of the U.S. – I don’t know, I’ve never been there. But even so, those are areas where gun laws are strict. In any case, I know that I’m certainly not afraid to travel or do business or make friends or enjoy myself day-to-day in this part of the country.
Pick-up trucks with gun racks full of rifles are a normal sight here, and nobody thinks twice about it. A day at the shooting range is fun social outing with friends and family. Some of my co-workers have concealed-carry permits and wear loaded guns to work, and I’m not scared – I feel better knowing there’s someone there who can shoot back in the unlikely event that there’s ever a problem.
The only people I know who’ve ever shot at anyone have done so in wars; the only person I know of who has been shot at on U.S. soil was shot at while trying to break into someone’s house.
Some of you from outside the U.S. crack me up – you watch a few westerns and gangster movies and conclude that it’s nonstop bloodbath in the U.S. with people cowering indoors while bullets rain from the skies, and forget that what you see in movies is fantasy.
Though guns in my community outnumber cars, I think almost everyone in my community would agree that a drunk or careless person is more likely to injure us with a car than with a gun, whether they like guns or not. I don’t know any ordinary people who’ve been involved in shootings, but I know lots of people who’ve been in car accidents.
In my neighborhood, the ranks of people who are afraid of ordinary gun owners consist mostly of gun owners, government officials, and those who want to control what people think, say, and do, sort of like the guy elsewhere in this discussion who thinks it is unfortunate that he can’t prohibit thoughts he doesn’t like and disarm peaceful, law-abiding people. God bless Kentucky – I like living in a place where ordinary people are not afraid, but criminals and government are!
And yet the statistics for violent crimes and burglary in Kentucky would be considered shockingly high in alot of other countries.
You compare your state to other states but that isn’t realy a valid comparison since most of your states have so few if any laws preventing an ordinary sitizen to buy/own guns so differances in statistic between states depends not on gun regualtion but on other social factors.
“Some of you from outside the U.S. crack me up ā you watch a few westerns and gangster movies and conclude that itās nonstop bloodbath in the U.S. with people cowering indoors while bullets rain from the skies, and forget that what you see in movies is fantasy.”
Yes i am quite aware that it’s not that bad and doubt that many people actually belive that it’s like that(you never know though, after all there are some seriously stupid people in this world
) but fact is that your murder and violent crime rates are very high compared to most other countries with similar social wealth and development.
Guns most likely don’t effect crime rate either way by much but just changes the type of crime. For example what would be a murder by stabbing in a country with few guns would more likely be a shooting if guns are easily available.
Crime rates depend more on social situations(poverty etc.) and clearance rates probably factor in too.
Take a country like Japan, about 90% of all crimes reported are cleared and the conviction rate is higher than 90% too. So a criminal in Japan has very little chance to get away with burglary, robbery or murder. But in USA the clearance rates of murders was 62%. Burglary(by forced entry) 12.2 and robbery less then 30%(highest was robbery by strongarm 29,9% and lowest was robbery by firearms19,9%). Aggrevated assault varied from 63,2%(fists , feets) etc.)-38,6%(firearms) All the US statistics comes from the U.S. Department of Justice and are from the year 2005.
So in conclusion i’m not so sure if guns realy effect crime rates but i’m sertain it causes worse crimes(hard to do a massacre with a knife or by beating people to death) and it is obviously harder to defend yourself against guns than a knife or a fist etc(and more guns in society equals more guns in the hands of criminals). And looking at clearance rates it seems crimes commited with firearms have alot lower clearance rate, i don’t know why that is but it’s such a big difference in the clearance rates(on all types of crimes where there are statistics of guns involved or not) that it can not be coincidence.
So what was the advantage of all your guns again? None that i can see. Is there cases where people have been saved by guns? yes there is but does this outweigh the risk of criminals getting guns easier or the risk of accidents involving firearms? i seriously doubt it.
pecter says:
December 15, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Oh really? Cause i was pretty sure that UKs violent crime rate was more then double that of the USA.
ummm no it’s not. The violent crime rate for 2008/9 in England and Wales is around 6500 (I’m not including Scotland in here as statistics don’t separate firearm from other weapon-related crime) whereas the US it’s over 10000. Yes, in comparason to population it is still relatively low. However, the number of firearm related deaths due to accident, despite declining is still comparatively high. Where girls at school would previously settle an argument with a bit of a catfight at worst, they’re now shooting each other. People being shot because there was a fight over the remote control…Scotland has one of if not THE highest knife crime rate in Europe yet we’re not all carrying knives or hiding them at the side of our bed. I don’t lock my door when I’m at home and I don’t cross the road if I see a group of ‘undesirables’. Not all of us opposing guns are liberals either. I just find it a little sad that people feel the need to protect their family with guns. Scaremongering and propaganda seem to filter through and make people feel genuinely scared where there really is no need.
Weapons are totally unrelated to freedom of speech, and if there weren’t weapons, there wouldn’t be violent crime, would there? Self defense is not the same as blowing someone’s head off.
So Big Willis and his magic wand can make all weapons disappear? Will the “bad-guys” give up their guns just because they are banned? I’m not willing to take that chance. Anyone that comes into my house with the intent to harm my family or myself will end up sent straight to Satan’s loving embrace. Self defense is a basic human right. Most countries ban rape and yet there is still rape. Maybe if we eliminate the “tool” of rape, we can reduce the rate of sexual assault to zero. We will die out as a species, but we will stop rape. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
Big Willis,
The history of murder based on several religions started with a rock. Whether you are Christian and read from the bible or Muslim and read from the Quran(sp). What about stranglings? People never strangle people to kill. The world was intended for survival of the fittest. And let us remember the truth, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. A gun is just the means to do it. Just as a knife, a rock, a baseball bat, or any other item the killer seems fit to use.
I agree. I’ve been a police officer for over 15 years. We can’t always be there to protect you even though we wish we could. People have to take a part in protecting themselves.
THIS! Looks like I’ll find another site to kill time on.
I’m gonna have to agree with DTB. I live in Texas and to be honest although I see where the fail is possible, it isn’t all that funny to me, buts its probably ’cause me and my shotguns are closer n’ two catfish in a skillet.
I’ll say this – you southern yanks have some of the best sayings
That’s cuz they eat possum and collard greens.
Collard greens, yes, possum, no. And we aren’t yanks either. That’s what y’all northerners are… This is most definitely a win!
The yanks were the north. . .hehe
He is probably English, Canadian, or Australian. They call all Americans Yanks.
US murder rate is is 4.5 times the Aus rate – keep on blammin’, SEPPOs.
indeed we do
It’s not guns that kill people, people kill people.
- People with guns kill people. Ever heard of somone getting hurt in a drive by knife throwing?
Outlaw guns and only outlaws have guns.
- Fine by me, If you have a gun you’re an outlaw.
It is our right to defend ourselves.
- Please don’t shoot me until I get my gun and shoot you first.
In the states 30,000 people die every year from gunshot wounds (Gunshot means being shot with a gun) that’s more than 10 times 9/11… Every year.
You’re right. About 30,000 people die each year due to gunshot wounds. On the reverse side, about 2.5 million are saved by the lawful use of firearms ever year frequently without even having to fire the firearm. Your argument is we should let those 2.5 million die in order to possibly keep 30,000 from dying? Pretty bad math in my opinion.
Criminals are criminals. They’ll get and use weapons and firearms in any way possible in order to continue to make people victims so they can get what they want. While the police are nice, they most often show up to clean up the crime scene and put the criminal in jail. In the US, the courts have also ruled the police have no obligation to protect anyone, just provide for the general peace. In other words, if you aren’t willing to defend yourself or your family, you’re just hoping you aren’t a victim. Personally, I don’t play the “hope a criminal doesn’t come after me” game. I protect my family.
2.5 million saved? WTF are you talking about?
30,000.
Break the numbers down and understand the context and the 30,000 isn’t so compelling.
Those numbers included shootings due to justified homicide (including police officers acting in self-defense), and suicides.
Justified homicide means that someone was killed to stop him from committing murder or other malicious act of violence against an innocent person.
Suicide – ban a gun and a suicidal person can still kill himself by overdosing on sleeping pills or jumping off a high rise building – you didn’t solve the suicide problem.
“Ever heard of someone getting hurt in a drive by knife throwing?”
So, that means I’m going to go out in my car and shoot people just because I happen to own a car and a gun? How about going after the people who do drive-by shootings instead of taking guns away from people who don’t do that, you paranoid nut!
I agree…epic win if you ask me haha
no kidding, how about home security win
correct…win indeed
Well, if it’s a shotgun marriage…
you must.
before you get married you have to take a shower naked
And after you get married you shower with your clothes on?? Geez, glad I’m single, then!
Move out of your Momma’s basement and get a real job.
Why is it that sometimes when I comment, I get a message about waiting for a moderator to approve, but this atrocity is allowed.
Hopefully there really is a moderator and they will remove all of these.
You get moderated when you use certain words.
!mag!ne is one of them. C0cktail is another (because of the first four letters).
T’is being removed as we speak. Erm…I mean, type.
*tips hat to Emily and winks*
This whole thread is a hoot!
Some unsuspecting looky loo was yelled at for plagiarizing “I think you are a !@%^!&^” I wonder who he stole that phrase from?
*Snickers*
“Can’t we all just get along?” – Rodney King 1992
oh look… yet another clickie spammer from a p0rn site.
I have one of these shotgun holders on each side…….they are great !!
Safety third!
Who's safety is on.I don’t know. Third base!
Score!I don’t know!
So whose safety is on?
Exactly.
So whose safety is off?
No, I just told you whose safety is off!
So everyone’s safety is on?
No, everyone owns a glock, there is no external safety.
So if everyone owns a glock and there are no external safties, then whose safety is on?
That’s exactly it!
*goes into an infinite loop*
…
*until discovering the fact, that, logic and guns need not both be present at the same time*
I’d give it a shot.
I’m ordering 10 right now. It’s a great deal.
what shape is your bed?!Heart shaped.
Hexagonal
They are actually for the kids’ room — 5 sets of bunk beds — just have to hope they don’t pis* each other off and shoot the place up….
I’d hate to see your place after a fly got in.
No, she swallows those. I don’t know why.
Perhaps she’ll die.
Judy! You said the “d” word!
*faints*
We can say the “d” word…! Just so long as we don’t ask the OTHER “d” word right before it. :p
*hands out copious “I missed you guys” squeezies*
Did you fly?
*big wing-folding squeeze*
I did! And boy, are my wings tired.
*big dragon-squeeze*
Hic Sunt Dracones!
*Squeeze*
SCOTTY!!
I have a couple of really good pics for you from Vegas (there was a Star Trek themed bar in our hotel!). I’ll put ‘em up you-know-where when I get ‘em off my camera.
Which hotel is that in? Rooster will want to go in April. I may have a hard time getting him to leave it!
*squeeze*
The Vegas Hilton.
You have to put up with a lot of Barry Manilow-themed stuff there (they have a Barry Manilow store…yes, a whole STORE), but it was a good hotel, and it’s right on the monorail for the other casinos.
A Manilow store? I think I can avoid that one!
The Hilton should be easy enough to get to. Rooster will be thrilled. He made me promise that if the bar was open (it apparently recently moved or re-opened or something) that we could go. I’m half surprised he didn’t ask for it in writing!
Very cool! If we ever get out to Vegas, the Star Trek Experience and Quark’s bar are on our list of things to do. It sounds like you 2 had a blast!
Not a fail! A win!
not a gun, a BMW!Check mate!
Mate check — (is she in bed? — Ok good, gun stays in the rack…)
Mike check – (is she with Mike of all people?! – Yep, time to take the gun out of the rack…)
Lol. What are you guys on about
They are “on” about a rack… not yours, but good luck with your dating service.
Did someone hear a clicky?
I saw a pose struck; does that count?
As long as you didn’t go off half c0cked.
Broke My Wallet?
Yeah… that’s not really a fail. For some people in some areas of the world, this is actually a really good idea, so long as there aren’t small kids around.
It’s a fail. It’s a complete and total fail.
i guess you keep a phone by your bed, to call the cops – the people with the guns. yeah, you’re right – a phone’s a better weapon than a shotgun when people break into your house.
Better than a shotgun that’s pointed at your head? Yes, it is.
Are you serious? Turning the shotgun around to point it at an intruder takes way too much time. You point it towards the foot of the bed so that you can grab the stock, swing the gun up and into place, and BLAM!
THEN you call the cops.
couldn’t agree more. funny comment about the shotgun being pointed at your head. either they don’t know enough about guns to realize that you’d just flip the thing around to face the foot of the bed, or didn’t think that it was possible to leave it loaded but not racked. non-gun owners are so helplessly funny.
We are…we really are. But not as funny as the people who think that the second amendment was actually designed for the rights of private citizens rather than as a security measure for militia protection.
Yes, because 240 years ago, our fledgling government decided they needed a Bill of Rights to guarantee the rights of the government? Who was going to deny the government their rights?
The Bill of Rights guarantees the rights of the people.
*Sigh*
The second amendment:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
The founding fathers wanted nothing to do with a large professional army controlled by the government with the potential to oppress the people. They did need a way to protect the country from our enemies. How do you form an army to protect your country without the chance of becoming an oppressive regime? Arm the people to the teeth and call them up when you need them.
Must…remember…not…all…americans…are…crazy.
Seriously? People actually believe this 2nd amendment bullshit and are able to read and write on a website? It’s a really old document that can’t really be said to have universal application today. On that vein, I read some really old book that said if women were menstruating they should not stay in the house or the house would be impure. It’s in a really old text so it must be true now.
Here in the UK, guns are illegal. The number of guns available is therefore very very low and the number of gun-related deaths is very very low.
In the USA, you can apparently strap shotguns to your bed to make it even easier to accidentally shoot your own child in the face. My word, America, my word…
Hear hear, Dogg. Hear hear.
I hear a dog barking.
1776, baby!
I love the fact that you like to call names and throw in random, non-related subjects and expect folks to agree with you. But let’s try a different approach here:
It’s old, so should we throw it out. Should we throw out all of the old amendments, or should we let you pick and choose? I personally like the whole Freedom of Speech thing, but it is rather old…
Second amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
militia – a military force composed of ordinary citizens to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service.
IMO, that first part (of the definition of militia) about providing defense would handle Self-Defense, the part about emergency law enforcement would handle rioters and looters (neighborhood defense), and the paramilitary part is how normal citizens would be allowed to defend their country if a different country tried to invade (country defense).
You’re right, none of that could possibly apply to the modern world as we know it. Because none of those scenarios could ever happen again.
I’ve never been in the military, so my training is quite limited and I’d not be nearly as effective as a trained soldier. But, I would still do my part because while I don’t love her flaws, I do love the place where I live, and for the most part, I love the people who live here.
Now it’s your turn. Break it down in your view and show me what I missed. I like learning about other people’s view points (when they are well defended).
BTW, this is the first thing I’ve ever written about the second amendment, and I kind of like how it came out.
TLDR, but I don’t see why the British guy’s argument isnt a “checkmate” for any pro-gun advocates in the US.
Banning guns does lower the supply, and banning guns does reduce gun-related deaths. That should be the only relevant factor to this debate.
No, banning guns lowers the supply for law abiding citizens. This has no effect on criminals. In fact, they might feel emboldened because they know they aren’t in any danger when they commit crimes.
bullcrap.
banning guns does not lower any supply for the mythical “law abiding citizen.” and what do you know about what a criminal “feels” unless you are one.
it’s a funny ad which parodies both sides. nothing more, nothing less.
now get your panties out of your crack before your mother faints.
From a purely logical point of view. . .
Outlawing all guns would have an effect on criminals, it wouldn’t be commercially viable to manufacture a product that people weren’t allowed to own, so there would be a reduction in the production of guns as there would only be specialist suppliers to the military and similar.
Smith and Wesson would have to rely on Mr Kipling for their fortunes then. Guess they can have their cake and eat it. . .
Which would make more sense if Mr Kipling was still owned by the same company. . .
In related news, stabbings in the UK are at an all time high and so is the murder rate. Guess you’ll have to ban all stabbing weapons, eh? Go ahead and ban murder while you’re at it…
Idiot.
^^ hear, hear, BigRuss, hear hear ^^
I’ve heard Murder is Illegal in the states. Carying a knife is also outlawed in the UK.
murders already ‘banned’.
idiot.
Sean,
It’s not a “checkmate” for any pro-gun advocates because you can’t take what works in England and assume it will be the same here. As a counter-point, take Switzerland for example. The country has one of the highest gun counts per capita and their crimes (and deaths) involving guns are extremely low.
I’d say that’s about as relevant as the British guy’s argument. Both are null.
In switzerland, every male is in the army untill the age of 49. They are required by law to have a gun. Slightly different situation. I’ve never met a swiss man who dosen’t keep his guns locked away in a metal gun locker.
This (quite popular) argument would be completely valid, as long as you ignore two very important facts:
1. Guns aren’t single-use weapons. You can reload and repair them (unlike most action movie heroes seem to think). Any guns that ARE in criminal hands now will be quite operational for a very long time.
2. Guns are devilishly simple machines. Making a gun involves a metal tube, a moving pin, and a handle – not exactly rocket-surgery (intentional). Reloading ammunition is also pathetically easy, and you can even make your own gunpowder with very simple ingredients. Even if gun production completely stops worldwide, the technology is here FOR EVER (for better or worse).
Banning guns will, at very best, delay their flow into criminal hands – unless somehow criminals figure out a way to get illegal things across our borders from other countries…
“Iāve never been in the military, so my training is quite limited and Iād not be nearly as effective as a trained soldier.”
Yeah, let me tell you, when the government goes fascist and takes the country by force and declares martial law, it’s going to be the disorganized untrained gun crazies with shotguns that save the day from the world-class trained swat teams.
Please. If a massive enough army ever took a liking to conquering people without thought to global ramifications, you would be swatted like a fly.
I’m pretty sure our old government felt the same way too.
This is a really silly argument, but whatever:
2.5 million military vs a 305 million (-2.5 of course) population
Course, a lot of those 305 are too old/ too young. So what, about 100 million militia?
Keep in mind that the 2.5 million are not all soldiers and in combat would be about as effective as a common citizen.
There are also approximately 200 million privately owned firearms in the us, so it’s not like the militia would be under gunned.
Admittedly this is a really dumb argument since (I hope) the chances of this happening are so infinitesimal. But, in these horribly overly simplified numbers, every person in the military would have to kill over 40 militia vs every 40 militia killing one person in the military just for a stalemate.
Okay, now before I’m seen as a loco-revolutionary (too late?) I’m going to quit this absurdity.
Actually, most of the military are not combat trained. The Armed Forces don’t even possess enough weapons to arm 10% of ‘military personnel.’
Not to mention, civilians have way more ammo.
I can outshoot most so-called snipers. Civilians are always the best trained, because they don’t HAVE to, they choose to.
A military government, like exists in most of the world, is impossible here because we own guns. Even stupid rednecks, by sheer volume, are a greater presence than the Armed Forces.
What’s wrong with being a revolutionary? When the government wrong, it’s dangerous to be right….
“Yeah, let me tell you, when the government goes fascist and takes the country by force and declares martial law, itās going to be the disorganized untrained gun crazies with shotguns that save the day from the world-class trained swat teams. Please. If a massive enough army ever took a liking to conquering people without thought to global ramifications, you would be swatted like a fly.”
If the government goes fascist and declares martial law, its victims will have every motivation to fight, the government’s armies will have little motivation to do so. The government does have the training and equipment to eventually take what little my family has, but if I make it tough enough for them, then there is a chance they will look elsewhere or, better yet, not even try.
We don’t need to be strong enough to defeat them, just at least strong enough to discourage them.
If you seriously think civilians having lots of guns would deterr or somehow be able to beat armed forces in combat you’re sadly mistaken. Even if what Dustin say is true(and i would seriously doubt that civilians are better in combat than trained soldiers) it is not so much the individual skills as it is organization that counts. Even should Dustin be able to out shoot a single soldier armies don’t come one soldier at a time. And while someone might scrape a few people together if he/she is lucky they would still not be able to work as a trained combat unit since they would lack the skills and organization required. The best they could hope for is guerilla warfare.
History has shown us that while a few people would resist most would not, simply thinking it’s not worth the risk. And that would leave small scattered pockets of resistance easily defeated by an organized military force.
Armed civilians are not enough to prevent such a thing to happen if someone somehow should be able to control most of your armed forces for such a thing(considering how your army is structured and the vastness of USA i find it so extreamly unlikely it could be considered impossible).
uh no, because it specifically said “not for use in homes with children”
Freedom is so outdated. Whatever new dictatorship happens to show up is OK, as long as it’s the latest thing! Pretty much all basic principles of mathematics and gemometry were layed down thousands of years ago, but that can be forgotten: that’s old stuff, and old stuff is irrelavent and doesn’t mean anything today. Historical records of pretty much every central government’s military in ever organized turning weapons on unarmed civilians? Best not to think of that.
Last I heard, there in the UK authorities are desperately trying to ban kitchen knives because its citizens are cutting each other to pieces, and the police have more or less turned over citizens’ homes to thieves and rapists, and arrest home owners for attempting to defend themselves from the tyrrany of criminals. You’ve traded a few gun deaths for anarchy, stabbings, robbery, and worse. You may be comfortable with that and that’s fine with me, but I’m not interested in living that way.
Here in the U.S., and apparently everywhere else in the world, police say they are under no obligation to defend you if you are about to be the victim of a crime, only to try to figure out who commited the crime after the fact. There’s only one person I can and should rely on to protect myself an my property, and I deserve to be able to do so armed at least as well as any criminal who completely ignores gun laws (like any of the other laws criminals ignore.)
I own about 40 guns, and none of them have hurt anyone (except possibly some of my relics from the first and second world wars, whose histories are uncertain.) Ownership if large numbers of guns is normal in my area of the U.S., and accidental shootings are extremely rare. The average automobile is involved in more accidental child deaths… the average swimming pool! I know of more people who’ve averted crimes simply by saying “I have a gun!”, than people who’ve been shot (in fact, I know of only three people who’ve been shot, and one of them was up to no good when he was shot by a would-be victim, another was shot in war.)
The device in the video makes more sense, and looks safer, than sticking a gun under the pillow or under the bed. I don’t think it’s a fail at all!
Out of the very few people who have guns, guess who the majority are? Gangsters and criminals. If people are willing to commit violent crimes, what’s one more crime?
Want to read up on what makes a up a militia and revise that?
Nope. Because the people who wrote that Amendment were looking at a militia as a substitute for a government subsidized army. We HAVE a government subsidized army and therefore absolutely no need for a militia as the writers of the amendment defined it.
The gun people just wanted to have their cake and eat it, too, plain and simple.
Clapity clapity.
*Squeeze*
*Runs off to hide guns*
“We HAVE a government subsidized army and therefore absolutely no need for a militia”
Again, just read the definition of militia, it’s not the same as Military
MILITIA ā a military force composed of ordinary citizens to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. (ie regular guys who keep some semblance of order until either it blows over, or the regulated military can come take over)
It doesn’t say that once a normal military is established that the militia can’t exist anymore.
Yes we have a military, and when the government subsidized army is busy fighting two wars, being deployed in North Korea (and all over the rest of the world), and THEN there’s a national emergency/quarantine event, the few that are left are going to be overwhelmed.
That’s the time for a militia.
Trust me, if you lived on my block, and a group of rioters were storming house to house to clean out our food, you’d probably want to shack up with us, where you’d have a chance to survive.
You’re still arguing my point for me…which is that the Amendment as it is being used NOW is NOT the way in which it was intended, since none of these contingencies you mention have actually occurred and the people who own the guns have NOT, in fact, been called up to serve in a militia of any form–they are just private citizens who own guns. The main thing that the Amendment has done for us is to put guns into the hands of the very people you are so terrified of and feel the need to protect yourself against.
Yah. That makes total sense.
Pssst, Oilstain, we have a state militias. They are called State Guard units or State Defense Forces and can not be federalized like the National Guard units.
For those who don’t know, the founding fathers clarified several times that the right to bear arms was for private citizens to defend themselves against the government. Old or not, it still applies. Also, banning guns only gets rid of them from law abiding citizens. And a little Cold War story. Russian sgt. telling trainees how many more soldiers, tanks, planes, etc they had than the US. One soldier says,”if we out number them, why don’t we invade them?” To which the sgt. replied, “they have the right to bear arms for the private citizens. Even if we defeat their military, we could never safely occupy the streets, being shot at from potentially every door and window.” This is why the 2nd amendment still applies. As for the wacko criminals, we have laws for them. Felons do NOT get to own guns. And age does not mean a good idea isn’t relevant, look at most of the 10 commandments, like, thou shall not kill, or steal. lets throw them out. Or we could use some common sense. But NEVER take away my right to defend myself, that is the right of all living creatures, whether with claw, tooth, or whatever. Thank you for your opinions, the 1st amendments guarantee.
Ahh. . . now we have come to the crux of the matter “The right to defend oneself”. I was getting tired of the militia argument. The real question is: When does self defense become a menace to other citizens?
Effective enforcement of existing gun laws would be a nice start to curtailing the menace.
Okay Dragon, which of these does NOT apply in today’s society:
Violent Druggies breaking and entering
Hurricane Katrina (Looters and killers galore)
Rodney King Riots (Looters and killers galore again)
911 riots where people beat up taxi drivers for wearing a turban
Honestly, the only thing I don’t see happening anytime soon is an invasion by a foreign force (exception of terrorists)
All of these other things have happened in the relatively short past, and could happen again pretty much without warning.
Not to mention the breakout of a real virus, not that sissy swine flu crap, but something that evolves into a plague.
Ignorance may be bliss, but just because my neighborhood is quite safe, does not mean that it will stay that way forever.
By the way, the people who I’m worried about most are NOT the people who have guns to defend themselves (we call them allies), but have guns to attack others (criminals) BUT, it’s pretty clear that you feel everyone who owns a weapon is a criminal, so I see your confusion.
Marius, state militias are still subsidized and directed by the government. They can all be deployed to somewhere more strategically important than my little neighborhood, and I’d still be defenseless waiting for the “people who SHOULD have guns” to come protect the people that shouldn’t.
schrodinger’s lolcat: first of all, wicked awesome name!!
Second, I didn’t want to even bring that up here as now I’ll be considered an anarchist or whatever. But, you are completely correct, the founding fathers realized that they just used arms to overthrow an oppressive government. They weren’t blind to the fact that at some point the government that they created may need the same treatment. Those guys really did have the interest of the people in mind.
Marius: “Effective enforcement of existing gun laws would be a nice start to curtailing the menace.” Except one thing: criminals don’t follow the law. Really, I mean despite common thought patterns I’ve seen recently, it’s true: the US has laws AGAINST killing people. It’s not allowed.
Unfortunately the way the police work (and this is precisely why you should be able to defend yourself) is that they react to crime, they don’t prevent it. They can’t prevent crime without being a horribly oppressive force.
Two things:
1. You have many catastrophes in the US – California fires, hurricans, tornados, earth quakes, floods. As far as I know Americans in general can deal with those without shooting each others most of the times.
2. If a society has no right to bear arms, less guns are around. That makes it less likely that criminals have guns. Of course, it’s always possible and yes, your nightmare-ish scenarios about people breaking into your house, raping and killing, could happen, to you or to me. But at least in my country the chances of that happening to me are so small that I don’t waste my time worrying about them. Cancer and fatal car crashes are real dangers for me, not having to fight with criminals. And if I had a gun, I would also have to worry about accidents with that gun; they happen, even to those who are responsible with their guns.
We need an armed militia of ordinary citizens more than ever because of the presence of a modern standing government military force. Ordinary people provide the checks and balances necessary to keep government armies from abusing the tremendous power they would otherwise be allowed to bear against unarmed victims (and historically, such armies always have abused their power, and even the U.S. military has at times exceded its authority and abused its power.)
Ultimately, a government army is little more than an armed gang, with the only differences being one of scale, and, in the case of a constitutional government, the fact that it operates under license from a free people acting as a higher authority. We in the U.S. are fortunate that a large number of people in our military forces willingly restrain themselves by honoring their Constitutional limitations, but a responsible people cannot rely on the good will of soldiers and governments forever. Arms in the hands of a free people act as teeth in the enforcement of the Constitutional permission that their licensed dictatorships and tyrants operate under: without the arms necessary to control one of the most powerful military organizations in the history of the world, the Constitution is indeed little more than an outdated piece of paper, blown away forever in the winds of unrestrained and unresisted slavery.
There are only two conditions under which armed civilian militias become outdated: when those civilians willingly become the helpless defenseless subjects of a dictatorship, and when human nature changes so drastically that there will no longer be any armed gangs, dictatorships, or militaries. I’m not holding my breath on the change in human nature, and I will not submit peacefully to the control of tyrants.
You ignore the fact that most free nations don’t have the right to bear arms like the US has. Doesn’t change the fact that they’re free.
Hi Arthur, basically what I’m saying is that the chance of needing to defend myself or my country is pretty dang slim, and I really hope I never have to.
But I’d rather have a gun and not need it than (however rare it may be) need a gun and not have it.
Did you check out some of the stats on that site? I thought it was pretty interesting stuff. I mean, two million guns used in self defense a year, less than 10% even caused a wound, let alone a fatality.
I wish I could find this statistic:
Incidents of guns used in self defense in the media
vs
Incidents of guns used in crimes or accidents in the media
Clearly, without the media part, it’s a pretty clear picture.
http:// actionamerica.org/guns/gun-web-widget. shtml
I read your post, didn’t check the site. Yeah, interesting. But if the numbers I found were also correct they’re also interesting (posted it somewhere down there VVV, 0,2 percent of crimes and so on…). About the media: I’m certainly not influenced by US media, so I don’t really care for that.
What I think is the root of this problem is the personal perception of being safe (combined with the thoughts about someone invading one’s home and raping one’s wife) vs. the question whether or not it is the right thing for a society to have lots of guns. The typical nightmare scenario often stated on this blog is of course one that makes me want a gun, too, if I ever was in such a situation. But still the fact is undeniable: The US has lots of guns and many die from shots.
Yeah, I was wondering about that and how it relates to the “less than 8% of self defense with a gun involve wounding an attacker” statistic.
Are those 64000 incidences including brandishing or simply yelling “I have a gun” or are they shots taken, or shots taken and hit?
I don’t know I couldn’t follow the link in the wikipedia page.
Media anywhere is a business. Sex and violence sells.
I can’t talk to a society level because I’m not in charge in that capacity, I can only tell you my thoughts for my situation and the safety of the people I am in charge of. But the feeling of safety is just that. You feel less safe with a weapon on the premises, I feel more safe. Which one is right? Both of course, because our feelings are our feelings.
Now, an awful pitfall that many people get stuck in is that they buy a weapon and don’t practice with it until it’s ingrained muscle memory. But, they still feel safe. At that point they own a piece of equipment that could be used to defend themselves, but with the feeling of being safe, do themselves a great injustice.
That’s not going to be useful in any way shape or form.
Owning a weapon is a responsibility, actually it’s quite a few responsibilities. Going to a few classes designed for your type of weapon (rifle, shotgun, or pistol) to teach you how to function in your environment (in a little bungalow of a house, a huge house, outside in the yard, in thick trees…) THAT is key to BEING safe, not feeling safe.
If you have no idea how to use a $3000 contractor grade table saw, you might FEEL that you can build some new kitchen cabinets (because undoubtedly the equipment is suited for it). But if you have no knowledge how, bad things can happen anywhere from ruining some nice wood, to losing a few fingers.
Most people take that last example as common sense, but don’t think about the weapon being a tool that needs to be mastered.
Arthur, I’d also like to thank you personally for continuing a nice and thought out conversation with no personal attacks. It’s good to see people take the high road
I thanked you for the same thing somewhere.
I would argue that in a free society everyone is in charge of questions about how said society should function. Of course, if you would change your mind on gun control it wouldn’t have a measureable effect on your society, but I’d say it’s still your duty to think about the whole thing (no matter what your conclusion is), as it is every free person’s duty.
My personal view about guns in my home wasn’t what I pointed out the most in my comments. If I was living in the US, I just would choose to NOT have a gun and that’s that. But I would still say that I think in general as few guns as possible should be available in my society – not because I’m scared of them, but because my conclusion is that societies with strict gun laws are safer.
And I would say that it would be a step ahead for many people in many discussions if the difference between personal perception and general profit was seen. If people who oppose my point of view (not you!) could still accept that there’s also reason in what I say, even if they don’t agree; then all this “OMG YOUR RETARD !!!11!!!” wouldn’t happen.
*sigh*
Just popping in to clear something up (not to get in the way of your discussion).
I never, EVER said that everyone who owns a weapon is a criminal, and the fact that you read that into my words shows that you did not read them very carefully. You seem to have missed my posts where I state that I understand that owning a weapon is a right, and that I don’t judge people who do so. So I would appreciate it if you, oilstain, would refrain from putting words into my mouth that I never even came close to saying.
I DID say that the same law that allows you to sleep with a gun racked to your bed also allows the people you are so afraid of to arm themselves–thereby making that law one of the problems of crime in our country and a pretty piss-poor solution to it. By saying that, I in no way stated or implied that everyone who owns a gun is a criminal, and it was rather disingenuous of you to claim that I did.
Secondly, I never said that states of emergency don’t happen in the US…I said that militias as you have defined them are not formed as a response to them. Oh yes…we saw militias formed because of Hurricane Katrina–we saw white militias formed to attack black citizens trying to get out of the city and other forms of vigilante-ism occur throughout New Orleans. Lovely…if this is your idea of the armed private citizens “protecting” the populace, I’ll choose another option, theng-kew-veddy-much.
Okay…back to your regular scheduled argument.
Okay Dragon, I apologize, you didn’t in fact suggest that all gun owners are criminals, I think I hodge-podged that from a couple of other comments. It’s been a really long thread. Please forgive me on that.
I do understand your view about our gun laws allow weapons to fall into the hands of the bad-guys. I wish I could get all the figures about where the bad guys get their guns, then we might be able to deduce a decent solution. (or at least we could bounce back and forth some ideas)
Really though, guns wouldn’t get stolen if people did what they were supposed to do, but folks are careless and leave them sitting around far too often. If locked in a safe, which is bolted to structural members of a house, it would take explosives, a cutting torch, or a damn bulldozer to steal a gun.
But is that where the majority come from? Or do people in gangs who don’t have criminal records (yet) buy guns for others on a regular basis? Or are they illegally smuggled in like millions of pounds of drugs every year?
Different problems, different possible solutions. But currently I have a mission to keep my family safe in this current day and age. So that’s what I focus on. I KNOW that criminals have guns. I also KNOW that most breakins/ muggings happen to the easiest target. I KNOW that most criminals will turn tail and run when they find out someone is at home. Luckily, with all that I’m probably 99% covered. I just like to hedge my bets to make sure I’m doing all I can for my family’s safety. Oh, and yes I’m this thorough about our cars too (since getting killed in a car accident is a WAY higher percentage).
“we saw white militias formed to attack black citizens trying to get out of the city” that is not a militia, that is a goddamn clan meeting, it’s discussing and against everything our country (should) stand for.
In my opinion that “white militia” should be treated the exact same as any gang of murderers, meaning in a time of civil unrest if they don’t obey commands to leave my property, it’s safe to presume that they are only going to do bad things. And the threat must be stopped quickly and decisively.
Now I guess I should also note that there’s a difference between folks who need help and looters trying to take what I need to survive. First group are friendlies, second group are criminals (as far as I’m concerned, since they would be effecting my families chances of survival)
The only time I’d consider opening fire on someone without first trying to help them (actually I could toss them supplies as long as they promised not to get closer) would be during the absolute worst case (but slightly survivable) Epidemic Plague breakout, because if someone got close enough to touch, they’d probably kill me. Chances of that: .0000000000001 sweeeeet!
Anyway sorry again bud, I am happy that you have your own opinion, and I’m happy to be able to discuss mine and consider yours.
Me too, and back atcha.
*offers friendly handshake*
And I very much appreciate the apology. I knew you were a smart and thinking guy, so I was really taken aback when you pulled out a troll-trick on me. I’m very glad it was just a misunderstanding.
And I just have one more comment about the idea of militias, and that is this: whenever you get a group of people together and then arm them, you give them power. When there is no one to regulate that power, seriously bad shit happens, considering that human nature is what it is. A group that might start out with a function to protect and help has a really good chance of ending up doing the exact opposite. You only need to look at corruption in the police forces to see examples in play.
I believe you are a good guy and a responsible gun owner with good intentions. I do NOT believe that this is true of all–or perhaps even the majority–of gun owners, and this is the heart of the problem. I don’t know what the solution is, myself, but there is absolutely no denying that the problem exists, and the laws in this country allows the continuation of that problem. That, in essence, was my point.
“Or are they illegally smuggled in like millions of pounds of drugs every year?”
No, people buy them at gun shows where they don’t need to provide you with a damn thing, and where backgrounds aren’t checked or receipts kept.
“whenever you get a group of people together and then arm them, you give them power. When there is no one to regulate that power, seriously bad shit happens, considering that human nature is what it is. A group that might start out with a function to protect and help has a really good chance of ending up doing the exact opposite. You only need to look at corruption in the police forces to see examples in play”
I think that’s what the founding fathers were afraid of. But just reversed. They were afraid that the government that they were putting in place with the best of intentions would, despite their best efforts, fall into that trap.
To Eh: Gun dealers at shows are by law held to the same standards as gun shops. If a weapon is a “regulated” weapon like a pistol or a semi-auto rifle (and this is generally a state by state thing, each state has a list) then the criminal background check and waiting period still apply.
If folks at gun shows are breaking those laws, they are uh, breaking the law.
The exception is individual to individual (in states where this is legal). Then at a gun show one can buy or sell without required background checks, but one can do that in those states outside of gunshows too, so I’m not sure what the gunshow has to do with anything.
Didn’t validate this source, but feel free: blog.worldvillage.com/society/conducting_background_checks_at_gun_shows.html
“a 1997 Department of Justice survey of 3,959 inmates found that only 2% stated that they had bought a gun used in a crime from a gun show. The remaining 98% were obtained from other sources, in which the criminal had no direct connection with a gun show. The most common sources (35%) were family or friends!”
“The main thing that the Amendment has done for us is to put guns into the hands of the very people you are so terrified of and feel the need to protect yourself against.” – Dragonwriter
“If a society has no right to bear arms, less guns are around. That makes it less likely that criminals have guns.” – Arthur Eld
Why… because criminals who would have no problem with raping, murdering, dealing drugs, robbing, pillaging, and so on would at least respect gun laws?
Everywhere there are strict gun laws, there are still plenty of criminals who own guns, and all of those criminals are more powerful than their defenseless victims.
“You ignore the fact that most free nations donāt have the right to bear arms like the US has. Doesnāt change the fact that theyāre free.” – Arthur Eld
Maybe there are other nations as free as the United States. Many of those nations have governments that are weaker than the people they govern, and in some of cases their citizens own guns (such as Britain until recently, or Switzerland.)
But when the governments of any of our countries decide to stop allowing their citizens to be free, the citizens of the United States have both the authority and the power to abolish the dictatorships. I don’t think the same thing could be said of most nations, including a lot of the “free” ones.
Actually, DW, SCOTUS disagrees with you. Although I may personally disagree with their decision, it is currently the law of the land on this side of the pond. Gun ownership is the law. Unfortunately, there is no law which prohibits stupid thought by the uber-owners, nor is there a specific law which requires them to always exercise due care when owning a firearm.
“Actually… [the Supreme Court of the United States] disagrees [with the idea that groups of armed groups of people are inherently scary and dangerous and lawless.] Although I may personally disagree with their decision, it is currently the law of the land on this side of the pond. Gun ownership is the law. Unfortunately, there is no law which prohibits stupid thought by the uber-owners, nor is there a specific law which requires them to always exercise due care when owning a firearm.”
“Uber-owners”? What does that even mean? Can you be an uber-owner of cookies, or video games, or Pez candy dispensers? What happens if you just rent the video game… do you become an “uber-renter”? Maybe you borrow a gun from someone on a hunting trip… would you be an “uber-borrower”? Does the “uber-owner” of the gun you borrowed become an “uber-lender”?
Wait – “unfortunately, there is no law that prohibits… thought…”? I love it when someone admits to wanting to pass laws to control thoughts! And people wonder why I insist that the people who want to ban guns are essentially dictatorial.
Maybe it’s a good thing the majority of gun-ban advocates don’t own guns
To be fair, though, that writer finds it unfortunate that “stupid thoughts” can’t be prohibited. Then again, it’s a matter of perspective… I think the term “uber-owner” and the idea of thought-prohibition are stupid thoughts, but, fortunately for that writer, people like me are too “stupid” to be in favor of prohibiting any thoughts we think are stupid.
There’s no law that requires me exercise due care when owning a firearm. Nor is there one that requires you to exercise due care when mowing your lawn, or use power tools, or screw in a lightbulb, or cook your food, or even write messages on a message board like this one – there are no laws which require due care when doing anything else that might result in you doing something stupid or even dangerous, unless you take action that puts someone into direct and immediate danger. Then laws such as those against assault, murder, terroristic threatening, libel, slander, reckless endagerment, and so on come into effect.
From the first two sentences in your statement, it was sounding like you were going to conclude that is would be way easier to shoot yourself than let the intruder do it.
You have never handled a gun, have you?
I have. So what? The fail is supposed to be a parody; why can’t you penis enviers accept humor for just that?
I would rather not have a gun in my apartment. All too often guns are used against their owners in home invasions.
Besides, I live several floors above ground level, with a security guard at the entrance to the building. My apartment is too complicated to get to to be a likely target.
This is a myth, and believe it costs lives.
yeah… who am I going to trust… my shot gun or the 18/67 year old, security guard, who earns minimum wage, to proctect me from an armed robber…hmmm. 2nd, what gives you so much confidence in your security guard, that you trust him that much, whats to stop him from stealing your fine china or whatever you elitist hold dear.
Why should I fear the men hired to secure my apartment building? Most of them are former military of some sort. Should I also fear the cops? How about taking it a step further and fearing any of our military personnel? I lock my door (all the locks) because it’s not inconceivable that someone could slip past the system in place. But everyone on every floor knows their neighbors, anyone out of place draws attention.
Why do you call me an elitist? On what grounds?
Yes, I think now you’re getting it. Put it this way, the guards and the cops help make you feel safe, but relying on someone else is always going to be less effective (corruption, incompetence, having a 15 minute bowel movement during your 10 minute crisis, who knows?) than immediate action taken by a homeowner with a vested interest (your safety) IF those other securities fail.
Elitist? I have no idea where that came from, nor do I think name calling is productive in the least.
Psst…(She was talking to steve)
I was talking to Steve. His statement is intended to incite fear and distrust. I think that abhorrent.
And really…who is more of an elitist? Someone who owns fine china, or someone who is willing to kill another human being in order to continue owning it?
That’s not the only reason to own a gun, Dragon. Lately, I have been debating the pros and cons of getting one myself. Not to protect my stuff – it’s just stuff, and I can replace it. To protect myself and my children. None of us is replaceable. If somebody wants to rob me and be non-violent toward me or my children they’re welcome to anything in my house. If they want to commit violence on my children or myself, they’ve got a fight on their hands.
I know, sweetie…my comment was about Steve’s “elitist ownership” comment and that alone.
I am rabidly anti-gun, especially in households with children, but I know that you have a right to own one and I would not judge you for it.
*squeeze*
Oh, sorry, I meant to confer that I know that the elitist thing wasn’t meant toward me. But in general once names start flying (from whoever to whoever) the discussion in general goes *flush* That’s why I made that comment. If we all take the high road, we can have better discussions.
Personally (and again, this is just me) for a home break in, I’m not leaving my bedroom. My wife and I will take cover behind the bed (but make sure we have made enough noise that the criminal knows we are home (usually making the 911 call under stress should handle that “OMG THERES SOMEONE IN MY HOUSE!!!!!!”))
At no point would I do anything but Defend our Lives. I will definitely feel that our lives are in danger if after making our presence known, the bad guy STILL makes his way to our bedroom. At that point I would defend myself, and 99.9% of the time it will be ruled as self defense, with no repercussions (except the godawful mess/ years of therapy for the wife, ect)
Basically for a break in, I’ll defend our bedroom.
For something more serious like a riot/civil unrest/ natural or man-made disaster, I would defend the whole home as I’ll need access to more than what I have in my bedroom to survive (food and water is kinda important). And honestly at that point a relatively compact rifle with a pretty large magazine would be a better choice since then it’s not one or two guys, but gangs of 10 or so. Also if that happened, I’d have a neighbor or two move their family in with us just to have strength in numbers.
Luckily, as the situations get more and more extreme, they also get more and more unlikely, so I focus on what is the most likely the most, but try to keep in mind that preparing for the worst could be the best thing I’ve ever done for my family.
The most likely situation is that I won’t ever have to defend my life! YAY! So, that’s why I spend lots of time enjoying myself and not stressing too much.
@ Gracie:
Please think long and hard about purchasing a firearm. If you do choose to purchase please attend instruction courses. I have been around guns all of my life. I can not think of a scenario that justifies the risk of discharging a firearm in my home with my family. The odds do not favor a positive outcome. All of my weapons are dismantled and stored in a safe. My recommendation is to buy a female husky. Check breeding records for temperament. They have a strong instinct to protect children and the female will fight to the death (males will give up when pressed to hard).
@ Marius: Thank you for the suggestion. I’ll definitely take the female Husky into consideration. I have already planned to get instruction on firearm use and safety if I do decide to purchase a gun. It may not be necessary for me to do at this time. There’s really not much crime in my area, and the reason I’ve been feeling unsafe right now is probably going to become moot. I’ll know more before the end of the month.
“Please think long and hard about purchasing a firearm….. I can not think of a scenario that justifies the risk of discharging a firearm in my home with my family.” – Marius
And also please beware of electrical wiring and appliances… the risk of accidental electrocution is just too great… and indoor plumbing could result in drowning… heating can result in carbon monoxide poisoning, carpeting or paper could catch fire, anything made of glass could cut you, as could kitchen knives… hammers or other solid objects could break in skulls!
And outside your apartment, the world gets even worse… there are these things called “rocks” and “sticks” that have been used to slaughter millions of innocent people since before the dawn of history!
Your neighbors drive cars that are powered by internal combustion engines that work by generating thousands of gasoline explosions in a typical trip to a grocery store, and generate poisonous gasses and loud ear-damaging noise!
Did I say “grocery store”? It’s full of strangers, some of them extremely strange and perhaps dangerous, and you will never know which ones! The shelves are stocked with sharp objects, foods that you might be allergic to, toxic poisons, heavy boxes, flammable liquids, glass jars, and worse!
On the way back in the door of your apartment, you might pass a disgruntled security guard whose wife left him and who missed one too many days of work lost his job and who has just cracked and brought his legally licensed gun to work and doesn’t care who he points it at.
I’m afraid to tell you this, but the world is a terrifying, dangerous place full of things that might result in your instant death at any moment… I don’t know if it is even possible to remove all of this danger from your life or beef up a government powerful enough to save us from all of it – but we must try! We MUST TRY.
Why call you elitist? Because excessive Fox News viewings have tainted them.
I don’t think people realize exactly how often guns are NOT used for defense in the case of a home invasion, regardless of if you own one or not. There are a majority of reasons why, but I’m not going to bother getting into them because this is Fail Blog! So it would be pointless.
Wow, watching a particular news show makes one an elitist, who knew
I would say that if that were true, FOX News would be the LEAST elitist. But that’s just an opinion. You know, that right we all have.
Ya know… I gotta throw in with the lolcat here.
FOX news seems to be by far the least Liberal-biased major news network out there.
I’m having a terrible time dealing with liberals and not republicans are considered elitist. This is not the politics I grew up with.
What do you mean liberal biased? It’s a constant stream of republican propaganda.
<sarcasm>Pretty much anyone living in an apartment is an elitist. People who live in houses only wish they could afford to live in an apartment.</sarcasm>
*SNORK!!*
I suppose it only makes it worse that it’s in a high-rise doesn’t it?
With security guards! Darned elitist people in the rest of the country who live out in the middle of nowhere at least a half-hour drive from the nearest police stations are too GOOD to have security guards… those guys think they are really something out there with their fancy $70 surplus Mosin-Nagant rifles, lording it over those us who have to settle for our own security force. They need to get with the program – why can’t they just hire an armed security guard to live in their farm house like a sane, rational human being?
*snork!*
Hey, Avis! When did you become an elitist?
My latest pet peeve again – the death of discussion culture…
I find it odd that it is impossible to have a rational discussion about this topic. We managed a perfectly civil debate over on “protest fail”, why can’t it happen here?
‘Cause that was a discussion among people who know and respect eachother. Among others the battlefield for many topics is fixed – if you doubt that owning a gun is a good idea you’re a liberal, socialist, tree-hugging, elitist, pro choice, communist, Obama worshipper and hence the dumbest person on earth.
At least that’s how it goes in the FB comment section. Unfortunately not only here.
Don’t forget that the “liberal, socialist, tree-hugging, elitist, pro choice, communist, Obama worshipper”s sling out as many useless names to the other side too: GunTotinRedneck is usually in the top 5.
Yeah, you’re right. I see stereotypes like the one I paraphrased way more often on FB than the other way ’round. But of course, that also happens.
What if a person such as myself is both?
Then you have to insult yourself. Constantly.
So, is it possible to agree to disagree? Or am I asking for a miracle?
I think it’s possible. Some people, however will pick a fight no matter what.
I believe in mir’cals
where you from
you sexy thing you. …
Iz possible! Fangs for saying it.
Wolfie, sticking his toes in and hoping not to piss folks off
IMO:
Both sides tend to jump to knee-jerk reactions based on possibly the strongest emotion available to our species: FEAR
Pro-gun: OMG u aer trying to take my weppinz!
Anti-gun: OMG being anywhere near weppinz makes u teh dead!
Name calling once started really destroys any hope for an intelligent conversation/ debate.
Indeed. And it’s nice to see that you don’t.
But I think the reason for it is more the generally heated atmosphere in the US. Americans too often seem to be willing to jump on eachothers throats in round one, minute one. I admit, I liked it when Ali did that in the ring, but in social or political debates it’s horrible.
Agreed, but again I really think it goes back to plain ol fear with this particular subject!
Most people have a hard time being rational and setting up a discussion without it getting heated really quick.
Unfortunately most of the forums I know of have the same awful edicate/ lack of technique whether it’s debating xBox vs PS3, best brands of butter, public vs private schooling, ANYTHING! People just lose their minds when they feel challenged. And they are not all US based forums for that matter. ;-(
As far as I’ve experienced it, discussions about Obama, abortions, race and even health care have the same effect. Two or three days ago I tried to have a discussion about Obama and health care. Hopeless.
I think I’m kinda glad I missed that one. That is a subject that gets even more heated than this one has.
This one was well tempered, not heated, IMO. But yeah, the Obama discussion attempt was annoying. Check the Top 10 Fails if you want to see it.
Oo, I will. *squeeze*
@Say g’night, Gracie says:
“I think itās possible. Some people, however will pick a fight no matter what.”
Yup. They’re called trolls. =)
Not always. Sometimes those who you call a troll is actually just a person who believes strongly in an issue. FB is a place for humor, but sometimes serious topics happen.
@saurkraut
People who feel strongly about a subject don’t usually challenge every point made just to hear the sound of their own voices, or try to hammer down the side with the opposite viewpoint to elicit a response.
The people to which you refer one would hope to be rational and somewhat calm in the argument – of the side they so choose to believe in – whatever side that may be.
Calling someone ‘elitist’ or a ‘guntotinredneck’, though doesn’t add to the discussion.
“Convincing yourself doesn’t win an argument.”
- Robert Half
Nothing gets people riled up faster than a challenge to their penis symbols.
I’ve heard of finger drums, but penis cymbals is taking it WAY too far.
*crashes into the Moomin*
*brushes him off*
*SQUEEZES*
And he’s gong again, just like that!
*squeeze*
Careful!! I’ve heard there’s a deadly tocsin that can come from such cymbals!
I think they make a cream for that.
Or you’ll see to it so that theydon’t break into the house in the first place.
Or just don’t shoot the guy in the chest with a 12-gauge if he does. Isn’t that murder? Or is it just considered self-defence and total legal in the USA? Well, I’m glad I don’t live in USA. If anyone breaks in here, they do it when you are on vaccation. That’s why you use safety doors, safety locks, safety window locks (dunno what they are called in the USA), an alarm (the kind that is silent and calls the police) and even a dog, which generally works better than sleeping with a shotgun in your bed… oh sorry, attached to the side of the bed.
As a 911 operator in a semi-rural community law enforcement response times generally vary from 20-40 minutes. Having some means of deterrent, protection against people that are likely younger, in better shape, who likely armed themselves (with little to no conscience) is sadly a necessity.
It is somewhat reasonable to say guns are unsafe when one lives in a city or heavily populated area but in the event of a home invasion in rural communities relying on law enforcement response is naive. Just to note simply racking a round into a shotgun is often all that is needed to scare off an intruder.
But is that a product you would recommend to families in any area? Guns really shouldn’t be all that accessible to ones four year old child.
Definitely not appropriate for homes with children. Frankly, I’d say not teens either since a sneaking teen could end up hurt/dead. But alone in a rural area, no cops for 30 mins, I can’t blame someone for wanting the protection. Besides, the sound of a shotgun being loaded is loud and intimidating.
Can you !mag!ne the possibilities of someone with one of these who takes Ambien? :shudders:
Would rather not. Would hope a person who takes sleep medication wouldn’t keep a loaded gun near…
Seriously. Ambien can make people hallucinate, it’s scary as hell.
You never need Ambien to sleep when you have a shotgun ready. You sleep like a baby.
Lightly and with constant interruptions?
Don’t forget soiling yourself and crying.
*is suddenly ok with the insomnia*
I concur Avis, but if simple precautions are made in regards to small children they can be made reasonably safe. Not loading the shotgun for example. Not putting the shotgun in place until bedtime (after removing it from your gun safe).
Once a child becomes of age teaching them about guns with solemnity and caution comparable to that of how one teaches a teenager to drive is all that is really needed. Seems pretty amazing to me how difficult simple parenting seems to some people. I find it recklessly irresponsible that there are parents that do not teach their children about guns and how they work. Just as bad as not teaching them about sex or drugs.
AdmJamesTAckbar, excellent! I agree. If you choose to have a gun in your home, it’s much better to let your kids know about it, even unload it and let them see it (reinforcing safe handling and the 4 rules of gun safety), that way it alleviates the curiosity and they’re not as likely to go looking for it and trying to gain access to it when you’re NOT there.
Hai! I grew up in rural BC, and now live in rural America, and here as well as there, kids are taught to shoot and be safe at an early age. My friends’ kids get jealous cos I outshoot ‘em on the Wii, but I gotz unfair advantage — smart and careful father many moons ago.
An’ I can’t gripe too loud, though I saw the safety fail header as totally hilarious, regardless of 2nd amendment arguments. Just for itself alone. Whee!
But we sleep with an assortment of sharp pointy things near at hand, not to mention dogs various, so I have to admit I don’t worry about home invasions. Never mind the dog, beware the owner is our philosophy.
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Anywayz, nice t’see such a close to polite discussion — ‘better than I’ve seen anywhere else in a number of years. We are far too polarized here; it suits our corporate masters to keep it that way, prevents we the people from getting anything useful accomplished.
(/rant mode)
My two cents. yr mileage mai vary
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Honestly, the best way to prevent little kids from playing with guns is to educate them about guns. Taking them to a range once, and letting them know how loud they are, how much they kick, and what they can do is actually a very good way to keep them from experimenting. It’s the kids that don’t understand what death and guns mean that do the damage.
I still think the best way to prevent little kids from playing with guns is to not have one.
Amen.
So that way, with no knowledge except for movies, if they do manage to find one in someone else’s house they will know to point it at a friend and pull the trigger.
OR if they know something about them: dangerous, only allowed to touch when a parent is around and permission granted (and they know the 4 rules of gun safety), must go get an adult when a weapon is found, they can KEEP another child from shooting it.
Yeah, good call on that one…
I don’t know anyone who owns a gun.
I know a lot of people who own guns. Mostly rifles and shotguns for hunting. They teach their children gun safety, and their children respect that the guns could hurt somebody and don’t play with them. Also, the parents keep them locked up when not using them, which helps.
So, by that argument gun safety should be taught in our schools? Or is it now the responsibility of Jane Doe to teach her son or daughter all about guns on the off chance that they are at a friends house with guns just lying around? Personally, if I had a kid, that kid would not be going to homes that had guns where said kids might have access to them.
“I donāt know anyone who owns a gun.”
you think. I have two under my bead. No one knows about them except my brother, and he lives in another state. For all you know if you live in San fran, we might know each other.
Education is ALWAYS better than security through obfuscation.
“bed” not “bead”. damn spell check.
I’m European.
No-one who visits me or who I visit owns a gun. They’re my friends, I would know.
“I donāt THINK I know anyone who owns a gun.” Fixed it for you. Chances are that someone in your child’s class at school has one, and unless you are willing to be very diligent about asking each person who your child MAY go visit (which then turns into their neighbors, or friends of friends) you may want to keep thinking about that.
Or just lock the kid up, makes life easier on everyone that way
the only way you would know for sure is if (1) you ask everyone if they own one and (2) everyone is honest. Assuming #2, and also assuming you have more than 10 friends, it’s sad that you would make #1 a requirement for friendship. No one knows about my guns mainly because it never comes up.
It’s sad though – i guess we could never be friends under your criteria. =(
@ udontknow:
Re-read my comments. Where did I say that it is a criteria for my friendship to not own a gun? If you can’t find where I said that, it may be because I didn’t.
In my country gun owners are the exception. Very few people whose safety is seriously threatend are allowed to own a gun. Anyone else who wants a gun must be a member of a shooting association (or club or whatever the correct word may be). Many are, but usually in rural areas. In a city such as the one I’m living in, owning a gun just isn’t common. And it works quite well for our society.
@ Avis: No, I don’t think gun safety should be taught in schools. I think it is the responsibility of the gun owner to teach their children gun safety. By so doing the children will understand that the gun is not a toy, and will not want to play with it or let their friends play with it. I also think it is the responsibility of the gun owner to keep the gun secured when it’s not in use, so the children won’t have access to them.
@Avis:
There is a substantial gun culture in the U.S. and I feel as a responsible parent one must teach children about firearms whether we like them or not. Leaving our children’s education (on any subject) solely in the hands of our schools is just another step in our journey away from personal accountability.
@Arthur Eld
that’s good to know.. you just sounded pretty set against it: “No-one who visits me or who I visit owns a gun. Theyāre my friends, I would know.” Especially the “no one who visits me” part seems sort of harsh. If you’re like me, people visit all the time. (I’m 26, so no little kids come over) The finality of your tone, and the fact you seemed to know this piece of trivia as fact across all your friends made it seem to me that you were actively screening your friends on that criteria.
Glad you’re not though! Cheers!
At one time I thought I might own a gun. Then, a friend of mine that was a marksman in college competitions took me to the range a few times. After that I was convinced that extensive and continual simulation training would be required to make life or death decisions with such awesome power c0cked and at the ready.
I am a confident person who likes to take charge, but I recognized the absurdity of carrying a loaded weapon around the house in a stressful situation.
Gun training can enlighten in more than one way.
I agree that there are things that are up to the parents to teach their kids. But the ins and outs of gun safety (with the exception of “DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT TOUCHING ONE”) are not something that should be necessary.
My parents told me not to play with matches when I was little…I did anyway, and I got burned. Even households where parents educate their children about guns have gun-related injuries and deaths. It happens.
Those who are willing to take the risk must be willing to deal with the consequences, though.
I first learned gun safety in elementary school. The instructor was provided by an organization that’s gone away from gun safety instruction in favor of stupid politicization of the issue.
I am a gun owner. Not a mythical “law abiding gun owner” but a responsible gun owner. I am a certified gun instructor. And I wouldn’t discourage anyone who doesn’t live in a dense urban area from owning a weapon for personal safety or for hunting. But for that untrained person in a city, large town, etc., a firearm really can be as deadly to self as to an intruder.
Not have which, a little kid or a gun?
Either one works.
Yeah, down with little kids!
That’s not what I meant, and you should know that. I have little kids, and I do not have a gun. Somebody who wants a gun, and doesn’t want kids hurt by it could choose the other option. Hence, either one works.
*poke*
*tickle*
I was trying to inject a little silly into this thread, as you know I also have ikkle kiddies. I do agree with your sentiment though.
*squeeze*
*hangs head*
I should have known better.
*apologysqueezes*
Hey…where kids and safety are concerned, I don’t blame you for taking it seriously.
*tickle tickle*
My dad had guns the whole time we were growing up, but they were always secured, and until I was old enough to go to the range with my dad, I was given exactly those rules: don’t touch it, don’t let anyone else mess with it, get an adult pronto. Worked for us. And I have to agree with sauerkraut, as another properly educated gun owner — unless someone knows how to shoot safely and effectively *and is willing to do so should the need arise* — odds are the bad guy just takes it off them and uses it. Untrained people, or people on certain kinds of medication, gots no business messing with guns.
I miss the organization in question, too. Once upon a time I was proud to be a member of it. Not since the current head took over though. Ah well — just as many yammerheads around no matter which side of the fence ye look at, not so?
Greywolf, just gettin’ round to delurking
my dad took each of my 5 siblings and i out to the shooting range, the day before we turned four. he taught us all about guns and the fact that they are not toys. he keeps his guns in an unlocked wooden cupboard in his room. it would be so easy for one of us to take one and yet nothing has ever happened. my oldest brother is 19, my youngest is 9 and we all respect guns. we’re all quite good shots, and are proficient with quite a few guns, and i am so glad that my dad taught me and my siblings about guns and gun safety.
i guess i didnt really finish that thought, i got interrupted in the middle.
anyway, since we were always comfortable with guns, and yet knew they were something to fear and respect, we never felt wanted to take them out and experiment with them, as we knew their power. i am certain that because dad taught us, we avoided many injures. (or just one REALLY big one >.>)
i feel safe knowing that the guns are there. its unlocked because hey, whats the point of having locked guns if you need them for self defence? i know that our home is safer for the guns being there.
(AND we’re all set in case of zombie invasion
)
I guess it took all of the Hollywood mystique out of it huh?
No more magic, no more interest.
(AND weāre all set in case of zombie invasion
) says macburl…
Och aye laddie!! *Always* good to be prepared for zombie invasion!!
Greywolf (holding hiz rifle and snarling at da zombies)
At the age of 4?? A 4-y.o. isn’t equipped mentally to process all that safety stuff. And keeping a firearm in an unlocked cabinet around little kids is not only irresponsible but just plain stupid. Your old man was lucky a deadly accident didn’t just happen.
Just because I wouldn’t recommend it to families doesn’t make it a bad product. Parents should have some sense and elect to keep this out of their homes. That doesn’t make it a bad product. And just because you don’t want it or don’t believe in it, does not make it a bad product.
I’d go a step further and say just because some idiotic irresponsible parent puts one of these on their bed and their kids blows his head off doesn’t mean it’s a bad product, and doesn’t mean it should be taken off the market, but that might sound like a rant. I’m just sick of knee-jerk legislation taking the place of good old-fashioned responsibility.
And it makes it so much more convenient for sufferers of clinical depression to blow themselves away in bed.
No it doesn’t, try it! Go ahead….see, not so easy with a shot gun, is it?
If you have seen the things I have. Curt Cobain pulled it off, as I recall.
That was actually Courtney.
Said not easy, not “impossible”.
How about this, just use it for it’s intended use: a rack, not a safe!
Safe: keep gun in when not going to bed/ return gun to after waking
Rack: easy, unlocked access to gun to protect yourself when the zombies attack in the middle of the night.
That way, kids or no kids, if you aren’t home and your house is broken into, you will never have to come home just to look down the barrel of your OWN gun.
OK, if zombies ever come into actual existence, I’ll buy one.
Then it will be too late. I don’t think mail order will be working during the zombie apocalypse.
Or if it is, make sure you can shoot the UPS driver as he delivers your box…
The drug problems and widening disparity between the wealthy and poor here in America seems to lend itself to producing particularly violent criminals, Savage.
So rather than try and fix the real problems, we should all get guns? That doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense.
Well for my parents in their 60′s living just off a major interstate the hope/prospect of the drug problems vanishing, the economy turning around, everyone suddenly holding hands, singing and there be no more violent crime in the world are slim. So they have to deal with the reality of the world as it is.
We need dreamers and those that can hope like you. Unfortunately I deal with the everyday needs of a flawed society that proves hundreds of times over everyday they cannot just “get along.”
I’m not trying to be the “why can’t we all just get along” type, really I’m not. But I do think that we can do something about some of these problems by actually addressing them. Arming the public just doesn’t seem to be the best way to fix anything.
*cancels order and goes back to being a peaceful citizen*
I like you better when you are disorderly.
Hey if you have some good ideas about how to do that let us all know. I’d love to live in a Utopian world.
Arming oneself isn’t a political statement, it is a logical conclusion for some and obviously not your choice and that is fine. You know your own situation better than anyone else. I’d just like the same courtesy. For my situation, for my family, our geography and current social climate I want the right to be able to depend on myself and not the mercy of strangers to defend my home and family. The last thing I would ever want to do is harm someone. But, I will do what I must to protect my little girl and my wife.
Adm, I don’t think Avis is aiming for the Utopian outlook. More so noting the problem of hearing about more accidents caused by guns than used properly for protection. I’ve heard of more stories of stray bullet killings than of actually cops (who I know) who have actually had to shoot after pulling their gun, let alone simply laying a hand on one. We honestly might be experiencing things differently coming from different environments.
The problem is definitely more complex than arm the public vs disarm them. The fact is the US is not gonna give up the second amendment easily, so what do we do? There are too many guns on the streets and they find their way there faster than law enforcement and shut down a source. And that’s without the belief that some gun suppliers are supported to keep the “street wars” going.
If we keep the second amendment, what upgradeable conditions do we set? Should everyone who wants one get a background checks and lessons before they get their gun? It’s hard to deter people from having them, especially with stories of people legally defending themselves.
Until we can deal with the problem of crime (which is very difficult since you’d have to change the mindset of the person committing or wanting to commit the crime), how do we protect ourselves? I’m asking, not giving a weighted opinion.
Good question BG and I think it will require people with bigger brains than mine to come up with that solution. Those Dreamers and Thinkers. To best conclusion I have come up with is short term. (I’ve always been a bad chess player)
Education, sharing of thoughts and open frank discussion much like with the good discussions taking pace in regards to drug control. This isn’t guns are “good” or “bad”, what is best for your location, this is a subjective debate which should include the inherently flawed nature of humanity.
Now now… there’s really no point in you trying to bring ‘reason’ and ‘social responsibility’ into this perfectly acceptable discussion. Trolling isn’t cool. lol
Truth and reason never seem to win when power and faith make better bludgeons.
Sadly, until “truth and reason” come into universal being, we need to protect ourselves by whatever means we believe necessary. If that includes the ownership of one or more firearms, then so be it.
The public is already armed. This product is just making your gun purchase more convenient.
Guess what? The “real” problem will always be there – humans will always be trying to kill other humans, and the innocent, law abiding humans will always need a means by which they can defend themselves. Besides, a police car travels (on average) about 20-60 miles per hour, and must travel across town to get to where you are. A bullet, at the least, travels 800 feet per second, and only needs to travel about 20 feet, at most.
You do the math, and tell me what you’d rather use to defend yourself. And please, don’t give me the BS about having children in the household – if you can’t keep control of your own kids and prevent them from getting ahold of your gun, *you* are the one with the problem.
Oh, and that gun rack? Not pointing at the head of the bed, and there is nothing to press the trigger. It is reasonably safe in that position.
Isn’t it amazing that your country isn’t safe? I mean, Americans own millions of guns, but the sum of people killed by guns in a year is MUCH higher than in European nations or in Canada. Strange…
The Swiss have more guns per capita than the US.
And less killings.
Methinks you missed the point or I did…
The number of guns in country correlates but does not directly equate to deaths by firearms. The lack of education in the US is appalling, downright frightening at times to me. That is what I believe to be the real issue.
Amen.
You caught me, I kinda intermingled two things.
What I wanted to say is that if owning a gun makes you more safe the US should be a very safe place, because you folks have lots of guns. But unfortunately, that is not the case.
Switzerland or Canada are indeed examples that societies with lots of guns can be safe. But, as I said, the US and Brasil and South Africa and other nations are an example for the opposite.
That seems to mean that free gun ownership doesn’t improve the safety of Americans (Canadians and Swiss are another story).
So how does one remedy that? Mandatory gun safety classes in grade schools? Admittedly, requiring such courses for gun owners is a stellar idea. And for every member of that owners household as well.
My liberal Euro soft mofo opinion is that you should get rid of as many guns in a society as you can. But don’t take that idea serious; I <I<am a communist fascist tree-lover after all.
Plus I do fail in html.
But not in any other way, sweet stuff.
*squeeze*
Kai Admiral, kai kassai!!
Wot he said!
Greywolf
i think this is owed to the fact that everyone who has been to the swiss army gets to keep his rifle.. i wouldn’t say itĀ“s the same thing as in the US, as i am sure they have much stricter gun laws concerning just walking up to a store and buying one.
As far as I know they do have their rifle, but in general not at home. I may be wrong on that.
Arthur Eld said:
“Isnāt it amazing that your country isnāt safe? I mean, Americans own millions of guns, but the sum of people killed by guns in a year is MUCH higher than in European nations or in Canada. Strangeā¦”
1. Gun deaths are irrelevant; crime rate as a whole is far more important, with emphasis on *all* homicides. And, well, not all of America is as pro-gun as you seem to think… places like Washington DC and LA have bans on all handguns and severe restrictions on all other types of firearms. They also have the highest crime and homicide rates in the country. Compare that to, say, Montana or Wisconsin, which have rather *low* crime rates, and it becomes clear; gun laws do not help people. They only serve to disarm those who would obey the law already, not those who would not.
If nothing else, I claim my right to bear arms just as I claim my right to anything; owning a gun, and using it, MUST be permitted in a free society, and the only time when gun ownership (or anything) can be rightfully revoked from an individual is when said individual has violated another’s rights, and denying them the right to bear arms (or whatever other right they may have, as it impossible to enumerate all rights an individual may have) will prevent them from committing the same violation again.
DC’s ban was severely changed a couple of years ago courtesy of SCOTUS.
Your argument doesn’t hold water. In most European nations, gun ownership is no personal right therefore only a minority of the people have guns. Our crime rates are lower than in the US and it’s the same with gun-related deaths (no matter if we’re talking about murder, self defense, accidents or whatnot). So obviously an armed society has the potential to be a more dangerous society than an unarmed society, the US, South Africa or Brasil are examples for that. As I’ve already said somewhere here, there are examples for the opposite, too, like Switzerland or Canada. But clearly, the US is a country in which it is more likely to somehow get shot than, for example, in my own country or the other European nations.
As for your statement “owning a gun, and using it, MUST be permitted in a free society” – no. There are plenty of free nations on this planet and in most it’s much harder to legally get a gun than it is in the US (getting a gun illegally is also harder, simply ’cause there are fewer guns around). You may define legal gun ownership as a main criteria for yourself, by saying “I want to live in a society in which I can own a gun”, but calling the European nations unfree because we don’t have the right to bear arms is simply wrong (and pretty arrogant).
As for myself, I feel better to live in a society in which it is unlikely that my neighbor has a gun. I feel more free, ’cause I don’t have to worry as much that I might get shot by someone.
Killing someone in self-defense has never, in any system that I have ever heard of, been considered murder, or any kind of a crime.
What country do you live in? I’ll be sure to stay out of a place that won’t let me lift a finger to save my own life.
Sadly parts of the US are getting there. For instance the state of MD thinks it’s fair for someone like my 100lb wife to have to go toe to toe with an armed 250lb racist, as being able to carry a gun would give her a horribly unfair advantage to not being raped and killed. NO concealed carry without really really really special circumstances (like if you work in a place where you have to carry large amounts of money, but you are still ONLY allowed to carry while transporting said money)
She carries pepper-spray. Not nearly as effective (may cause blindness for up to 15 minutes, then again, may not)
Feel free to not live there.
I’m working on it. Unfortunately the job market here absolutely rocks, but in the next few years I’ll be moving to a place where I FEEL (again totally subjective) safer.
IMO the reason that Baltimore is such a dangerous place is because the criminals are completely complacent KNOWING that if someone is outside of their house, they aren’t armed. Easy pickins.
Outlaw guns and only the outlaws with have guns (and they have MANY)
“Outlaw guns and only the outlaws will have guns” sounds like another fear tactic.
Simple logic really. As a law abiding citizen, if owning a gun was illegal I would not own a gun. But criminals, by definition, break the law. What, do you think someone would be willing to rob, rape, or kill you, which are all acts which are against the law, but would stop short of breaking a gun law?
Not really my point. In another area of the comment section this particular person was talking about how both sides of the argument use fear tactics to get their points across.
So instead of using a readily available quip to explain a pretty easy to follow logical thought, you need me to break it down? Okay: if two people each have an apple, and the government decides that everyone should turn in their apples, only the person who complied will be apple-less. The other person will still have their apple. Now, pretend these apples are guns.
No, a pro-gun fear tactic would go like this “If you don’t own a gun, you aren’t safe! You’ll be killed, you will have no chance to survive in any situation!”
An anti-gun fear tactic would go like this “If you own a gun, you are going to get killed by it! Your kids will shoot your whole family and all their friends!”
No logic involved, just asinine statements made out of fear to invoke fear.
Personally, I like to have the Option to Decide to protect my family however I feel is appropriate. I want everyone else to have that option too. What I don’t like is people who would make a different decision than me trying to force me out of my options.
Same deal with religion, or sexuality, or nearly anything.
It is, avis, it is. And it almost always comes from someone who self-describes as “law abiding.”
Exactly. Nobody so far has mentioned Mexico. Guns are completely illegal (you go to jail if you are even caught with a single bullet in your car) and yet they have FAR worse gun/violence problems than America.
For a while Florida had a problem where rental cars had very distinctive license plates. Criminals targeted them because they were expected to have valuables AND they were unlikely to be armed unlike the local citizenry (Florida has “shall issue” laws). Places where concealed permits are readily available (shall issue states vs may issue states) often have much LOWER crime rates. Why? Because (a) you never know who might have a gun on them if you try to rob/hurt them and (b) the people with permits all have to have thorough background checks and training before they can do carry.
Criminals will always have guns or knives or homemade bombs or some other way of hurting honest citizans to get what they want (look at Britain’s knifing problems – what are you going to do, make kitchen knives illegal?). When honest, law-abiding, trained citizens can ALSO carry/own guns, their chances of safety and survival increase.
“Wow, look at all the sheeple.”
It’s really sad that so many folks have been successfully brainwashed into thinking guns are inherently dangerous. “All too often guns are used against their owners in home invasions.” All too often people quote quotes of quotes on the internet without bothering to find out the truth about what percentage that might actually be. (pretty darn low compared to folks successfully scaring off attackers(yay!) or defending themselves with a shot (not so yay) with a weapon)
It wasn’t long ago that folks realized the danger in relying on the police to come save you. If you live in a highly populated city response time might be as FAST as five minutes. Awesome! Chances are, it will take significantly longer. You may be more than happy to give a meth-head five minutes to shoot you and rape your wife, but I take responsibility for the safety of everyone in my house.
I think it is a dumb idea to point a shotgun at your head, however I don’t see that here. See I sleep on top of the mattress which even if someone was sitting next to the bed and firing the thing in the rack, it wouldn’t put pellets in me.
All that is moot however as most folks store their shotguns “cruiser ready” meaning loaded magazine, empty chamber, locked chamber, and trigger safety engaged. What that means for those of you who are not familiar with shotguns is to fire accidentally in that rack that’s “pointed at your head” you’d have to bump: a small switch under the trigger guard While shucking the pump (that part you should all know of from the movies) to get a round in the chamber, also somehow mistakenly disengage the safety and then pull the trigger. All by accident.
Honestly, I feel comfortable posting about something that I know about. But still, with all of the time I’ve spent on the intertoobz, I’m still shocked to see people vehemently attacking or defending a viewpoint while making it a point to not use logic, research, real life examples and instead just going with knee-jerk reactions based of fear.
It’s perfectly normal to be afraid of a weapon if you haven’t had experience with it, I’m not bashing that. I didn’t grow up in a house full of guns; the first time I ever shot one I was in my late twenties (and damn nervous about it too), but I went in with the right mindset of learning what I could about something new.
Try to be openminded enough that you feel your viewpoint isn’t the absolute truth just because you feel strongly about it. Do research, read both sides, if you feel stronger about your preconcieved notions, great, now you have good info to back it up, if you feel that you might want to change your viewpoint, great, you’re still young enough to not be terribly stubborn.
Remember, the police are only minutes away, when seconds count.
I guess that’s altogether, thoroughly, way too much on this. Now back to your regularly scheduled *Squeezes*
Sorry, what I meant to add, but totally FAILed was:
A super pro-gunner would say “Wow, look at all the sheeple” and then to berate you for having a different view.
I got a little lost when I was looking for that quote and forgot to come back and give it context.
–failure in communication
*Shoots the messenger*
Aren’t you glad you had that shotgun so easily accessible?
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(*snork!*)
*roffle!*
He was using a slingshot.
btw – guns are inherently dangerous. Guns have but one purpose. But you already knew that.
Right, when seconds count, the police are only a few minutes away.
Yup, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
I think this is a neat product. I’ve been keeping my shotgun under the bed for years.
Some of us live were there is no danger of people breaking into out houses as we sleep.
I suppose we have to allow for people who live in places so sick that that’s a danger to do *something*.
Sad, though.
There are small children EVERYWHERE in the world.
Look! There’s one!
Was it a smart one? I haven’t had lunch yet…
Sorry, ate him already.
And when you know children are visiting an armed household, the only correct action is to place all firearms in the MANDATORY gun safe for the duration of the visit. Most smart folks keep all or all but one in the safe all the time in any case, because guns are almost always targeted by house burglars.
Well… except the gun was facing the head of the bed in most of the video and that’s a rather awkward grab position and it’s a long object and likely to get tangled in the blankets and having one just makes you seem like you’re kind of paranoid and mentally ill or you really need to give up your life as a drug dealer.
But other than that…
I lost someone to a home invasion. Wish he had had a gun handy. I’d hate to feel I needed a gun within reach at all times, though. Hell of a way to live.
Please tell me that was a SNL joke commercial. PLEASE!!
I don’t think it was, Avis.
*squeeze*
*squeeze*
That makes me kind of sad.
*pouts*
Makes me very sad. I don’t even want to think of the small children that come into their parents room in the middle of the night because of a bad dream.
I think I will have nightmares now!
Sorry, I just vomited all over myself. I didn’t think there were people like you three out there. In theory I guess I knew you all existed, but I still keep thinking that you three are all an SNL joke. Well good luck to you in your search for Utopia
Why does it all have to be this “all or nothing” thing? Why must I be looking for Utopia if I think that guns are not something I want to have? Everything in life isn’t all black and white. Nothing is that cut and dried.
So why are you having nightmares? Why is fluffy sad?
The assumption is that you three don’t have guns and you are scared or sad for those of us who do. Thus you’d be happier if we didn’t.
Additionally I am not looking for black and white. I respect your right not to arm yourself or in this case have a firearm close to your bedside. I know you haven’t accused me of it but it is implied that you do not respect my right to do otherwise. My argument and position is far more diverse than yours in that case. You are looking for an extreme. I would like to keep the diversity that already exists.
The nightmare came from the !mage of a small child walking into it’s parents room and being blown away because Daddy wasn’t quite awake and thought an intruder came in. We are sad that people feel it necessary to arm themselves in such a careless fashion.
I think guns are unnecessary in the urban house. If you hunt, great, keep it somewhere safe. Next to the bed in a rack such as that is not an example of a safe place.
If you are in law enforcement, again, great. Again, safer place than the adverised “back up” would be smarter.
For you to have “vomited” on yourself because I want something different than you is being diverse?
I agree with Arthur, we need fewer guns in a society, not more.
Nice Dodge. The question is why was my opinion black and white? The other question is how is your hope that we have less guns not infringing on the 2nd amendment (sorry if you don’t live in the US, uh very sorry). By the way this hope is what I call your little Utopia. Yes it would be wonderful if we didn’t need guns for self defense. It would be nice if no one ever got cancer either. Until then I’ll do what I can to protect both my and your rights to have and keep them.
By calling what I hope for “Utopia” I think that qualifies as an “all or nothing” attitude.
I live in the US, and last I checked I have the privilege, nay, the right to voice my opinion. You are free to ignore my opinion, but you are not free to ignore that right. You have the right to bear arms (unless you had that right revoked due to some indictment). I have the right to think that right is wrong. I may not be able to DO anything about it, but I most certainly can say anything my hear desires concerning it.
And the only thing you are missing is logic. Congratulations
You might consider an anger management course or something. It’s obvious that you try to discuss, but apparently you can’t do so without being aggressive.
My logic works just fine, thank you. I can see where you might not be able to see that, but it works all the same.
@Avis Yes, you have the right to say it, but when you say it like this “we need fewer guns in a society, not more”. That sounds pretty close to “I don’t want you to be able to have a gun”, which would violate my right.
Depends on where you live A31.
I agree with AE… Buckwheat was being a bit ’50′s in his interaction. He turned me off the minute he attacked “you three.”
Who’s Angry here? I am making jokes and laughing at the responses. Keep it coming. I can handle it.
Yeah, and others trying to have a decent conversation, whereas you’re aggressive.
Right, I’m sure daddy can’t tell the difference between his 2 foot kid who’s about as tall as his bed and a 6 foot intruder…
I can see where you would assume that of Fluffy or Avis, but where do you get that from my comment? Have you not read any of my other comments? No, I do not own a gun, but I have been considering getting one. Still debating the pros and cons before I decide one way or the other. And no, I’m not scared of people who own guns, as long as they’re not pointing them at me or at my children. And no, I’m not sad for people who have guns.
Sorry, I think I misunderstood your comment there then. Was it sarcasm?
No, I was merely stating a fact and offering my friend some comfort with a *squeeze*.
It may have been humor, bw, but you were too into your gun ownership speech to see it.
Only a liberal would call this a fail.
Agreed.
Wrong. I consider myself to be conservative, and I’m calling this a fail. I don’t have a problem with guns, but I don’t think this is a safe way to store one. Doesn’t matter if there are children around or not. Not. Safe. Therefore, it’s a fail.
I agree. There’s common sense and then there’s just plain stupidity. We happen to be commenting on the latter…
*squeeze*
*butterysqueezes*
I’m trying to figure out how this isn’t safe even when children aren’t around. The premise here is that you only put it there when you are sleeping, not necessarily all the time.
Without the children debate which has already been carried out further up the line here, all you have is someone that grabs it in their sleep thinking it’s a wine bottle. Once again this is a matter of gun knowledge and education. Someone who buys a gun, never fires it but keeps it under (or next to) their bed is more likely to injure themselves or someone else when reaching for their gun.
So my challenge for those of you opposed to guns or concealed permits or having the right to buy and sell a product designed to hold a gun next to a bed…. Go down to your local shooting range, pay for a class, rent a gun, fire a few shots and get over being scared of the thing and realize that they are tools. Just like any tool if used improperly or with fear can be dangerous. Then you can return and tell me how scared you are of those things and that shooting at a target that looks like a person isn’t a good idea and that anyone with a gun is worse than Hitler. Just a thought.
You can’t draw a political figure like Hitler and gun control into the same sentence. Pick a instance where a gun was used and the lack of gun control was used.?
The minute he used Hitler in his statement, he lost whatever point he might have had. And I write that as a firearm instructor, gun owner and… liberal.
And… who said that?
He’s more or less replying to my comment up there. ^
@Buckwheat: It’s not safe because you could still inadvertently hurt somebody that isn’t actually an intruder. Not to mention the fact that if the blankets uncover the rack, an intruder could get to the gun before the homeowner putting the everybody who lives in the residence at risk. Not. Safe.
You said anyone with a gun is worse than Hitler? I must have missed the inappropriate Hitler comparison of the day…
Sigh. Godwin again.
Buckwheat referenced Hitler, AE. He apparently had run out of cogent points to make.
I know. That was my point.
Sorry. I didn’t realize that was the point you were making.
Sorry everyone. I forgot how taboo among us it is to mention things like Hitler’s name even in jest. I guess the jokes on me. I don’t have a coherent argument otherwise mentioned so I lose. Let’s take away everyone’s right to guns everywhere so that only the police (and only when on duty) and criminals have guns. What a wonderful world that will be. I fully support this initiative now that my eyes have been opened. In fact I think we should all have a nice sign on our door that states that our home is gun free and welcome anyone with a pointed stick to rummage through our things while we wait for the police to get clearance to unholster their weapon.
Not safe? If someone breaks into your house while you’re sleeping, chances are by the time you are aware of this, whether they enter rather loudly or quietly, you won’t have a lot of time. That makes a gun safe pointless, same with storing it in a closet on a shelf or on the floor. Putting it under the bed is even more of a waste when for only $40 you can mount it on the side of the bed, within arms reach while you’re laying down.
The whole point of home defense is to be able to protect yourself in the event you have to. For the most part, a majority will never have to, but that’s not something you leave to chance. With no kids around, this is perfect. I don’t have any kids, but I keep 2 handguns in the top drawer of the night table next to my bed.
Gracie, anyone who comes into your house at night while you are asleep, without your permission, is an intruder. But you’re also assuming that everyone shoots before looking… that’s not the case. If you’re too scared to operate, then you don’t need to have a gun because you’ll do more harm than good.
And this is to Jodie or Judie a few posts down… That’s just advertising. You don’t aim for the heart, you aim for center mass. So in reality, your target is considerably bigger.
2 guns, eh? So it takes you twice as long to confront an intruder.
If the intruder gives you advance notice. …
Or maybe this is just a god awful, unsafe idea that provides no additional protection than if you had the thing on a wall rack in your bedroom.
I read that as “bathroom”, and loled.
Well, I do have a harpoon on a special rack in my bathroom. I’m very scared about what would happen if the bad guys come while I’m taking a shower.
Are they coming up through the drain? Perhaps you should get another special rack for the loo, too.
I didn’t think about that! I need to take some safety measures immediately. My gf will understand that we have to poo in a bag after I welded the toilet.
*runs off, but not without leaving a couple of squeezes behind*
*squeezes, towels off*
*SQUEEZE!!!*
*runs to get the ShamWow*
No need to weld… just flush.
Twice.
*pouts*
Video is still broken. A recap, please?
It’s a commercial for a gun rack that attaches to your bed. Between the mattress and box spring, assuring that your firearm is VERY easily accessible to you (or your children) at any point in the night.
This would help me sleep soooo much better. Must buy one now!
A squirt gun should fit, if it’s one of those super-soaker types. The rack is designed to hold shotguns.
Better upgrade to one of those Supersoaker pump-action ones… they’re better against ‘home invasions’…
It’s a commercial for a gun holder that keeps your gun right at your bedside.
Can’t see either, but I think it’s the shotgun rack for your bed. You can order one, or two for both sides. At the end, it should say “not for use in homes with children”.
It does say that at the end. But I don’t have sound today (too many folks in my area.) What are they advertising it as a “back up” for? The handgun under your pillow?
Oh, and this is from their website:
NEVER MISS YOUR TARGET
A Shotgun Offers 10 Times
the
Protection of a Handgun
With a Handgun you have to hit
something the size of a paper plate
while possibly on your back
and
in the dark.
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This product is not intended for use in homes with children.
Well, they are right, a shotgun does make a bigger hole…
It’s a commercial selling special racks that you attach to your bed to place your shotgun on. Now you can safely sleep beside your loaded shotgun every day of the week!
pretty sure this is a win
Anti-thief win.
People breaking into your home to leave you presents will have a place to leave your shiny new shotgun.
Or if you already have a shiny shotgun and mistake this person for a burglar… which reminds me of a youtube vid
search for “Cold Blooded Christmas”, you won’t regret it… hopefully.
I hear he’s got a hair trigger in bed… poor man
It’s ok, with his gun, he can still boom boom, shake shake the room.
I would definitely not have the gun pointing at the head of the bed, though.
No, you point it toward the door. If an intruder comes in, you can shoot without getting out of bed. Shoot, roll over, call cops to remove body in the morning. Or take turns removing bodies with your spouse.
But the commercial shows them putting the gun in with the barrel pointing toward the head of the bed. Idiots.
Yeah, that’s what makes them idiots.
I forgot that part! Why the hell would you do that. You’d get the burglar who cased your place, and shoots you instead (if they’re a quiet sneaker like me
).
Do you have a corpse problem in your home, BG??
Yes, yes I do. And there’s nothing on the market to help!
*tosses BG a box of ShamWows*
That should help.
*holds up box of ShamWows* Thanks! And just in time for the Holidays!
āŖ You may find yourself living in a shotgun love shack. āŖ
Is that by the sister group of B52s? The AK47s?
Nah, he just Stopped Making Sense
Talking Head Shots
Tonto’s Exploding Head Band?
“so i heard you sleep with a gun under your pillow?”
“no darling, i sleep with a shotgun at the side of my bed!”
those clever ‘mericans…always inventing new things.
Doubles as a place to tie down bondage ropes.
But if you struggle, someone gets shot and dies.
Buy one for each side of the bed!
For the Lara Croft style!
Somebody's gonna find a tomb!It’s naht a tombah!
Those pesky alarm clocks!
This is a win! Sure beats throwing marshmallows at armed intruders!
Those mallows are dangerous. Could have someone’s eye out you know!!!
Depends on how ferocious the Moomin’s feeling, wouldn’t it?
He’s evil. Nobody believes me!
How can we! He just looks like such a fluffy squishy yummy marshmallow! He looks way too
yummysweet to be evil.Example #1: Stay Puft Marshmallow Man from Ghostbusters
Don’t cross the streams!
Example # 2: The Blob. (He’s really just a very, very relaxed moomin.)
Yeah, they’re all too busy being serious down there. vv
Or up there… or like, whatever! *sigh*
:[
*poke*
*puts a Red Ryder carbine-action, two hundred mini-marshmallow Range Model air rifle with a compass in the stock and a thing which tells time under the Fail-tree*
Ralphie!!!!
A zeppelin! That’s mine!
When I was little, we saw The Blob and Son of Blob in a double feature. After that, I was convinced that they lived under my bed, wearing little suits, and were just waiting for the chance to grab my legs.
Example # 3: DB *aka Death-Bringer*. Fear the cute. And bubblegum.
*clicky to see how evil she is*
That’s because he distracts us with his marshmallow-y cuteness.
Oops. I though you were saying he’s Elvis, which I refuse to believe.
Moomin can wiggle just like Elvis, but now he’s all shook up.
Oh come on, don’t be cruel people! Does a girl have to die on the crapper to get a little Elvis recognition? Sheesh!
Are You Lonesome Tonight?
Why? Are you going to love me tender?
*Snickers*
Little sister, treat me nice.
Hehehe, you wouldn’t want a fool such as I anyways.
You are too much.
A Bedazzler, barbiturates, and boobies.
Sideburns, suede shoes and swingin’ hips?
Mmmmm, black velvet….
I am SO bummed that I spent the weekend in Vegas and didn’t see Elvis! Hmph.
That’s weird, I haven’t seen him lately either. I hope nothing’s happened to him.
He is probably at Graceland taking a long nap.
Sorry Jam, I had to run to the store. If I don’t finish shopping some of my relatives are going to have a Blue Christmas.
You’re right to remember that fools rush in to shops at the last minute.
Funny how time slips away.
Don’t get the G.I Blues.
*tickletickle*
*Chuckles*
I surrender.
WTF?!?!?
*hides under bed*
*creeps up behind Moomin*
BOO!!!
*leaps and whacks head on bed*
*shotgun goes off releasing an explosion of chicken feathers from nowhere*
Waaaaargh.
*peeks around the corner*
Hey, what was that noise? Oh, and have you guys seen my chicken around here?
I can see if maybe you live by a garbage dump, and you sleep with your patio doors open in the summer, and a bear could wander in. But something tells me this hasn’t even crossed the minds of whomever made this stupid thing.
If America ever get’s it’s ass up off the couch, maybe this nonsense will stop.
Hey you gave me a great idea, a shotgun holder for your couch. It could have an attachment for your remote and a cupholder for your Budweiser.
*steals idea, makes millions*
mwahaha…
You can also make one for your car. Same configurations, with the beer can holder.
Um….Fluf? They already do, they just don’t call it a “beer” can holder. (You don’t get to WV much, do you?)
Wait, there’s a “West” Virginia?!
Yes, Virginia.
Is it a Wicked Virginia of the West?
So…how was the West Virginia won?
All’s quiet on the Virginian front.
Its the Wild Wild West Virginia.
On another note: Why is it call West Virginia when I have to go East to get to it.
Ooh! I’ma on-up you here!
A gun-holder for your car door!
You don’t even have to take your right hand off the steering wheel!
why not… and then there’s lara croft… she had a shotgun holder in her crotch.
āŖPistol grip pump on my bed at all times,
Pistol grip pump on my bed at all times.
Fools be jackin other fools,
But they won’t be jackin minesā«
WIN!!!
Great stuff, will I get a free shot-gun if I order two? But being right-handed, my wife and I will have to swap sides of the bed…
Ask for our special “Soprano” family pack.
sounds like a high sales pitchThey did have a bear problem.
woofHow is this a fail? My grand-dad slept with a pistol under his pillow for decades. There once was a time when you told the kids to stay the hell out of your room or suffer an ass-beating, and they DID it.
Anyway, if you actually leave a gun in this thing 24/7 and/or you have kids in the house, that’s a fail on YOUR part, not the product.
But we don’t need to give idiots more bad ideas.
Cool…hey! does anyone know if this would hold a B19 rocket launcher?
Why don’t you try it and let us know?
What are you crazy?…that thing is $40. I’ll wait till someone confirms it for me…and believe me, someone will confirm it.
If you say so.
It’s called “The Back Up”. The shotgun is there only in case the rifle you sleep with jams.
I had to read that twice! All I got the first time was
“blah blah blah, sleep with jams”
Too funny! I should have read that again before posting.
All I got was "jam's on her back".That’s a bad angle for me. !magine being able to keep your own breasts warm in your armpits.
I totally understand.
Just wait ’til you hit yourself in the face with one of ‘em. Mildly embarrassing, that.
And that’s why jam does not do running.
And that’s why I don’t do running, either. Black eyes are not a good look for me.
*only runs if being chased or if trying to catch the last bus of the night*
+1, birdie. *only runs if a dog escapes and mandatory ultimate Frisbee*
*Releases dog*
*Throws Frisbee*
*Chases Avis*
*Runs for cover*
*runs, nearly dies* Ah, forget it. But, then, I smoke while playing tennis.
What a drag.
I’d quit, but I need to get rid of my two-handed backhand somehow.
You’re not working hard enough unless you feel the burn.
Careful…don’t use any language that will get you caught in the filter.
*hops on bus*
:p
I hope you checked which bus you hopped on. . . you may have to make a new plan.
I only run when chaste.
Chaste makes waist…
*snork!*
*snerk*
I had to read that twice… how udderly ridiculous!
LOL
How is that a fail? It looks really useful.
Definitely an Epic WIN!! So many of you keep talking about the safety of small children…Keep the gun locked up until you go to sleep. Holy crap, is it THAT complicated??
What if the little one sneaks in in the dead of night?
BAM!!!!
Their fault.
stupid americans…
Remind me, what’s stupid about sleeping next to a shotgun? Dangerous, perhaps (though there are places where a little danger helps a lot), and perhaps excessive (if you live in a neighborhood with low crime rates), but not stupid.
The most heavily armed country in the world per capita?
Not Americans. A friendly little country in the EU(whose favorite pastime is bashing the US). Do the research and come back to prove you have the capability of learning something your friends don’t gossip to you.
If you’re talking about Switzerland – it’s not in the EU.
I don’t see why it’s a fail…if it didn’t do its job, or if this was someone shooting himself, sure. But I don’t see anything immediately disturbing about this. Just another redneck toy.
Somehow, I feel as if the only people who really have an issue with this are people who have issues with guns…which means they have more issues than guns. Like being retarded and wussy.
Impotence must be such a trial.
You think it’s impotence? I thought it was all the pressure that builds up in virgin’s heads.
It’s either impotence or teeny peenie syndrome. Either way, he’s not getting laid.
Too many model trains.
Clang ,clang, clang went the trolley!
Ding, ding, ding went the bell!
No, the train say Choo Choo! Trust me, I know.
Is the train’s name Blaine?
Out of self preservation, I have to object to the term ‘jo’.
Don’t be so crabby.
I shall kick and stomp around like a monster until 4am, if you’re not careful.
I see what you did there.
Apparently, you don’t read the comments. Thank you for your broad assumptions. We really appreciate them. /sarcasm
Right on.
All hail the gunstitution
Only in America …
Fail?! This is so full of win, it should be on the Wheaties box!
*eyes Stephen suspiciously*
I think I know you…
… not biblically, I hope.
Heavens, no!
*shudders*
“When seconds count, the police take minutes.” However they come with a really effective cleaning crew to remove your unarmed mutilated body or the body of the bad guy you shot!
When asked why I carry a gun I like to reply, “Because a cop is too heavy.”
Amen to that!
I wonder if they make a rack so you can put a cop on the side of your bed. I think all these gun haters would go for that – they’d rather have the police in their bedrooms I guess.
I am totally in support of the right to keep and arm bears!
I agree! Why shouldn’t bears be armed! It can be dangerous in the woods.
Please, who needs shotguns?
I’ll take ‘em down with my bear hands!
From my cold, bear hands…
Bears are not dangerous… there is only one thing they do in the woods.
*sews extra arms on sprockes’ teddy bears*
Definite personal safety/defense win!
‘Giving liberal anti-gun wusses headaches’ win!
Comment fail.
Preaching w/ Entry Fail
Wrong place to prosletyze, even if the message weren’t itself wrong.
This is a epic win in my book. I want one.
Better get 2 the wife would want one for her gun.
Guns are not unstable or unsafe they function in very a predictable manner. There is nothing un-safe about the rack. The hooks are too big to fit into the trigger-house they are also sufficiently deep to keep it in place. Almost every shotgun has a safety that would need to be switch off so your not going to fire it groping around. Even if it did not have a safety proper and repetitive training (safety or no) will eliminate negligent discharge (que discharge jokes) I think I would point the barrel to the foot of the bed, but thats not a safety thing it’s an access thing. There is no way a crook will get to my gun before I do unless they filled the place with knockout-gas first. Not everyone has kids crawling all over their house. But if you do and want children to be safe around firearms you train them and until (can be done sooner than most people think) they are trained you limit access scenarios. Why the hell would they be allowed into your bedroom any way? Lock the door. Just explain the reasoning. Taboo-ing the gun is as effective as “sex as sin” abstinence training has been for teen pregnancy.
You can keep guns out of the house. Sex and drugs are a lot harder to limit access to. Abstinence training is ridiculous, yes. But gun training is only needed IF you have a gun. I will say that if you DO have a gun, every member of the household should have training in it’s use and the inherent dangers.
Almost agree, but don’t forget about the scenario of kids coming into contact with guns that are not in your house, but in someone else’s. Not to mention the rare occasion that a gun is just randomly found in a park/ on the street/ ect after being dumped.
No kid of mine is going to be in a house where guns are kept without me knowing about it. End of story. I would ask the parents of all friends. If they do have guns in the house hypothetical kid of mine only gets to continue to go there if said guns are kept locked somewhere safe. Then said hypothetical kid gets stern lecture about how dangerous a gun can be when one doesn’t have any training. And that training cannot be given to kid by kids friend.
Real world vs your world, which ones will your kids grow up in?
Knowledge is power. Knowledge is safety.
Attempts at control smother knowledge. And it’s been proven time and time again that kids WILL do what they want no matter what eventually.
But honestly, even though I don’t agree with your philosophy, I hope it works for you and yours, and you never have a gun related tragedy.
tl;dr
But I agree that could be more dangerous than safety with babies crawling at home. :S
How did you agree with something you didn’t read?
Didn’t read your comment Dilly, but I agree with it.
*squeeze*
Back atcha
, and +1 to whatever you just said.
Didn’t squeeze you both, but I will!
*Squeeze*
I am not neccesarily responing to your post I just REALLY have to comment. I do not live in a crazy crime area though of course not crime free. In my life, I am over 40, I only know of 3 incidents of people who responsibly own guns. All occurred about 10 years apart and in all cases they were either police, or ex military, and except for one incident known personally to me.
1) Police officer wakes to find someone breaking into his basement. End result, he shoots his teenage daughter who thankfully lived.
2) Yet another police officer, off duty, leaves his gun locked and hidden in the safe in his house. Teenage son gets hold of it and goes on a shootiing spree, not at anyone, just randomly, trees, signs, a house or two. Luckily no one is hurt.
3) Ex marine, wonderful guy – fire arms collector, but not displayed and also kept under lock and key, never even know he had it. Girlfriend commits suicide. (yes unstable but used his weapons)
I am not a crazy liberal, I HATE GUNS. Why put someting so deadly in your home? Simple for me. Not in my house. EVER.
Liberal doesn’t equal crazy.
4) 4-y.o. hangs onto his daddy’s jacket which is slung over the kitchen chair. Bam! His finger hits the trigger of the firearm in a pocket of said jacket, thereby shooting his mommy in the tummy.
5) Old dude in his 70′s hears something downstairs… up his stairs come two burglars, one of whom discovered the old man’s loaded rifle leaning against the downstairs wall. Old man points handgun at forehead of lead burglar, daring him to shoot the rifle. Burglars flee.
6) 8-y.o. discovers daddy’s handgun in nightstand drawer and brings weapon downstairs to show friend. Firearm discharges. Friend is dead.
1) Positvely ID targets so you don’t shoot friendlies. STAY PUT, let badguy come to you as you call for backup.
2) Redefine the word LOCKED, because that’s not what was going on there.
3) Lock up gun, knives, ropes, electronics, any liquid to drown in, windows, all pills, all cleaning supplies… Never mind, lock up person trying to kill themselves as EVERYTHING is dangerous
4) Don’t leave weapons accessible to children. When carrying, always use a holster that covers the trigger
5) Any weapon not in immediate control needs to be locked in a safe
6) See 5
In all cases of Negligent Discharges, people are at fault. The guns did what they were supposed to do. The people failed. None of these had to happen with the exception of 3, anyone who is determined to die, can and will.
Really, would anyone keep an unsheathed steak knife in their coat pocket? That scenario just gets me mad thinking about the stupidity involved.
Not quite, on 3. With many other methods of suicide it is possible to interrupt the process. Someone drowning can possibly be removed from the pool and resuscitated, someone overdosing can be treated by a hospital, etc. Most likely, you shoot yourself in the head, you’re dead immediately. No chance for anyone to stop you. I don’t go for that.
I believe, though I’m not qualified to make a court appearance on it, that when someone does ‘attempt’ suicide and are interrupted, it’s usually what they call a ‘cry for help’ meaning that they knew (or at least hope) that someone would see them and stop them.
I could probably list 50 ways to kill yourself without drawing any attention until it’s too late.
But that’s not really my point, my point was if people were responsible for the things they are supposed to be responsible for, most of those problems wouldn’t exist. Heck, most of the world’s problems wouldn’t exist either!
Daddy should have taught his kid about gun safety. Since I was a few years old, I went out hunting with my dad. He taught me all about gun safety. He enrolled me in Eddie Eagle, an NRA (yes, they’re helping to keep kids safe) course designed to teach kids about gun safety. Point being, I was raised around guns and I never shot a friend, it all comes down to the parent. The one with the 4 year old, daddy should have put his gun away right away. When my Dad comes home and if he carried his gun that day (which you need a license for where they teach you safety) he puts his gun away right away. also, you can get guns with a safety in case you didn’t know.
That’s freedom for you. You’re free to do what you want.
But, when someone breaks into your house, what would you do?
Usually the response time for police in most areas are around 5-15 minutes. Enough time for a bad guy to do harm. How are you going to defend yourself, plead? Beg for mercy? Most criminals are not stupid enough to break into a house without a weapon. You’re going to defend yourself unarmed, hand to hand combat against someone with a weapon?
Make your shotgun accessible to YOU! …. and anyone else with eyes and the ability to reach objects a foot off the ground.
Erm… it’s hidden under blankets and sheets and stuff…
Completely ignoring the gun holding intentions of this thing, I keep thinking of what will happen when you get out of bed in the morning. I can just see those hooks scraping up the side of your leg. Not a nice way to wake up.
May we have some new fail now? Ive seen this crap like twice already.
This was the last one of the day. Unless they give us a bonus fail.
Epic WIN in my house.
Americans reaaaaally needs to relax.
Actually, having a gun is kinda relaxing. If you live in a dangerous area, would you sleep easier with a gun, or without one?
After getting my own gun, I realized that gun ownership has an interesting psychological effect. Guns no longer appear as menacing. You feel more confident in your ability to look after yourself. You stop wondering what you should do if someone were to break into your house, and start wondering what you *shouldn’t* do.
Guns are power, and power is peace of mind.
This is a great example of how most people think in this country. Americans are motivated by fear above all things. I should know. I work for an ad agency. Noodles, you are the perfect target demographic for the ad in the video. Do you own this product yet?
Civil discussion fail.
Logic fail.
For someone like Noodles, gun = penis substitute.
If you work for an ad agency then you should know by now that fear is pretty much the basic motivator for everyone, regardless of nationality.
Fear of being out of the loop or uncool, fear of being hungry, fear of being unhealthy, fear of being unattractive to the opposite sex, fear of humiliation, fear of dying alone, fear of fear itself. Americans are by no means alone in this.
I guess this is the last time I sneak into bed with my uncle…for shame.
I use to play safety on my defense
Definately a win. Nothing fail about this. You don’t even need to load the gun, just the sound a shotgun racking will scare away an intruder.
Personally, I wouldn’t count on it. When Mossy comes out, “scare someone” isn’t on my mind, “defend my life” is.
Lol, the sound of the shotgun racking CAN and DOES intimidate plenty of attackers, but that’s because you have just racked a hailstorm of projectiles into a weapon that has their name on it.
The sound warns that death may not be far away, and now would be a good time to reprioritize entering the next room, vs turning tail and saving it. The sound itself is not something to rely on.
Coming soon the pillow knife holster.
Is your gun too far away from you, would you like to sleep with greater security, then order the pillow knife holster now, fits into any standard pillow case, buy now.
um…. where is the fail? wouldn’t that come in handy if someone broke into your house?
Youāre an American, right?
Maybe because you shouldnāt shoot someone who comes to your house??
na, just do what they do in england, Spike pit trap.
The “fail” is that these Liberal weenies think that if you don’t have guns then neither will the bad guys. So, all you have to do is force everyone to be super nice to everyone else and wish really hard and hope with all your might, and the bad people will magically become super nice too and not pop your brains out all over your pillow to steal your grandmother’s engagement ring and buy their next teenther.
Fail is not being prepared… how is this not a win? Gun’s aren’t for everyone…. don’t arbitrarily tell me what solution isn’t right for my home!
Fail is not being preparedā¦ how is this not a win? Guns arenāt for everyoneā¦. donāt arbitrarily tell me what solution isnāt right for my home!
You have to understand the mind of these fascists; they think they know what’s good for you better than you do.
That’s why you can’t smoke in bars, you have to wear a helmet to ride your bike and they want to make you give your guns to the police.
Hah! I just called myslf a facist to point out the absurdity of this constant name-calling. I scroll a little and …ta-daaa… fascists!
Mussolini: We are all now fascist!
Italians: Uhh, okay! *Rides off on moped* Ciao.
If you didn’t have a gun, The king of England could come into your house and start pushing you around! Would you like that?
The Queen once did that to me. I wasn’t amused.
The entire band?!
Well, maybe not Mercury, but the rest of them can be vicious!
Nice and sticky! Oh, you said vicious, not viscous. My bad.
One would have to be slow as molasses to not catch that joke!
Did AE do the fandango?
Shoot the corgis!
Deface a fiver and eat a swan.
“Oh, you’re a plumber? What on earth is that?”
“Are you a royal member? Well, then you can marry me ācause you’re same gene pool, and our IQs will go down the toilet. Fantastic!”
“They’re all frumpy, aren’t they?”
“Oh…it’s the Queen!”
The best part: āā¦for each side of the bed.ā. Because itās not enough to shoot the guy who comes into your house. No you have to be able to shoot each other!
If only they would actually shoot each other. Then the world would be a better place.
Have you ever seen riot footage, or footage of an area struck by a natural disaster where people decide it’s okay to kill and steal?
Surprisingly enough guns can be used for more than deterring burglars while the cops are on their way.
I’m guessing that survival isn’t anywhere near the top of your list of priorities.
But then again, I do think about natural selection, and I try to apply it in a broader sense than you are.
Besides, it doesn’t take much practice to have both people grab weapons, rack them and get in defensive positions all the while keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction/ toward the threat.
In some people’s eyes, anyone who owns a gun is crazy, until bad things happen, and then all of a sudden that crazy person is a prepared person, and a good ally.
JMO of course!
Man, you really live in a dangerous place! Especially if we consider the possible dangers.
Everyone lives in a dangerous place if you think about it. Relatively, my area is pretty darn safe. Most people are just happy enough to not think about possible bad scenarios.
Hurricane Katrina was a big rainstorm, that’s all. Had people trying to kill each other over milk and cookies because there was no food. Are you prepared for a big rainstorm? I’m not, but I’m working on it in little bits and pieces.
Really, everywhere could be a dangerous place, especially anywhere close to a metropolitan area. Bombs, dirty bombs, a public trial where cops get a slap on the wrist and lots of the general population freaks out. My point is, I don’t know what will happen, nor when. But if it really only costs a few hundred bucks and some training time to be able to defend my loved ones if anything bad happens, then why not.
What if I didn’t bother, but some terrorist decides to blow up something in the city near which I live? Sorry honey, we will probably die because I didn’t think ahead to prepare for something that would have been easy enough to predict.
I think that comment highlightes a problem: Americans are scared. I don’t quite understand why, because you had to face far less catastrophes (especially man-made catastrophes) than Europe, but you are. Maybe the cartoon explanation in “Bowling for Columbine” indeed explains why.
I live in a relatively large city and used to live in the part of my city with the highest crime rate by far – redlight district and party zone in one. Not for a second I thought about getting a gun and it was never necessary – and I was never scared that it might be. Of course, my city is also a potential target for terrorists, but I still don’t see the necessity to buy a gun. If they set off a bomb, me owning a gun wouldn’t stop them (9/11 happened to your country, despite it’s so heavily armed. Same for McVeigh and other incidents).
A large river runs through my town and we have tide. That of course means that there’s a danger for floods. If one happens (and some decades ago we had a very deadly flood), I still wouldn’t need a gun, because I’m certain that people would be helping each other rather than shooting each other. I’m certain about that because that’s how things are done in my country when shit happens – we’re having accidents and smaller catastrophes like other nations, but whenever and where ever that happened, guns weren’t necessary.
Very well said. And I totally agree. I certainly don’t believe that because a rare few people in my country own guns (illegally of course) that I better rush out and buy one to be on equal footing and prepared. I just don’t spend my days expecting to be a target, and therefore don’t feel the need to protect myself.
Besides, I’m certain that a sure fire (excuse pun) way to convince an armed ‘man’ to shoot you is to show ‘him’ that you too have a gun, and that you too, therefore, pose a threat.
On the plus side, this is probably safer than keeping the gun under your pillow. On the down side this would be a bad idea if you have kids in the house…
i dont get how this is a fail… its not blatantly unsafe? its no less safe than having it in a closet… i dont get it.
It’s a hit piece from the anti-freedom left.
Wackos on the left and right both have their share of anti-freedom tendencies. Has nothing to do with left of right, and more to do with an irrational need to inflict your way of thinking/life upon others.
āŖ We’re…stuck in the middle with fools āŖ
Intruder enters the home in the middle of the night, slowly and methodically making his way towards the master bed room, this veteran intruder is careful to not wake the residents who are sound asleep. Wise beyond his years, he takes off his shoes and puts on his slippers just before entering the master bedroom. Walking past the foot of the bed he makes his way to the drawer where the wife keeps all her jewelry. When suddenly he steps on a loose wood floor panel. Uh oh. Gun rack raddles and BAM! The intruder in extreme pain immediately realizes his mistake, he should have never bought that second gun rack for his wifes side of the bed.
WIN!
OT
Ha ha! Who wants love advice from a call girl? (clickie)
I think I’ll pass. She might have good tips for … other … things though!
This one seriously made me laugh so hard! The idea just seems ludicrous. But I can see how it will sell papers.
Its a hard job she has at hand. I wish her the best of luck because shes going to get a lot of scrutiny for her work and she better not take it while laying on her back anymore
I bet it’s mostly questions like “how can I tell if my man is cheating?”
call girls answer “whats his name? ill check my sources”
*snork!*
The odds of an accidental death using this product >>> odds of preventing the death of a loved one using it.
FAIL!
That’s simply not true. Take out *illegal guns* and the trend reverses.
I’d be interested in a link if you can find one, Nick.
That’s simply not true. We are not talking about illegal guns that more than likely will be used with intent. We are talking about access to a legal firearm when in a disoriented state (Waking up to a noise or dream).
Fail!
According to wikipedia, there’s about 300 million americans, so more than 1/3 have guns?
Yes. In fact, since so many guns are legal but unregistered, it is hard to know for sure how many guns are around. There are probably about 100 million legal gun owners. There are probably less than 100,000 illegal gun owners.
You can tell which side gets the press. :-/
“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future!”
Adolf Hitler 1935
This is why gun control is a fail
You don’t seem to trust US democracy…
That’s why we have guns.
Wikipedia also claims there are over 190 million guns in circulation in America.
I looked to see if I could post a smug comment about being British, and not having to think of such issues, however, my research *google* shocked me. 18000 incidents a year in the UK, and it is estimated that Britians have access to an estimated 4m guns in general cirulation.
I myself have never seen a gun, or have any interest in owning one, but how long will this stay my opinion?
NOT a fail. FailBlog.org shows its true colors.
Lightening strike yellow? Or is it biker grey?
Puce!
That’s it!
Pomegranate and puce!
Oh, so that’s puce.
Americans FAIL
Brain fail.
“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future!”
Adolf Hitler 1935
Youre right Nick, I always thought FailBlog.org should be written in magenta
If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk, and utensils make people fat.
i agree with the pencils and utensils part of your analogy but I believe alcohol is at fault for the drunk driving bit. And yes alcohol is a very dangerous product like guns but its hard to deny that they arent fun when you combine the two.
You agree pencils misspell words, utensils make people fat, and you find it “hard to deny” it’s not fun to shoot guns while drunk? *scoootch*
have you ever heard of a fat person who didnt use utensils or a misspelled word that didnt come from a pencil (outside of comps, phones and pens) The product is what gives us the ability to perform a certain action. The difference is, guns similar to alcohol give the consumer(thats you) the ability to harm others (thats the innocent little girl you just ran over or shot or both). So yes I agree, guns kill people just like my middle finger flicks people off.
The huge problem with this analogy that you compare two objects that may perform an incorrect task, but cannot be life threatening, save for the drunk driving. You can erase a mistake. You can diet. But if you fire a gun, there’s no knowing what kind of damage that single bullet could do. Just remember, the First World War was sparked by one shot.
The issue isnt that there arent solutions to the problems caused by the product, the issue is that innocent people’s safety is in the hands of the consumer of said product. Its not about guns per se, its about the product’s ability to harm innocent people while in the possession of the consumer. When you have a product with this potential you have to create strict laws to protect people. Guns are the most extreme case because its very purpose (in origin at least) is to kill or injure another living being which is compounded by the fact that it serves no purpose but that of sport in civilian life.
Yes, and sometimes these “strict laws” don’t work, mainly due to the fact that complete maniacs can come into possession of these weapons. Remember Colombine High? Virginia Tech? Here in the UK, they’ve banned the possession of firearms, because the government has learnt its lesson from the Hungerford massacre, when Michael Ryan killed 14 people in the town of Hungerford, with an Ak47 of all weapons, before killing himself. These people exist, and until we learn how to keep weapons from being used by swivel eyed maniacs like Michael Ryan, guns will never be safe.
OUTLAW COOKING UTENSILS!!!!!
How many people get killed with steak knives every year in violent crimes? (probably more than accidental gun deaths per year, which looking a few sources around the toobs, look like between 1100 and 1300 per year)
Steak knives are designed by their very nature to cut muscle and fat (that’s what people are made of!)
Part of my civilian life is the protection of my family, by whatever means are practical and effective. But that’s just my feelings.
Everyone should do what they feel is best for them, but I encourage trying to look at the other side of the argument too.
Found out two interesting things: 1. Homicide with handguns in the US leads to round about 10.000 deaths each year. Of course you have to add accidents, mistakes, suicides and self defense to those ifyou want the total number for gun-related deaths in the US.
2. I qoute Wikipedia “Between 1987 and 1990, David McDowall found that guns were used in defense during a crime incident 64,615 times annually. This equates to two times out of 1,000 incidents (0.2%) that occurred in this time frame”.
Interesting, isn’t it?
Good ol statistics. Like finding a needle in a haystack.
I posted a nice long detailed comment about this earlier, but it said it had to be approved by a moderator (I think it’s because there was a hotlink in there)
Basically I found some good info from this page, who sites all his sources and does a pretty thorough job with presenting the data.
Now obviously this is from a pro-gun website, but it’s not nasty or anything, it looks like he is just trying to present the facts.
the site is (reformat this like a real web address) http actionamerica.org/guns/gun-web-widget. shtml
It’s a HUGE difference in the guns used in defense per year, so I’m not sure what the deal is with that. Sometime if I have the time, I’ll go through all the source material and try to figure it out.
Interesting Stats: (change every day)
Accidental Gun Death: 611
Gun Homicide: 12.192
Gun Suicides: 16,088
Falling deaths: 19,850
Trafic deaths: 43,367
Poison deaths: 35,524
Guns used in self defense: 2,311,816
Some more interesting stuff:
In less than 8% of those self-defense cases will the citizen will even wound his attacker.
Almost 10% of those self-defense cases are women defending themselves against sexual assault or abuse
armed citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals every year as do police (1,527 to 606). In a related article titled, “Are We a Nation of Cowards’?” in the November 15, 1993 issue of Newsweek Magazine, George Will reported that police are more than 5 times more likely than a civilian to shoot an innocent person by mistake.
A 1979 Carter Justice Department study found that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32% were actually committed. That number dropped to only 3% when the woman was armed.
Of all accidental deaths, accidental gun deaths totaled only 642 or about one-half of one percent (0.5%) of all accidental injury deaths.
In that article, criminologist Marvin E. Wolfgang, who has researched guns and violence for more than 25 years. Wolfgang is one of the country’s most outspoken opponents of private gun ownership states:
“I am as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among the criminologists in this country. If I were Mustapha Mond of Brave New World, I would eliminate all guns from the civilian population and maybe even from the police.”
Those are certainly not the views of your ordinary anti-gun type. This is a man who represents the ultimate in anti-gun philosophy. But to his credit as a researcher, he was not so proud that he would deny the excellent methodology employed by Kleck and Gertz. He went on to say:
“What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator… I have to admit my admiration for the care and caution expressed in this article and this research.”
Wolfgang concludes by saying:
“The Kleck and Gertz study impresses me for the caution the authors exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodologically. I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well.”
Ok, I agree alcohol encourages bad decisions and access to guns encourages dangerous misuse, but I’m just lost as to how you think the product is to blame for a pencil encouraging poor spelling and that if fat people didn’t have forks they’d be thin.
Ah, nevermind.
Fork it!
“Fork me gently with a chainsaw. Do I look like Mother Teresa?!”
You blow it tonight, girl, and it’s keggers with kids all next year.
Ugh… such a pillowcase.
Did that sound b!tchy?
Hell yeah, I want one of these!
You won’t see this as a fail during a home invasion.
Seems like a fake commercial really.
The voice is choppy and seems copy and pasted together.
You can totally tell by the pistols, I’ve seen a few shots in my time.
you know they have come out with some other pretty cool products in the last decade to protect yourself from home invasion, none that are as innovative as this but a stun gun does work pretty well and its also fun and sometimes less messy to use when youre drunk.
And now! THE NUKE-HOLDER! for only 59.99 you can keep your nukes in your car without anyone seeing it!
Already do.
*wanders off whistling*
My life for you.
*Rides away in a cart towing a nuke*
yea, this isn’t a FAIL….it’s actually kind of clever. Simple yet clever.
what’s FAIL is some of the drawn-out yapping…errr…I mean comments above.
AWESOME!! I WANT ONE!!
Yes, I say we should ALL get guns. After, all you might never know who owns a gun and wants to have your possessions; you wouldn’t want to find yourself in a weaker position, would you? We will then all be equal in killing power and we won’t fear each other anymore.
And then, in the next step towards civilization, we will ALL buy anti-bullet vests and sleep in them at night and possibly wear them on the street as a fashion accessories. After, all you might never know who owns a gun AND a vest and wants to have your possessions; you wouldn’t want to find yourself in a weaker position, would you? We will then all be equal in killing and self-protection power and we won’t fear each other anymore.
And then, in the next step towards civilization, we will ALL buy grenades and and hold them next to our bed at night. After, all you might never know who owns a gun, a vest AND grenades and wants to have your possessions; you wouldn’t want to find yourself in a weaker position, would you? We will then all be equal in killing and self-protection power and we won’t fear each other anymore. That should put everyone’s mind to peace.
Nothing more soothing than the idea of a world militia. *dreaming eyes*
Almost correct, only the bad guys should have guns. Civilians should leave their doors unlocked, or better yet, put their valuables out on the lawn at night.
I’d much rather live in a state of fear than try to attempt to protect myself. After all rape is really cool right?
You should visit Canada or Europe some day. We leave our doors unlocked all the time. Because we don’t fear armed “bad guys” will invade us like the whole world is a Hollywood cowboy movie.
I don’t have a gun because I don’t live in a state of fear. The clearest proof of fear is getting a gun claiming you need it to protect yourself.
And rape is totally off-topic.
That’s why In Europe you’ll be part of the Caliphate sooner rather than later.
While in Canada it’s like two hour’s drive to go rob anyone who has enough to be worth stealing from.
What good stems from not locking your doors? Do you have a 0% Breaking and Entry rate? Obviously no, especially if you live in a city. That comment and mentality is horribly asinine.
How is rape off topic? Your completely facetious post clearly states that to be safe, you should have a tactual advantage over an attacker. Circle the best choice that is NOT true:
A: Rape is a violent attack
B: Rape is usually committed by a larger person using force against a smaller person
C: Rape can be deterred by using force
D: A firearm provides easily accessible force
E: Trust that the police will arrive before anything bad happens
Interesting reading about the UK gun ban and its effects:
http: //www.kc3.com/CCDW_Stats/what_you_dont_know. htm
Lots of (unverified by me) references at the bottom.
I did a google of the following words
crime rate in uk
lots of really interesting articles
The idea I want to put forward is that USA have developed a culture of fear that is used as fuel to justify keeping guns around at home and, in extenso, as a frame for foreign policy.
My view in those lines was that a gun doesn’t resolve fear, it only feeds it, by keeping alive the concept of a potential enemy as long as you own the means to take life in a split second.
Sure, one should always be cautious. But as cautious as to give everyone a gun?
You want to know some countries that have civilians carrying guns on the streets? Here goes: Palestine, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Algeria, Congo, Zaire, Namibia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Peru, Somalia, Uganda, Uzbekistan.
The claim that one needs to keep an advantage over the [presumed] attacker was ironical. My point was that you enter a vicious circle. Check History, chapter Cold War.
Rape as related to guns wasn’t implied at any point during the discussion and your reference to it was not clear. Anyone might as well say “Violence in schools is really cool, right?”. It’s difficult to take such a statement as an argument in the discussion. That’s why it was off-topic.
No, rape isn’t cool. But the rate of these acts makes it a poor argument in favor of keeping an article in the Constitution providing the right (and somehow the implied need) to hold lethal weapons in every home.
Except for the fact that it’s not uncommon for the rapists to have guns. Take it from someone who’s been there, attempting to use force to get out of that particular situation can be deadly, to the victim. I’m not saying the victim should just “take it”, but that there are other, more effective ways, to get oneself out of that situation.
How is having the ability to defend oneself a failure? Scenario: Somebody breaks into your home while you’re asleep. You wake up and realize there’s a criminal — who may or may not be armed — in your home. “Oh, please, mister Bad Guy; don’t try to kill me until I go to the safe, unlock it, remove my shotgun, remove its safety lock, unlock the ammunition cabinet, load my shotgun…” An unloaded and an inaccessible firearm is a useless firearm. This product is a win… an EPIC WIN.
My home. My right to defend myself. My responsibility to defend those in it.
It’s not about the ability to defend oneself. It’s about the ability to kill another human being in an instant in civil context and questioning the need for a state law enforcement body (police) in this case.
If there were only taser-guns available for the population, then this debate would probably never take place.
All the best.
How many police do you know who have superspeed? The police are good for cleaning up AFTER the crimes, but they almost never prevent them.
Personally, I’d rather my wife be able to shoot the home invader than have the police capture him while I have to bury her.
I guess the civil war never ended in some places…
All cops now have warp drives attached to their cars. In today’s world, someone breaks in your home to rob and kill the witnesses, all you have to do is hold 9 on your cell phone. 2 seconds before they pull the trigger the cops burst through your bedroom wall yelling “Ohhh YEAH!!!” Kool-Aid style coming to the rescue!
“Thanks for your help officers! If you took more than that 4 seconds to get here they may have had time to pull that trigger! Ohh and thanks to Ford for their warp drive cars!”
How is this a FAIL? If anything it’s a WIN!!
Dammit! I invented one of these for a baseball bat two years ago after a break-in next door. I can’t believe I could have been a earning 40s of dollars.
PS Having you heard about Michael Jackson?
America, this is why we hate you.
*sigh*
I think that is someone just trying to start a fight.
That’s fine, but seriously, stay out of my house unless invited, k?
Why exactly is this a fail?
I’d buy one.
Nice rack.
*strikes a pose*
Why, thank you!
pssst Gracie not you the gun rack LOL.
Wonder if it comes stacked so I could have my choice of a shotgun or rifle?
If guns were ever legal in the UK, and this was ever on the market, London would be in anarchy within three days. I’m being completely serious.
Are you allowed to have hunting rifles ?.
No. The British government banned the private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons in 1987. This includes hunting rifles, but apparently, the Royal Family does not apply to this rule. Presumably because they are above the law, and can do what they please. But, no, you can’t have a rifle. Only an air rifle.
Wow, then who can hunt rabbits, deer, bears, boars. Is there people who can do that? wild game?. I think of fox hunts when I think of U.K. what about this situation.?
Ah, well fox hunts have been banned for quite some time, and it has been a contentious issue. Of course, the aristocracy really do want to kill innocent animals with rifles, and are still trying to get the ban repealed. But, no, you can’t hunt rabbits or deer with guns. Only the Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh and their relations can.
All I going to say is thats not right. Do you have alot of rabbits then? etc.. deer etc..
Thats all I am saying.
Why? It’s the animals’ right to live! What good comes from senselessly killing animals for pleisure?
Do you have ground hogs?
Are you a vegetarian GBF? if so didn’t mean to offend you.
Hunting for some is a right of passage.
There is no pleasure in killing but necessary for control of an environment,in which humans have upset the fragile balance.
Some religion says they where put on earth here for our purpose.
I respect the animal spirits and trying to understand what they try and teach me.
What keeps the deer population down? In the midwest they can’t kill enough of them during hunting season. They are everywhere. Not so here in the Northwest.
Well someday we (the U.S.) may have to bail them and the rest of Europe out again.
Yes, the nanny state in the UK is of legend. Unfortunately when an entire society is treated like children, as soon as the parents aren’t looking they start acting up.
You should check out some of the more mature societies, that don’t need nannies, or parents for that matter. You know, Congo, Nepal, Somalia and so on. Everything is so much more peaceful there.
Let’s see how that is NOT a very useful comparison.
Congo – ongoing war despite “official peace”
Nepal – civil war ended a few years ago
Somalia – civil war ongoing
I’d be willing to bet that things aren’t quite so peaceful as you cleverly quipped because of all the WARS. Can you find me a country that is fighting a war on it’s home turf that’s peaceful? You can even go back before modern day firearms were invented, go ahead.
Folks have been killing each other over differences for quite some time. Usually, it seems religious beliefs.
Want to list any countries that don’t have WARS going on that don’t put heavy restrictions on privately owned weapons? That might actually give us good info for this debate.
You’ve missed the point.
I was purposely giving examples of countries that have a shabby internal equilibrium with little government control, to illustrate the alternative to a “nanny state”.
Nevertheless, your inquiry may prove to be good info, indeed – countries that don’t have wars going that don’t put heavy restrictions.
Let’s see, we have Norway and Finland (but they use them almost exclusively for hunting; a license for self defense is almost never accepted, so not sure these two really count);
and then there would be Switzerland (but which, unfortunately, has the second highest rate of suicide by shooting in the world – first is USA – and also has the highest rate of domestic violence using guns in Europe);
and finally South Africa (but which has the second highest violent crime rate in the world and has recently passed laws for a tighter control).
Let me know if you find these examples good enough info.
USA is currently at war, so it doesn’t go in the list.
Oh, and try not to take things too personally, really. We’re debating ideas and principles, not each other’s egos. Cheers!
I forgot about Brazil, which also has the right to bear arms provided in their Constitution and has no wars going.
Unfortunately, although it has 100 million fewer citizens than the United States, there are 25 percent more gun deaths than in the US.
Wow. Three days? London must be lousy with ‘tards then.
I’ll buy two. One for me, and one for my mom. Since we’re in Cali, we’ll probably have riots and looting when people realize what’s being done to us fiscally by the politicians. I want my mom to be safe. She knows how to shoot, and she’s not afraid to kill someone who breaks into her home. Now, if only we can make it easier for people defending their homes to sue both the families and the estates of criminals who are killed in self defense.
The only gun control that works is hitting what you shoot at.
I see nothing wrong with this. Can someone tell me why having your gun in a easy to get place to defend yourself is a fail. Also I don’t understand why some people hate America because it grants their people the right to bear arms.
How do you get “hate America” out of any of this!?
The comments that say this is why they hate America.
Although I agree maybe you haven’t been subject to the wonderful discussion happening above. It seems that there are those in the US who feel that our right to bear arms in the manner that best suits us is well… out of date. They feel that our reliance on local and federal government should be the norm and anyone who steps out of that norm is a failure. Please join the diverse opinions above with name calling and fake statistics and don’t forget feelings.
I did not do any name calling I am only going by the wonderful discussion happening above.
Also when seconds count the police are about 10 mins away
How is this a fail?
THIS HOLDS MY BOOMSTICK!!!!!!!
I’ve always wanted a bumper sticker that said, “my other car is a broomstick.”
They sell these at S-Mart.
Do they have a chainsaw holder for the other side of the bed?
It’s a trick. Get an axe.
Win @ the army of darkness references
Act now, and get a free spittoon with every purchase!
I love this bigoted mode of thinking. Reminds me of a quote.
“So itās not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who arenāt like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Go ahead and say it. All of us out here that believe in the 2nd amendment are beer toting rednecks that go to white supremacist churches and shoot at anything that moves.
Some of us don’t think that way but, wonder way everyone needs a gun and its their right. Without training or back ground checks or trigger locks etc… like here in Canada.
How are you supposed to defend yourself in a situation where seconds count with a freaking trigger lock???
Does the guy breaking into your home have a trigger lock?
Thank you for anally penetrating my joke.
Now see? No one said that all of you who believe that the second amendment serves the purpose you say it does are any of those things. You seem to think that if we’re not with you, we’re against you. It simply isn’t that way. But you seem to think that.
We simply disagree with you.
Actually, that quote comes from our president…
Yeah, seriously.
Joke or not it was a bigoted comment even if you can’t see that. It lumped a whole bunch of different people into a group and demeaned them. This approach only seems to be appropriate today when you attack someone who is not progressive. Any other joke insinuation or insult and the person is a hater.
this is a win, not a fail!
I think we should ban the word “sheeple.”
Am I bitter? Am I religious? I think I need one of these things!
I’m neither biitter nor religious.
I’ll take three.
Would you be able to use this if someone came at you with a point-ed stick?
For that you better use the banana strapped to your leg.
Or even better, release the tiger.
Vewy well, we will welease woger!
*5 eags puts a marshmallow on the end of pointy stick*
Shut up!
And now for something completely different. . .
*squeeze*
It’s…
who?
Excellent gift idea, for when the Zombie Apocalypse starts!
We’ll let ZA know so he can be prepared to defend himself.
Bill Hicks is rolling in his grave.
I presume only we Europeans find it strange that everyone may shoot other people ā¦
… we’re much too busy shooting ourselves?
Didn’t find it strange in WW II.
To all those who suggest that the second amendment is obsolete because it was written a long time ago…
I remind you that the first amendment is on the same page, and therefore must be equally obsolete. Certainly the founding fathers had also never heard of that crap you listen to on the radio, and your loony nutball philosophy that passes for “religion.”
Throw one out, you have to throw the other out too.
If I’m not entitled to my right of self defense, you’re not entitled to your right to speak.
So shut the hell up.
I didn’t say it was obsolete. I said that the meaning of it has been twisted away from it’s original intention…which is irrefutable fact.
Depends… are you speaking as a student of English, or of History, or of neither?
I mean, the operative clause is pretty short and hard to deny: “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” That’s pretty hard to misinterpret, though people have managed to do so consistently for decades.
The intent? Well, there’s self-defense, and then there’s being able to do something about it if the Fundies or the Nazis (or their opposite numbers on the left) ever manage to start taking over like they did in other democracies. Then you can shoot them if you disagree.
That’s not hard either.
Maybe it’s just me, but the sentence “Then you can shoot them if you disagree” makes me a little nervous. Especially when it’s said by someone who owns guns and disagrees with me.
I think I’ll get me a gun.
*Another sigh*
Your operative clause is incomplete. It reads:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Leaving out the first half of the amendment changes its meaning.
The operative clause is the second half. Leaving off the first half doesn’t change the meaning of the operative clause. It means what he thinks it means. Read our Keller decision.
My view is that the right to bear arms was quite clearly related to the need to form a Militia in those times of distress. The new-born nation was still young and people needed to know they can form a resistance force should the events take an ugly turn.
But more than 200 years have passed since then. We all thought USA has evolved a bit since then.
Is USA still in its birth process? An everlasting Wild West?
And by the way, Hitler was democratically elected, he didn’t “take over” anything. From what I understand from your last paragraph, you justify carrying guns by stating that in case you don’t agree with the principles of your democratically-elected government, you have the guns just in case there’s some good weather for a revolution.
…can’t….resist…
Hitler got a majority, but not the 50% required for his plans to change the constitution. He formed a coalition – still not enough. Then he imprisoned the members of the communist party et voila – over 50%. So it was both, a normal democratic election and taking over.
Point taken, but it was still not a coup d’etat as slaggingham implied. You can’t have that kind of a leader in power without a large part of the nation already believing in him. Therefore, Nazis can’t just parachute from the skies and set dictatorship like switching channels on TV.
That’s true, but the events after Jan. 30th, 1933 still had both aspects in them, election and coup d’etat. It was illegal to simply forbid elected members of a party to execute their duties as MOP, it was also illegal to throw them into prisons for no reason other than the party they belonged to. And it was also illegal to torture and kill many of them.
Not being facetious, but it sounds like a good time for the whole country to be armed so that they could have a chance to stop that stuff before it got WAAAAAY out of hand and the whole world had to step in.
Then again, hindsight being what it is, that’s pretty easy to say
About 50% elected Hitler or partys that wanted to assist him. After three years, the vast majority of people were pro-Hitler (estimates vary since you can’t trust the elections back then, but at the heigth of his personal popularity we’re surely talking about more than 80%, maybe more than 90%).
Apart fom that, several attempts to kill him were made, military conspiracys (they had guns) as well as people acting on their own. Hitler was a VERY lucky bastard to have survived all of them.
So please, if you’re arguing about gun control, leave Hitler out of your arguments. It just doesn’t fit.
Interesting, I didn’t know that. History is not my forte.
While I’d like to leave Hitler out of damn near anything I can, it’s hard to argue that his stance on TOTAL gun control sure made it easier to implement some of the atrocities that he did.
An unarmed populace is much easier to govern.
At some point his popularity must have tanked pretty bad considering it wasn’t just the suppressed races that were getting as far away as they could. But like I said, I don’t really do the history thing.
I really do the history thing, all the time.
The sad part is that most of what he did was popular for most of the time. Gun control or not, he did many things, including some of his atrocities, with general agreement of the German people.
Apart from that, I checked the facts. The German gun control law was from 1928, so years before Hitler came to power. The Nazis just changed one thing: Jews in general shouldn’t be allowed to have guns (with some exceptions). For the rest of the population relatively strict laws applied, but there was NO total gun control in the Third Reich. That would have been highly unpopular, since shooting clubs have a very long tradition in Germany – and Hitler backed off from anything highly unpopular while he was in charge.
And I hope they break into your house instead of mine so they won’t have any trouble. I personally choose to have the option to spread little criminal bits all over my walls.
You’re an anxious person.
Unless I am mistaken, I believe you have just used the fallacy of composition.
(There are many fallacies of composition, sweets…this one was the fallacy of “similitude”…taking two very different things and saying they are the same.)
So because one still makes sense, automatically the other does too? Now I KNOW I’m on failblog when I encounter massive fails in logic like this
Hmm…I like you. You going to stick around for a while?
Ha! I comment sparingly and when I feel strongly about something. Especially when some nutter tries to tell me about my own country’s (New Zealand) gun laws.
Most of the time I’m just an observer of all the fails here
I’d be more concerned about wetas if I were you…
Gee…… never saw THIS exchange coming when the original Fail was posted…..
Sigh.
$50 to the guy who brings me this troll’s severed hands.
Chk-Chk BANN!
Yeah baby… got that one while I was lying down… good thing I had me my handy-dandy shotgun in The Back Up!
That just makes me think of Steve Burns with a shotgun.
I’m not quite sure I understand the fail here. Just FAIL Blog’s liberalism showing again, perhaps?
I don’t think I’ve ever been prouder to live in a liberal democracy like NZ with it’s lack of fanatics. In all my life I have yet to see an armed NZ police officer in real life (I do see the Armed Offendors Squad on the television news once in a while – them being called out is still national news). Nor have I ever seen a handgun inside NZ in person (they are extremely rare and tightly regulated). I hope I never do
Opps – typo there. ‘Offendors’ should have been ‘Offenders’. I wish there was an edit function for posts – I’m a poor editor of my own writing, heh.
Hey, did you guys hear something? No? Me either.
Am I the only one here who knows that shotguns are NOT illegal for personal ownership in the UK??
Shh, there’s not guns at all in the UK!
Now just stop spreading that misinformation!
Great, now I just need silver filled shotgun cartridges and I’m all prepared for those pesky nighttime werewolf invasions.
(Well, all the zombie jokes were taken!)
If I recall, I think I saw somewhere that you CAN buy silver coated ammo… Try CheaperThanDirt . com
Product win. It does what it says and it makes sense.
Ant-gun wank in comments fail. Politics go on punditkitchen.
I think the government should use our money “TAX” and buy us one and a shot gun to put in it. Gun ownership should be a requirement. All people should have to take a course in safty and proficancy.
MORE GUNS LESS CRIME IS A FACT!! DC has the most gun laws and is the toughtest on gun ownership and they are the crime and murder capital of our great country.
As much as we have been comparing other countries, this is a STARK FACT in the USA.
The more ‘gun control’ the more violent crimes per capita.
If I was a criminal, I’d much rather do my violent acts in a place designated as a ‘no gun zone’ as there’s a lot less opposition and chances of me getting hurt.
On the other hand, I would NOT attempt to rob a supermarket in Texas.
Really not much of a fail… lame.
I’m so very glad I don’t live in the US. For every one good thing about the US or every cool person there, there seem to be ten nutcases who think guns and violence are the solution to everything.
I’d like to think it’s a case of the more vocal fanatics drowning out the sensible majority, but the more I hear and more I actively look, the clearer it becomes there _really are_ a shitload of nutters in the US. Worse – they seem to be actively condoned by many of the less fanatical.
Anyway – it all just makes me glad I live in New Zealand with sensible gun laws and where the majority abhor violence, rather than worship it. Rather than Americans being outraged (LOL) over some moronic celebrity’s boob slip, how about a little outrage at the culture of violence?
You had better pray you don’t have night terrors or sleep-walking issues. Better yet, stay the hell away from Ambien…and Napien.
Well, if you are from New Zealand, then you should know that you don’t need to register to buy and own a long gun, such as the one in the ad. Therefore, it is perfectly legal to do what is depicted in the ad in New Zealand.
In fact, gun laws in Auckland are significantly looser in than in New York, Chicago or Los Angeles. And did you know that there is one gun for every 4 people in New Zealand? I know it’s fashionable to insult America. But try to get your facts right.
I’m too impatient to wait for moderation. It’s too important to let you know you’re wrong.
You must be a licensed gun owner in NZ (removes URL that causes moderation – just google “New Zealand gun laws” and follow top result) and the law forbids you from storing firearms in such a fail way as above. Congrats on your ignorance, though.
No real need for moderation, he was mistaken in what he read. Certainly no need for throwing insults (either of you) as that still doesn’t help the discussion.
Cause of misunderstanding:
In America, one must Register some types of guns to Own them, and one must have a License to carry them on one’s person. (lots of little weird legalities come in to play with both of those things, but that’s the general rule)
So, I guess he read this:
“Registration is not required for “A Category” firearms, but firearms in any other category require both registration and a “permit to procure” before they are transferred.” — from your google result
And concluded that one may buy an A Category weapon without further ado.
What he missed was the Licensing process that your government uses to determine eligibility for owning a gun.
“Except under supervision of a licence holder, owning or using firearms requires a firearms licence from the police. The licence is normally issued, under the conditions that the applicant has secure storage for firearms, attends a safety lecture and passes a written test. The police will also interview the applicant and two references (one must be a close relative and the other not related) to determine whether the applicant is “fit and proper” to have a firearm. The applicants residence is also visited to check that they have appropriate storage for firearms and ammunition. Having criminal associations or a history of domestic violence almost always lead to a licence being declined.”
Which if I read that right, as long as I have a safe, two references, and a clean record than there is no reason I wouldn’t be able to buy a shotgun.
Further, reading into your laws: Arms Regulations 1992, reg.19, SS 2, SS B states:
keeping locked or immobilised and locked in the cabinet, container, receptacle, strongroom, display cabinet, or rack required by paragraph (a) every firearm which is on the holderās premises and which is not under immediate and personal supervision of the holder or some other holder of a firearms licence;
I get: if it’s not under your supervision, it has to be locked in the approved safe. Legalese writes things backwards just to be confusing.
I would argue that if I’m laying in bed, and my shotgun is within 2 feet of my person, I would satisfy the “immediate and personal supervision” section of that regulation. Thereby making this (silly little) product viable.
And, luckily, since I’d have an officer inspecting my home safe while I applied for the license, I could show him or her the set up and ask if it’s okay.
That’s just my interpretation, what do you think?
There are 4.3 million people in NZ, 1.1 million guns, but only 230,000 registered owners.
So either not everyone is registered, or your average owner has about 5 guns a pop.
This product could give new meaning to the term “Nocturnal emission”.
Um, this is a safety product WIN.
And I think the Supreme Court is a better interpreter of the Constitution than commenters on Failblog. The Supreme Court ruled in Heller v. District of Columbia that the 2nd amendment is an individual right, like all the other rights in the Bill of Rights.
I don’t see how this is a fail. This is a great idea for home defense. They also make similar rigs for handguns.
Remember: When there is a dangerous intruder in your house and seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Wow. Itās great to know that itās even easier for the folks to accidentally shoot their kids when theyāre up going to the bathroom in the middle of the night.
Got to love a country that allows loaded guns to be stored anywhere people like in their home, regardless of safety.
This is so NOT a fail!
“Buy one for each side of the bed!”
Does no one else see a potential problem here? It’s always the spouse, you know.
Reminds me of the poor taste joke I often hear out in the country when a gunshot is heard: “Just another domestic…”
But what if I want to use it to store some “toys”. Makes it easier to get to than the drawer.
Oh dear. The blog’s broken again.
Personally, I don’t find this as a fail.. I find it to be a win. This is The United States of America, everyone should own a gun, and should damn near sleep with one under their pillow at night, which is more or less what this awesome product promotes… AMERICA! F@#$ YEAH!
Stupid american. Your speach is the reason why your country has one of the highest rate of murder in the world. You are the fail redneck!
Excuse me? Please do tell how the two are related.
The spelling from your ‘speech’ is the bane of all existence. Stupid non-American.
Bigoted retards like you suck.
Are you actually unable to NOT insult? Or is that your hobby?
It was a compliment. “Bigoted retards like your suck”.
Wow – you’re like the alpha gun nut, aren’t you? Your post would almost be funny if it wasn’t so obviously serious in it’s intent and disturbing.
Once again: so glad I live in New Zealand!
Alpha Gun nut? Do you have any idea what happens when a populace is disarmed?
Yeah. Theres a lot less of murders stupid redneck
I’m a stupid redneck? It’s very amusing how you foreigners think all of us Americans have a Southern accent, drive pickup trucks, and drink Budweiser all day. Some of us, believe it or not, are intelligent individuals, who understand WHY the Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, and The United States Constitution was written. Don’t be so jealous that I’m free, and you’re a slave because you can’t own the ONE thing that decides your status. A FIREARM!
You cant be intelligent and love guns. Its like being american and socially advanced…Impossible.
If you think you need to own a weapon to remain free, perhaps there is something very wrong with your country?
Because we’ve not needed guns to protect our freedoms inside NZ, Australia or the UK (to give just three examples) in living memory. The only aggression we’ve ever faced is from without, not within.
We resolve our differences through our democratic processes and judicial systems. You know – without violence. No – _without_ violence. Ok, I’ll try and explain better – we no use guns. We vote and talk instead. No – _no_ guns. Talking. Yes – talking. No, _just_ talking. No guns at all. Radical concept I know.
History fail. WWII is in living memory for some.
Do I _actually_ need to explain the meaning of “inside” and “without”?
English comprehension fail *shakes head, appalled, but not surprised*
Peace will break out *5 eagles runs away screaming*
I repeat:
In all my life I have yet to see an armed NZ police officer in real life (I do see the Armed Offenders Squad on the television news once in a while ā them being called out is still national news). Nor have I ever seen a handgun inside NZ in person (they are extremely rare and tightly regulated). I hope I never do.
I’d add I’ve also never seen a semi-automatic (let alone an automatic) rifle in person inside NZ.
In other words: when you’ve a populace like NZ with very few accessible guns in urban areas, you get the peaceful urban environment I live in
But you would apparently want to fill it with guns? Please stay away from my country.
Yeah Wizzard. No guns!
Just out of curiosity, are your parents brother & sister? Oh, wait — you’re from New Zealand. At least one parent is a sheep.
You need a hug “a” ?
No idiot. UK, spain, germany, italy, netherlands have a really low rate of murder. AND, its strange that these countrys doesnt have a stupid retarded mind full of guns, nascar and big asses
Switzerland has lower crime rate and the government issues everyone a gun there.
Unfortunately the murder rate in the US falls along racial lines. About 50% of all murders are committed by African Americans while being less than 10% of the total population.
Whites, including rednecks, make up nearly 80% of the population while committing fewer murders total than the black population.
Its also worth noting that gun ownership rates in the US by race are about 50% of all white households own a gun, while only about 20% of all black households. This actually points toward increased gun ownership promoting fewer murders… with economic disparity, not gun ownership, being the driving force behind increased murder rates.
The murder rate among the US white population is actually not that much higher than typical European murder rates… shotgun bed racks and all included.
Generalization fail.. you sir are the king of fallacies.. nice work
When the New World Order comes to your country with mercenary forces to take you all away to the concentration camps and put chips in your arms, you’ll wish you had guns.
Ohhh… you really _are_ nuts. Not just gun happy and worshipping violence. But actually paranoid crazy. Okkkk… *backs away*
Sorry, you got to me too late. Rational thought and logic already have
primacy of place in my life. Better luck next time with your childish
superstitions
Maybe you should read a book
Well that’s a good idea since I AM a librarian
Perhaps you should get back on your meds? Or are they a tool of the New World Order to enslave you? Quick – grab your gun! They’re coming for you! RIGHT. NOW. RUNNNNNN!
Yeah, you only wish I was crazy… sad part is, I’m obviously more sane than you are… like I said, go read a book, or two, a couple hundred… obviously you’re more interested in being a slave.
MAybe you should start to think (if able to) like a modern guy and stop watching nascar with your beer in one hand and your gun in the other
I think you mean Fox News.
Try coming up with an original insult for once instead of relying on those ‘beer-swilling, NASCAR-watching’ chestnuts.
Zombie Preparedness WIN.
MMM…..Brains!!! Need…Squishy…..Sustainence!!!! *grrr*
*BANG* wrong bedroom pal…
i dont actually see how much of a fail it is actually, its more of a fail price
Only in America.
Don’t forget places like crime ridden Mexico and virtual warzones like Iraq! The US is in fine company…
I live in Mexico and doesnāt happened (I live in a little town in front of a lake) , maybe in the border with USA (and Big cities like Mexico City) but in the little townās and the majority of Mexico is so peaceful, so good for retirement.
I’m certainly glad to hear it doesn’t apply to your part of Mexico
It’s been sad to watch reports of increasing violence in other parts.
Mexico bans personal gun ownership but gangs with guns run the country. Logic fail.
Fortunately where you live the police have a 10 second response time
As a member of the NRA and a gun owner, I am absolutely shocked at how civil you people are in this discussion. Maybe Ill stop here instead of news sites to see the real pulse
All in all, it’s been a lot less of a flame fest than I thought it would.
Honestly, I’d like to thank everyone who has participated, as it’s been enjoyable and educational (for instance, I learned a little bit about NZ from wikipedia while looking up info I read here)
And I wan to thank you, even if you didn’t persuade me. I liked it that you tried without personal attacks.
Iwan? I think I have exposed myself as a soviet Russian…
Any relation to Iwana Tinkle?
The video was kind of funny. Maybe a fail, probably not. Who really needs one of those when a .45 pistol under the pillow is so much more accessable and easier to bring on target? The real fail is all this conversation.
Protecting your family and home is a fail? Last time I checked, we had a Constitutional right to own a firearm.
Someone needs to explain to me why so many people seem to think having a right means they MUST exercise it, regardless of good sense.
I swear they’re like children (and all too many adults lacking willpower and good sense…) at an all-you-can-eat buffet – so they do. It doesn’t matter that they don’t need to eat that much, and are probably (knowing the average American) already obese. They gorge themselves anyway.
What is being like children is expecting someone else to help you when you need it, instead of being able to take control of a given situation yourself.
“Mommy mommy, err I mean police!!! Send some cops over right away! My flat screen TV and all my children are being loaded up in a van out front right in front of my eyes and I am completely helpless! Please send mommy, I mean the cops, right away!”
Holy crap!
That’s a regular occurrence down there? Family being kidnapped right before your eyes?
AND your flat screen TV?
Mothera god… not the TV!
Please, by all means, stop exercising your right to speak. Few here will complain.
Your beliefs cannot withstand being challenged? That says it all, really…
Said by someone who can’t stand people thinking different than they do.
No, I just want you gun nuts to actually _think_. _Any_ thoughts are good. If you’re actually questioning your beliefs and assumptions for a change, then this is a Good Thingā¢. Even if you come to a different conclusion than I do, it’s still a far healthier process than just blindly embracing the culture of guns, violence and fear in the US.
I did think, and this is what I came up with. I would prefer to kill a criminal and live the rest of my life knowing that I had taken a life, than to risk them killing me or someone I love.
And yet I manage to live a peaceful life without ever having to contemplate killing anyone. Likewise almost everyone else in NZ, and plenty of other countries. Huh… Well I’ll be damned…
“And yet I manage to live a peaceful life without ever having to contemplate killing anyone.”
And I hope you never have to find out what it’s like to have to make that decision to save yourself by killing another who was determined to kill YOU.
But, the fact remains that a violent assault can happen to ANYONE at ANYTIME, ANYWHERE. While it may not be likely to happen to many people, when it does happen, the stakes are VERY HIGH (you will most likely be fighting for your life in such a situation).
It’s not paranoia or craziness,but prudence that dictates that it’s best to be prepared for the possibility because it will not happen with you being informed ahead of time, and, again, the stakes are high with such an episode. The cost of being defenseless can very well be your life.
Be armed, get trained, but hope you will never have to use such force.
BTW – what do “inside” and “without” mean again? Have you found out yet?
Yes, it means that you don’t realize soldiers can go inside homes as well.
So you think German or Japanese forces invaded NZ, Australia or the UK in WWII?
*MASSIVE HISTORY FAIL*
I’m sorry, but could you have made yourself look any stupider? I would recommend you run away now, and try to pretend you didn’t just publicly display your ignorance of history… again.
You know the lovely thing about these posts is they never go away…
Every spelling mistake and moronic babbling is captured. Even when Failblog ceases there will likely be copies in the various internet archive projects.
The average American is obese? What America are we talking about?
You’re right, only 26% of Americans are obese. I should have said the average American is _overweight_ (64% of adults). It’s still pretty gross and indicative IMO of a culture that has little self-restraint.
Now now. We Canucks are getting statisticall pretty chunky around the middle, too… it might be more accurate to say the average _North American_ is overweight…
And you DO know that all you’re doing is egging them on, right?
Why is it that you need to insult individuals that have a different viewpoint than you? That doesn’t make any sense to me
This is a win not a fail. Thank you second amendment!
I think the fail is the safety of the product. No one is questioning the second amendment.
Wow… americans…
Yes, we ARE that awesome.
nope dude i like europe better
What does it say in their anthem? The land of the fail?
I’ve never seen this commercial before. I assume it’s only shown in areas down south, where every household actually has a firearm. Which is something that does not apply evenly throughout the US.
Hell, it doesn’t even apply in the South, smart one.
Why not just keep your gun under the bed?
Because then we’d be making our arms easily accessible to boogeymen, and a full monster uprising wouldn’t be far behind.
This is brilliant. I wonder how many spouses are going to shoot each other while in a drowsy confusion?
Or beat each other in their sleep with the butts of the rifles…
Hehe… rifle butts.
I’m not against owning guns, but it’s pretty sad what lengths people will go to to keep their guns. And it seems a lot of people own one either just because they can and it makes them feel special or because they are completely paranoid and think the government in coming for them.
Not talking about all gun owners obviously, but this describes most I know.
Look i’v been to the US and i loved it great place great people, but god dam you guys need to sort your shit out that is messed up
i’ve been reading trough this blog and almost every pro-gun owner seems to think that an armed man could enter their house at any time…
ask yourself…why does a thief enter your house?
He doesn’t do it for fun i presume… he/she is probably unemployed, can’t find a job because of some time in jail or lack of education (probably both) but he/she still needs housing / food / etc… to live
in a system where you do not have proper social security, people like that tend to go out and steal… if in fact the system allows everyone to own a gun, it would be stupid for a thief to go out without one…and it would be stupid for an honest man/women not to own one for “protection”
if your governement would work on topics like education, social security, healthcare, etc… instead of spending god knows how much on the military, you guys would definately get smart enough and those guns would dissapear eventually
if that doesn’t happen… your country is doomed! (i would be happy to shelter some american political fugitives if it ever comes to this…after all you helped us in ’40-’45)
Thank you so much for realizing that many of us who live here are at the mercy of circumstances beyond our control. Many, MANY of us would love to see money being spent on education and programs designed to protect America’s citizens rather than to further America’s reputation as the world’s biggest bully.
*squeeze*
Sadly, all of the flap about the second amendment is just wind. Americans have been acquiring “legal” firearms for a long time now. The problem with outlawing guns is implementation. Do we confiscate personal property without compensation? What would be fair compensation? Do we grandfather in firearms already sold? How do we shut down a 4 billion dollar a year industry? These are the questions that make politicians quiver in their seats.
Education is always the key Dragon.
in our country… we had to hand in our non licenced guns without compensation, because if you would own one you would get fined
Actually our governement is a little bit hypocrit… there’s one of the biggest weapons factories in the world stationed here wich sells weapons to third world countries who fight their civil wars with our weapons… and our governement leave them be (because of the money ofcourse)
where in fact owning a gun here is against the law (wich is a good thing)… our politicans know why it’s not allowed!
Costs of locking up people who commited a gun-related crime and rehabillitating them is much higher, then the income you get for selling a few guns… the key is… crime prevention, not allowing guns!
P.s. i’m not english so excuse me for my bad writing
Heh, I’ve seen plenty of writing ten times worse from native English speakers here. I’m not immune either – I make typos like crazy, both the finger fumble kind and the brain lapse sort (weirdly I’ll substitute a word that sounds alike, yet has a totally different meaning… I scare myself
).
How on earth is this product a “failure?” This left wing b.s. is completely ridiculous! If someone were to break into my home, what would be wrong with me having a firearm nearby and easily accessible, just in case? The constitution guarantees us the right to bear arms and if we want to protect ourselves in our own homes from home invaders, that is not a failure at all. By submitting something like this, the naive prick who submitted it showed that they care more about the rights of the home invader than the person who merely wants to protect his or her family in their home.
You really think that wanting to sleep with a gun is normal and healthy?
Yes.
An interesting answer and an aptly chosen name. lol
*sigh* REALLY?! You think this thing is a GOOD idea!? It’s only helpful if you happen to be home and in bed during the break in, not to mention that this means you’re probably tired or otherwise disoriented. On top of that, there’s no lock and it’s easily in reach of children! It’s begging for a disastrous mishap!
I would love to see the insurance claims this will generate.”accidentally shot off foot while changing sheets” comes to mind.
*Snickers*
I’d buy oneā¦ but they’re not legal hereā¦ well the device is, but storing a gun that way wouldn’t be unless it were unloaded and secured with a lock.
Switzerland?
Product safety fail = Yes
Personal defense win= Yes
Not a fail.
ok, well at least u can always have a handy place to store your gun if someone breaks in, ect. but I mean, what if your getting out of bed, a family member, friend, or pet is in front of you and you didn’t have the gun on safety mode, and you pull the trigger somehow? I mean a little, ok a lottta, worst case scenario but it is a possibility. lol
It’s still a funny video. 
Shoot first ask questions later.
I don’t understand how this is a fail. Maybe it’s just because I’m a gun owner. You would store it there at night and in the morning, you would lock it in your gun safe.
That’s a sensible point of view, yet, there are some of us who believe it’s a fail because it takes the right to bear arms to a ridiculous level, by keeping it stuck to the bed, as if there’s an imminent zombie attack every night. Besides, keeping it so close might result in accidental removing from the rack during sleep or while getting into or out of bed. It also points owners’ dependence on a lethal weapon in order to feel safe.
I rather depend on myself and my gun to feel safe.
In the end, all of us depend on someone with a gun to feel safe, aka police. You’re still dependent one someone ELSE, if the shit hits the fan.
Unless you keep a policeman in your closet, they are not able to prevent a crime happening to you, only you can.
What about someone with a crossbow?
I don’t think it’s a ridiculous at all. There is nothing ridiculous about defending your own life. I keep a pistol on or in my night stand. At least with this product, your gun isn’t out in the open.
This is one of my favorite websites. http://www.a-human-right.com/ Check it out.
As a gun owner, I have a lot of respect for the power of a firearm. I always follow the rules.
Treat all guns as if they are always loaded. (Even if you know they’re not.)
Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger off the trigger.
Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
http://www.corneredcat.com
Only in America. *salutes*
It’s definitely unsafe for the burglar who leaves his guts on the wall. But the product isn’t really aimed at him, so this fail fails.
“Itās definitely unsafe for the burglar who leaves his guts on the wall. But the product isnāt really aimed at him, so this fail fails.”
Ah, this must be for the polite burglar who sneaks into your house, then goes into your bedroom and wakes you up and lets you grab a large gun, aim it, and shoot him with it.
I understand, as a general rule, conservatives wish to go back to the dark ages, but you do need to realize that there are things such as security alarms and such. Though, maybe it’s less about protection and more compensation.
“but you do need to realize that there are things such as security alarms and such.”
And what happens if those measures fail you or end up being ignored by the bad guy? As for calling the cops, you should call them but you must also understand that they require TIME to get to you before they can render any aid. In the time between calling the cops and them getting to you, YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.
That’s the logic behind the phrase “when SECONDS count, the police are mere MINUTES away.”
Now, I would have an alarm system because if it does scare the bad guy away, good. But if the alarm doesn’t deter the bad guy, then at least the alarm will wake me up, giving me sufficient time to get my weapon ready to fight back if I have to until help arrives.
Funny you should mention the police, it’s not like criminals couldn’t get their hands on this thing, and police are required by law to announce their presence before entering a house. This thing could easily endanger more lives than it might protect, but that’s merely a matter of perspective.
*headdesk* “conservatives wish to go back to the dark ages” REALLY? Did you really just say that? I’m not even a conservative and I find that outrageously offensive. Don’t generalize like that!
If someone breaks into YOUR HOME with intent to do harm, it should be at THEIR own risk.
Guns are cheaper and they work when the power goes out.
you see america, this is why the world hates you
Well we hate the rest of the world… but whos keeping track
Erm… so far as one can see in the news… the rest of the world is… if they don’t outright hate you guys (a couple countries come right to mind), they’re at very least leery of the USofA (that would be probably the entirety of the EU and possibly United Nations as a whole).
Hell even we, your polite and friendly neighbors up north are usually apologetic on your (as well as countless other countries’) behalf… which is probably why we have the reputation for excessive apologizing.
Sorry. =)
And before anyone jumps on the defensive, allow me to pre-empt with:
“No it wasn’t meant as an insult to your country or way of life – whichever you may choose.”
“No I’m not anti-’American’.”
I just go by what I watch on CNN, various political interest channels and from what I learn through discussion with my colleagues in the Political Science department at my local university.
So yeah, it’s all second and third hand information, and probably based on educated opinion. lol
Yes, you intended to insult our country and our way of life.
Yes you are anti-American, as many Canadians are.
You just lost me.
Either you know me personally, at which point you would know whether or not I’m lying about the subject matter at hand… or you’re shooting a shotgun into a dark room trying to troll a response out of me.
And… how is stating what I witnessed on an american news aggregate channel and discussed amongst academics considered ‘hate’?
Do you guys have a different meaning of the word ‘hate’ that we Canucks don’t know about?
I have a good friend that’s from south of the 49th… I plan to follow the path of the ‘brain-drain’ when I finish my graduate studies… why would this even be a consideration if I hated the USofA?
Quite a bizarre fail you have there… you might want to get that looked at.
Here in America, we have our own definitions.
Hate: Anyone who doesn’t agree entirely with a particular person/idea obviously hates that person/idea and everything it stands for and wishes it didn’t exist.
P.S. I really wish I were joking, but people really do think this way a lot here; well at least they do where I live, and I live in California!
Us, because most Americans can’t count!
We can count, just not in base ten.
surely not the world inside of America????
There is a world outside America? Surely you must be joking!
Yes, because most of the rest of the world have things like rocket propelled grenades, automatic rifles, and machine guns.
I need more of The Christ in my life.
You need more dick in your ass.
Don’t make me pop you the way I got that MJ spammer… I still got another round in the shotgun!
just the perfect thing for those mornings when you wake up eager to play duck-hunt
Or dick-hunt, which would earn you a honorable mention in the darwin awards (assuming you have not procreated first – although that gun rack might fix that, too)
you could hook your nuts and granny curtains on those
What are people talking about “this isn’t fail”?
, this IS a big fail, you have to be mentally retarded(/redneck) to think this is normal.
read the url
Yes, read the http! Eycalifrate the positrat!
Where’s the moonshine?
yeee haw!
either the moonshine is kickin in or you have real pirdy mouth
Explain why.
Pull!
*pulls*
Ewwwwwwww! Slimy
lol!
sorry about that, but we got to keep the granny flaps off the carpets you see
Dick Cheyney ordered one ASAP, in case his wife / gay daughter speak out of turn.
Accident my ass, he was practicing on that lawyer!
so itchy!
*looks around for hook-shaped appendage*
looking for something to “back up” onto
*gets into position*
I’m going to buy one of these for my limited edition 18″ black mamba with rotating head
Rawr!!!
Whee…..
Greywolf, grinning — and wondering where he canz buy one like dat!
stop being such an a hole.
obscene pictures? oh no! it’s a bed! a bed which denotes sex and sex is hardly a topic for the internet. just think, if you die now you might go to heaven and you might not, but at least a couple of people here will be happier, think about it
I find funny how people wonder why america’s crime rate just goes up.
The very fact that people think this is a good idea and it seems to be that every one is a Republican, shows that it takes some sort of mental disability to be one.
Did you learn English in Kabul? I hope you use birth control.
That’s not a fail unless your an advocate for gun control and in that case the fail is between your ears. Moron!
the reason you have so many gun-related deaths in the USA is because any Tom, Richard or Harry can have one. “yes but they’re all law abiding citizens” you wail – sure, nontheless your NON law abiding citizens simply have a plethora of free guns to steal lying around the house while your law-abiding ones are out at work, hence why you have SO MANY guns in the wrong hands, not to mention little Jimmy playing with Grandpa’s gun and shooting his little sister dead by accident because Grandpa didn’t have his gun locked away in a secure cabinet.
In the UK we have a TINY amount of gun-related deaths because (1) gun licenses, and each and every holder of a gun license has random spot checks at laest every year to ensure that any firearm is kept securely locked AT ALL TIMES in a specified place and a certain standard of gun cabinet.
I’m not saying our criminals don’t have guns, of course they do, just a few hundred percent less than YOUR criminals are able to lay their hands on.
It’s too late to do anything about in in the US. We just have to accept gun violence as part of the background…like car accidents or abortions. If you mention anything related to gun control, the conservatives go bonkers. If you throw out stats, their heads explode.
I really think deep down many gun owners fantasize about some justified killing scenario taking place in their home, where they are the hero man and the one cut down is some type of scumbag. This besdside device will sell well on account of that fantasy. That is just retarded.
And you are retarded for thinking that cant happen to you. Liberal POS
Knowing it can happen is different than WANTING it to happen. He was addressing the latter. Moron.
… and people are getting knifed to death like crazy.
Bad people will kill. Period.
Oh — and you should know that the 2nd Amendment isn’t about shooting bad guys who are trying to rob you. It’s about shooting politicians who try to rob you.
In that case (looking at my last pay stub) I think we are failing to uphold our end of the second amendment
Let’s not forget vehicular homicide… much less messy when you can hose down the front grill of the car. =)
WTF?! the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with the government! Where’d you hear that bullshit?!
No fail here, f-ing liberals.
There is a fail here. I can see it.
Yeah… chuck heston has cold dead fingers being nibbled on by worms.
He’s a zombie?
Thats not a fail, I’d use that. When you wake up to some guy in a mask creepin around your house, you’ll wish you had a 12 gauge hanging within arms length
Seriously- how often does this happen in America?
More often than you would think.
Less often than you would think.
Does ANYone have some actual stats on how often this happens, before this degrades into a ‘you’re it’, ‘no YOU’RE it’ scenario?
Seriously. I honestly would like to know the stats on aggressive home invasions in the US and subsequent gun-related defense-fatalities or preventions of same home-invasions due to gun ownership (and apparent accessibility so as to deter the criminal).
100% truth. I really would like to know these stats.
Now… having a baseball bat next to the bed doesn’t count. By the rules of the formed argument, the crimes have to be prevented by a gun-owner wielding a gun… or else it will be like saying ‘This tiger spray really works… I haven’t been attacked by a tiger yet!’
(Woods or otherwise)
Hard to get accurate statistics amid all the false accusations and general confusion that is our “justice” system.
This is an old OLD internet joke. The fact that it took failblog so long to find it is one issue. The second is that in order to categorize this as a fail, you have to fundamentally misunderstand WHY it’s funny. So in the end this is some idiot taking a previous joke and stamping “fail” on it in order to imply a different kind of joke.
So the person who submitted this is a hack and probably is the idiot who thought the Jabba the Hut cake looked like poop. Which was another similar incident. Something that was in fact and Eipic Win (jabba the hut as a wedding cake) was categorized as a fail because the creator of the image has no concept of what a fail really is.
So in short, I hope the creator tries to rob a proud owner of this device some day. Or at least stops submitting things.
Sorry to say it, but a country that actually sells those is really F#@$@ up
The right to own guns in America gives people people the right to defend themselves. If you have ever shown problems with aggresive behavior, alchohol, or drugs you can not by law purchase any guns. I live in a town in Ct where statistically 1 in 4 have a permit to carry concealed firearms. The last serious crime that occured here was in 1991 when a man stabbed his wife. No store has been held at gun point in over 23 years, and no person has been shot on purpose or by accident in 40 yrs. How many people do you think have accidently cut themselves on a knife, or put a nail in their hand with a nail gun. Armed citizens keep everyone in check and present a necessary fear to keep the law abiding on the right path and keep the lawless from attacking innocent peoples rights to freedom. If you are afraid of the people then you won’t try to screw them over. That is the only way you can have peace. Besides if a few drugies wanna rob me or try to attack me I have no problem planting 5 or 6 rounds of 40 cal right in their chest. Screw with a conservative American and you better be ready for him to fight back.
Well said! Its amazing how many people in this country are willing to give up their freedoms for a piece of government cheese. The right to bear arms is what guarantees the citizens keep the rest of the Bill of Rights. It has the added benefit of what you described – crime rates are LOWER in areas of high gun ownership. Why? Because a criminal thinks twice before robbing someone when they know they could be shot!
This product is EPIC WIN.
Yeah, I feel much safer knowing that anyone around me can just grab a gun and shoot me down wherever I am. I have a friend whos cousin has a friend who has not a gun but a lethal slingshot OF COURSE i would like evryone to have guns. Thank God I dont live in america.
Once again the ultra-liberals at fail blog are trying to brainwash everyone into believing guns are the problem, not the nut jobs who kill people. What a bunch of leftist brainwashed drivel
We were actually having a discussion, which is something completely different than brainwashing. Just in case you don’t know: People here, no matter if they’re pro or anti gun control, used arguments quite often. Which differs from what you just did.
This thing is rad! The sound of a pump shoot gun to a intruder will make them crap and run. I love the idea in homes were children are not living there.
“Many customers are buying one for each side of the bed.” Great, that way you have access to a shotgun even if you wake up on the wrong side of the bed.
Lol!
This is a win
Failure identification fail. While I have no need for this thing, there are plenty of neighborhoods where this really does qualify as a safety device. There’s certainly nothing about it that looks like it’s apt to cause an accident. Leaving aside the old chestnut about what would happen if young children got access to it–a flawed supposition since you can figure the owners of this device would account for that–there’s really no other down side.
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Why is this a fail?
This is no fail! I vote win all day! Gettin one for each room…
Stop uploading these vids to Viddler!!
Return to uploading them on YouTube or DailyMotion
First I don’t think that any of you are being honest with yourselves. Guns are the equivalent of driving a big truck. You are a small man who feels inadequate. “Bigger men may come and take what I have because Im small” is the revolving theme in these posts. Why do you not feel secure enough to protect yourself the old fashioned way.If you want a gun because you feel it’s the only way you can protect yourself, than say so. Don’t pretend that it’s because of the constitution. Everyone knows the second amendment exists so please stop arguing that this is the only reason you own a gun. We are clearly arguing the merits of the second amendment, so stop restating it over and over again as if it would justify itself. If you have no actual points to make then shut up. This thread would be half this length if people stopped quoting the amendment over and over and over again.
and @ Ian,
Perhaps crime is low because you live in a SMALL TOWN IN CONNECTICUT!! and NOT because everyone owns guns.
I don’t think that the moderators put this on here because they have some secret agenda to ban all guns in the US. But because it’s hilarious. The irony itself is amazing. Why would you need a loaded shot gun on the side of your bed? You live in the suburbs not Sowetto.
Also if the state of society is so worrisome to you, why not work to change it. Rather than retreating to your suburban palace and shooting everyone who approaches.
So, women who drive big trucks just have penis envy, right?
Tell you what, you protect yourself in the “old-fashioned” way, and I will protect myself in the way criminals are attacking people.
Oh, and what “old-fashioned” way are you talking about? Last I heard, the way to protect one’s self and one’s home in the 1800s and early 1900s was to use a gun.
Reductio ad absurdum:
You know that I did not mean that woman want penises. I was clearly speaking to the men that had posted in this thread. But because you can not support your own beliefs; you take mine to the extreme to make them seem less legitimate.
You clearly know that people fought without guns much longer than they have fought with guns but again, you digress.
My point is that people are putting TOO much false hope in gun ownership. When there are other forms of self defense that are more practical. What % of your life is spent near enough to a gun, to use it as your primary form of defense. So you either need to carry a gun at all times, have a gun in each room of your house, your car, your desk at work or find another, more practical way of defending yourself.
So you pick guns, because they are easier, and somehow considered more civilized to shoot someone then to fight them. But this is based on a flawed premise. Criminals are also arming themselves with guns. I would not suggest entering into an arms race with criminals; they will always steal more guns than you can afford or own legally.
Again I pose the same question, why not change the society that breads these criminals, instead of shooting them from your ivory tower?
“why not change the society that breads (breeds) these criminals, instead of shooting them from your ivory tower?”
Because society changes only because its people decide to change.
Unfortunately, there are many people who have made their own choice to prey on others and there really is no good excuse for that choice.
This forces those who decide to live fair to make their choice of being prepared to effectively defend themselves against those who refuse to do what they must to be beneficially productive.
@ Lummox
How about just because it’s plain old fashioned tacky.
Shoot a feller dead from the comfort of your bed!
I don’t even own A gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate an entire rack.
Why isn’t there a law that requires all guns are locked up when not in use?
because when u need a gun you need it immediately, dumbass! Your attacker isnt going to wait while u unlock and load ur gun…
Locked and loaded.
this is awesome! now my kids have something to play with instead of waking me up! Thanks Backup!!
EPIC FAIL!!!
My uncle might actually use this. They live in kind of a bad neighborhood, it’s well known in our family that if you enter that house at an improper hour, you might end up with a shotgun barrel in your face.
how is this a fail?
Q: if someone breaks into your house, and you don’t have a gun, how are you supposed to shoot him?
note to criminals: Only break into houses occupied by liberal hippie duechebags. Its win win for erybody!!!!
A: They will politely tell the bad guy,” Before you do anything, please let me call the police. I do not believe in violence, even in the act of protecting myself and others. I believe everyone is good inside…HEY WHAT ARE YOU DOING! I TOLD YOU TO LET ME CALL- HEEEEELP POLICE, SOMEONE!!! SAVE ME!!”
more like epic win
if you need a shotgun strapped beside you to get to sleep, turn of foxNEWS
ha ha this guy can’t even spell lol….
if you need a shotgun strapped beside you to get to sleep, turn off foxNEWS
FAIL????? This is an EPIN WIN, WIN, WIN!!!!!!
Who doesn’t want to feel more like Denzel in Training Day?
I don’t understand how this is a safety fail. This is actually something that I have been looking for. A pump action shotgun is the safest gun you could have around the house. You can leave the rounds in it. No child can pump a round into the chamber.
Americans are such a bunch of freaks.
not all americans are gun nuts. Anyone who buys this or thinks it is a good idea, is too dumb to be allowed to own a gun.
How is this not a good idea? Someone breaks into your house at night, and you know exactly where to reach for your shotgun.
You also know where to get it if you’re surprised by the cops coming to arrest you, startled by your spouse, or piss-ass drunk! THINK ABOUT IT! Guns are fine when used responsibly, but I really don’t think having a gun within arms-reach at all times is either smart or necessary.
This is an epic win! When a burglar breaks into your house at 2:30 in the morning, you don’t wanna have to walk in the dark to your closet, find your gun safe, remember the combination, muster up enough hand-eye coordination to get it open, then take off the multiple child locks that are probably on it. By the time that happens the burglar would have either ran off of splattered your brains all over the wall with his own (easily accessible) gun.
Or the burglar gets your gun because it has no lock and splatters your own brains with it! Besides, a burglar won’t break in while you’re home anyways, that would just be dumb.
Doesnt anybody get this?
Dont be offended, but rather laugh at America’s paranoia and what products it’s created.
This, in my view, is a product for someone hilariously paranoid (aka, an American). Im half American myself, but i still find this hilarious
Our corporations/politicians have found fear to be a powerful marketing tool. They just might be abusing it a bit…
What’s so fail about this? I say a win!
Who’s going to protect you when something goes bump in the night? Your politician, the police, your mommy?
The only person that can protect you, all the time, is yourself. Depending on someone to do it for you makes you a potential victim.
in case of zombies
When the alarms are sounded, you might not be able to sleep, but at least you know those darned zombies ain’t gonna make it to your bed! X3
Comment/Comedy Win.
I don’t see the fail. You have umbrellas, car insurance, and fire extinguishers, right?
There are a lot of people in the cemetery who wish they had one of those. but since they’re dead, they can’t tell you about it.
The only fail here is the flaming leftist douche bags who want to impose their handicap upon others.
Now instead of accidentally shooting your kid ’cause they tried to sneak in after curfew without turning on any lights, you can accidentally shoot your spouse because they got up to use the washroom in the middle of the night.
Accidentally shooting your kids or spouse will not happen if you strictly adhere to one of the four doctrines of gun safety.
“Always be certain of your target and what’s beyond.”
In other words, YOU IDENTIFY BEFORE YOU EVER DECIDE TO SHOOT.
The four basic doctrines of gun safety works so long as you follow them ALWAYS.
Because your thoughts and perceptions are always so coherent at 3:25 AM…
“Because your thoughts and perceptions are always so coherent at 3:25 A.M.”
There is such a thing as “time zones.” How would you know if it was really 3:25 A.M. at where I was?
And, second, I just love your attempt at ad hominem.
Don’t argue the point, just attack the person who brought it up. Very convenient as you can bring down the dissenting opinion without actually having to debate it.
But, if your comment was about someone being awakened at 3:25 A.M., well there is a solution to that.
You practice proper use of your weapon as often as you can, that way your use of the weapon and adherence to the rules will be second nature.
So long as you keep your wits about you and you do not forget your training, you will not have the problem with fatigue.
And, I’d still rather have a gun than not have one if I was awakened at 3:25 A.M. by an intruder.
And, besides, there is also a little natural pick-me-up that you body will excrete to make you prepared to fight or flight in such a situation.
I think it’s called, I don’t know, adrenaline?
YUP. Fully agreed
Did he mention that it is a win?
failblog censors comments or in my case shuts them down completely. Lets see if this makes it to the board??????? left wing google dominated duechebags….
LOL! You just owned yourself I think. Ever think you might just be too offensive?
I think this is a WIN – should someone break into my house in the middle of the night, there is no place I would rather have my gun than right there by my bed where I can get to it easily.
2nd amendment supporter by choice, DEMOCRAT by choice. LEFTIES LIKE GUNS TOO. Also Swiss by blood, American by birth. Neither one of my countries outlaws guns, both PRODUCE THEM.
The conclusion? I’m born and bred to be a gun toting citizen.
Guns don’t kill people… People kill people as murder has been a problem since Cain and Able.
Yes, and as descendants of the first people, we must make sure murder is preserved among people by making it as effortless as possible.
Killing in self defense is not the same as murder.
Murder is killing in malice to deprive life.
Killing in self defense is meant to preserve life from a wrongful affront.
Supporting guns as a private right facilitates murder as it makes killing more readily available to EVERYONE. The only purpose of a gun is to inflict injury and death at the move of a finger, regardless of who stands at the other side of the barrel.
Evil intentions may always lie within certain members of society, but granting them the personal right to the means to take life alongside everyone else only makes everyone a potential aggressor and a potential self-defender – a militarized civil society formed of members that may not posses the attributes to take the best decisions while holding a lethal device.
Steaming load alert
It is harder to buy a gun than a knife, baseball bat, car, etc… Availability of a particular tool does not facilitate the will to harm others.
I have never been possessed by any of my guns and been forced to start killing people against my will.
The true root of the issue is that gun-haters know they lose control of themselves, and gun owners know they can’t. There are examples of this, and I’m sure you’d love to cite them all as support for your position, but all it does is show how PEOPLE LIKE YOU are halfway right. YOU should not have a gun. Projection of YOUR defects onto others is all the evidence a SANE person needs.
Tragedy is what happens with fearful, hateful, controlling people like you get one. So go ahead, deprive yourself. Be helpless, we’re all better off if you are an easy victim. Don’t be a Tool Using Human. Be helpless. Impose that handicap on yourself where it belongs.
I still haven’t seen any logical arguments in favor of using guns from your side. Or maybe that pseudo-psychoanalysis of myself was supposed to be one?
I’m talking about the dangers of lethal weapons as a private right, you talk about me.
I raise the issue of the vicious circle of militarizing a nation as a justification to feel safe, you talk about me.
I talk about the fact that psychologists proved that humans base a large part of their decisions on irrational impulses, you talk about my feelings.
Wow. You know, deciding that everyone that isn’t like you is crazy is one of the key signs of insanity and mental disease… I’m just sayin’
Of course a gun is designed to inflict harm. It is a weapon, after all. But, a gun does not act on its own; it requires human input to function.
But, why you act with the capability of violence is what sets a murderer apart from a rational person.
If your rationale for taking away the right to keep and bear arms is because the citizens could use them for nefarious purposes, then I suggest you have a problem with paranoia; you must prove that a person is unfit to keep and bear arms through due process of law.
It is not enough for you to assume the worst; that others may not posses “the attributes to take the best decisions,” you have to successfully prove it ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS before you can act on that presumption.
The notion of “innocence until guilt is proven” applies.
However, FYI, the right to keep and bear arms is not a right to kill; you take the life of your attacker only if you know and can positively prove that you had no other choice to survive. In other words, you shoot only if the situation indicates beyond reasonable doubt that if you don’t kill your attacker, your attacker will kill YOU.
This isn’t about administering justice or taking the law into your own hands, but the prudent notion of effectively stopping an immediate threat to your life when no other options exist to escape.
If you have the option not to use lethal force to successfully escape, YOU ARE EXPECTED TO EXERCISE THAT OPTION IN LIEU OF SHOOTING.
Again, your freedom to keep and bear arms entitles you to a responsibility to use such force with restraint in the same vein where shouting FIRE in a crowded theater is not protected under the 1st Amendment. You can use force only for self-defense AND only when it’s absolutely, positively necessary.
Abuse of that right entitles you to severe consequences, both civil and criminal.
That’s how it is in “trigger happy” America. You still have to abide by the law governing when it’s reasonable to use force and you have to suffer the penalties for your failure to obey the law.
Plus, FYI, it is not “militarization” of the civilian population partly because arms owned privately by the citizens without consent from the government makes it harder for a government to control or “militarize” those citizens to begin with. In addition, it’s hard to form a “militarized” society if members act individually and independently of each other. In other words, people minding their own business.
Besides, if you’re concerned about lethal weapons in the hands of individuals, first start by controlling people’s thoughts. This is because, practically, the most lethal weapon is the mind because that’s where motivation and ingenuity to hurt others and find ways to do it originate from. For instance, taking a moving van and loading it up with ammonium nitrate to create a massive IED.
In other words, if you go after everyone’s guns, you’re only dealing with a remote symptom and not the real problem: bad people. In addition, by eroding rights, you are punishing INNOCENT people for the wrongful acts of those who did not care that what they did were immoral and illegal to begin with.
You forget though, humans are idiots.
“You forget though, humans are idiots.”
Then what is your proposal? Treat all humans as idiots who can’t make their own choices and accept the responsibilities?
If so, then MY proposal for your assertion: BRING ON A NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST.
Let’s just wipe humanity completely off the face of the earth then.
Seriously. Just because there are some who are stupid, you have to treat ALL OF THEM as that?
Suggestions about my reputed personal feelings don’t stand as counter-arguments. Even if one was paranoid, that wouldn’t change the validity of one’s arguments because they have their own intrinsic truth value in the context of the discussion. It’s a very common logical error to aim at the speaker claiming bias.
Besides, I don’t carry a weapon because I don’t live in a state of fear. The clearest proof of fear is getting a lethal weapon claiming you need it in order to feel safe.
You said “you must prove that a person is unfit to keep and bear arms through due process of law”. What’s ironic is that in most states it’s easier to get a gun permit than to get a driver’s license.
Considering everyone fit to carry a lethal weapon through the Constitution is the core issue, because it automatically assumes that the system is so fragile that people need lethal weapons in case something goes wrong. A perpetual state of war, in other words. A cold war.
I do agree with your point that the real problem is bad people, but giving everyone guns doesn’t seem to ameliorate the crime rate, quite the contrary. We only need to take a look at the murder/suicide by gun rates in countries where weapons are not put under heavy control.
If we are concerned about lethal weapons in the hands of individuals, which appears easier to you: controlling people’s thoughts or taking weapons out of their hands? Making the acquisition of lethal weapon as difficult as possible discourages amplification of anti-social acts by the number of rounds in the magazine.
“Besides, I donāt carry a weapon because I donāt live in a state of fear. The clearest proof of fear is getting a lethal weapon claiming you need it in order to feel safe.”
The reason to carry a weapon is that it is an equalizer. The problem with physical fighting is that there will always be someone stronger than you. So, you’re comfortable with the notion that, in a “fair fight” the stronger person is the one that ought to prevail and not the person who was in the right? You may not intend that, but that is generally the outcome.
In addition, if something like that ever did happen to you, YOU WILL CHANGE YOUR TUNE as you will realize that it can happen to you. I liken your attitude about this topic to that of an invincible teenager; it hasn’t happened to you, so it won’t ever happen to you, so why be concerned about it?
The problem is that while it may or may not happen, the possibility will always exist. Unfortunately, life can be so cruel when it does shatter that misconception by allowing the very thing you don’t think will happen to occur. In that case, what’s left is how you deal with it; are you prepared or aren’t you? But, regarding preparation, you prepare beforehand because when the SHTF, it’s too late to prepare at that point.
The distinction between fear and prudence may seem nonexistent, but there is a line because the former is driven by irrationality while the latter is driven by logic.
“What’s ironic is that in most states it’s easier to get a gun permit than to get a driver’s license”
Driving is a privilege, not a right. You were born with life and the right to defend it, including using a weapon if necessary. You were not born with a right to drive a car on a public roadway.
“it automatically assumes that the system is so fragile that people need lethal weapons in case something goes wrong.”
Please examine the following phrase: “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.”
This is because the government is composed of people in a significant position of power, and that power corrupts unless it is balanced by the citizenry. However, a citizenry that is not empowered is no deterrence to a corrupt government.
Now, you may ask about corrupted citizens, but that’s what the government is for.
If that sounds hypocritical, it’s not; balance is about both sides. Remember that governmental power must be balanced by the power of the citizenry? It works the other way as well.
A gun ban reduces the power of the citizenry and allows government to grow, opening the way to tyranny.
As the government is already powerful and will remain that way as lawful citizens do understand the necessity of government, I doubt allowing people to have arms will cause the government to collapse and cause society to descend into anarchy.
But, again, you can’t always rely on the government to protect you and there is legal precedent in the USA, as ruled by over 10 United States Supreme Court cases, indicating that, while the authorities are obligated to ensure public order, they are not obligated to protect individuals.
Now, if you believe that to be a cold war, then fine. Unfortunately, that struggle will always be ongoing as that’s part and parcel of a balance of power.
“We only need to take a look at the murder/suicide rate by gun rates.”
1. Suicide is a bad measure. There are more ways to kill oneself than with guns. Ban guns and people who may shoot themselves may seek alternative means to off themselves. You’re only moving suicide from one form to another rather than resolving the core issue that is provoking suicidal thoughts in the first place.
2. Murder will not be stopped by banning guns and there are other ways to kill another human being easily. Again, how does taking away a gun stop murder? Furthermore, how does a gun make another person want to kill? Simply declaring that guns kill is simple-minded as it disregards the notion of motive: WHY someone would kill another.
3. I’m reminded of a quote from William S. Borroughs: “After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn’t do it. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military.” And, with all the stories about police brutality and the like, I can see what he means.
In addition, why take guns away from people like me, who do not make trouble and break the law? What did I ever do?
And, don’t you ever claim that “anyone could” as justification, because it hasn’t happened and you can’t know that it will or won’t, but assuming the worst and acting against others on that assumption = “guilty until proven innocent.”
“Making the acquisition of lethal weapon as difficult as possible discourages amplification of anti-social acts.”
No, it does not. Careless agenda is what causes anti-social acts.
And, as history has shown that GOVERNMENTS DRIVEN BY SUCH AGENDA were responsible for the largest number of deaths of people, why leave all the weapons in their hands?
And I thought I was the only Democrat that supported gun rights. I don’t own any guns, with some of the knives I have, I don’t need to. Still, I support everybody’s right to own and carry a gun with the exception of felons and the severely mentally ill. In the stereotypical dark alley I’m scared of PEOPLE not guns. The guy with the pipe, screwdriver, bat, or just really big freakin hands scares me just as much as the guy with the gun.
On the other hand, if I’m staying at your house and you have the loaded and chambered shotgun attached to your bed, I’m going to be little nervous about knocking on your door to ask for an extra pillow.
If you’re staying at my house and you knock on my door, I’m going to ask who it is first and if it’s you needing a pillow, you get a pillow.
I’ll throw buckshot towards someone only if that person makes it obvious that he’s after something more than my hospitality and is acting in malicious violence against me.
Identify first! That little act before doing anything else helps to prevent all sorts of problems.
“Shoot first, ask questions later” is only in the movies.
lol Americans.
Its too funny how a good 50% of the population still appear to have a large chunk of their brain missing.
Everybody buying guns to protect themselves from everybody elses guns. lol. There is no reason for a member of a modern society to own a gun. You’ll only end up hurting yourself with it.
Oh course we need to give up our gun rights, because the moment we do, criminals will stop doing bad things, and we will secure our boarder with mexico and totaly stop criminals from importing guns and drugs. OH and criminals will stop home invasions and roberies and kidnappings and rapes. As soon as americans stop being stupid and give up guns, all of the world will be a better place for use to live because everyone will stop hurting each other.
Or…Im going to order one of these, because it would be easier to have my shotgun on the side of my bed than under it, like i have it now. Its quite the ingenious idea, so simple but I didn’t think of it first. To bad, its gonna sell very well.
Wow!!! For buying this product, give your robbers a VERY GOOD chance to kill you with your own shotgun!!! DO YOU WANT MORE?!
Bullshit.
First off, the robbers have to know the shotgun is there.
Secondly, you can give yourself time to react by securing your room before you go to sleep. How? Close and lock your windows and doors. The commotion the robbers may make if they try to gain entry may wake you up and give you time to get your weapon ready.
And that’s the point of this rack: providing easy access to your weapon in case you need it because, frankly, your weapon does you no good if you can’t get to it in time to use it.
Train yourself, arm yourself, and keep in mind the four basic doctrines of gun safety.
1. ALL GUNS ARE TO BE TREATED AS LOADED.
2. Finger AWAY from the trigger unless ready to shoot.
3. NEVER point the muzzle at anyone or anything you are not willing to destroy.
4. Be certain of your target AND what’s beyond.
average redneck’s thoughts: “$40?! Hell, i bet i could build one of those mahself with summa this crap i got layin ’round”
Yeah, or even “Hell, I seen me somthin’ like that at the dump the other day. Heh heh. Snerk!
> I speak as one the aforementioned, btw…
Mind you, my hometown is heavily armed, but we have almost no gun violence at all. This is in the woods; most families hunt in season; the poorer folks hunt year round, just like anywhere. The only shooting incident here in the last twenty years was a stupid cracker meth-head come up here from Fresno, shot one of his buddies when they were all messed up and fooling around. Every kid here takes Hunter Safety, and is damn proud to pass it. And them 4 rules are the ones I was raised with, and my dad made *damn* sure we took them seriously. So it varies.
I do think a lot of us here in USA are knee-jerk reactors, flying off the handle at any disagreement. Most of our political system has ground to a standstill now. So I dunno what the answer should be — just damn glad it’s not me in the White House. Wouldn’t want the job for all the money in the world.
I couldn’t use this rack, cos I’z clumsy when Iz half-asleep; it’d be there a week before I cracked a knee or a shin on the damn thing and messed m’self up. Anyways, between the dogz and the swordz, we don’t worry much.
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Washington D.C severely restricted gun ownership rights up until recently and they had one of the highest crime rates in the nation. Care to explain that, gun control advocates?
They’ve always had one of the highest crime rates in the country. It’s just always been one of THOSE places.
WIN.
Although, can see how people in cities where guns are illegal mght think it’s odd to have the means to defend your home by your bed.
The concept isn’t really a failure, and not all products are meant for all people.
All in all this may in fact work for some people, and some weapons. Shotguns do have safety’s and many do not leave a shell in the chamber of a stored shotgun, hell the racking sound is intimidating in itself.
On the other hand, I do agree with “Thunder” from Brazil, a wall mount would probably be better served for faster acquisition.
I personally keep a loaded handgun next to my bed, I have this novel concept of alarms in my house, therefore the intruder will not make it to my gun before I do.
For all the gun bashers out there… I don’t force you to own or carry a firearm, don’t try to force your desire to not let me.
Spam!
Ham eggs and spam, spam spam and spam…
It says “get up and order now.” How ironic is that?
WIN. and WANT.
shotgun WIN!
The Fail is the price!! $40?! Anyone could easily make that
I would call this a paranoia fail. I’m a knife person. Love to keep one under my pillow at night. I also recognize that this behavior is batsh*t insane for how paranoid it is. I don’t suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Seriously, though? The gun mounted on the side of the bed? What’s next? Land mines for the front yard? Alligators in the moat? Keep a chainsaw nearby for those zombie attacks? How about having a stockpile of grenades, just in case? That’s crazy insane even by my standards… But I’m prolly going to buy one of these things for the fun of it… Then I’ll get a shotgun to mount on it… Hey, I wonder if I could mount a chainsaw to a second one.
…a little creepy there my friend…
estupidos americanos de mierda !!!!!!!! me dais pena
NOS DAIS PENA
Used to have a friend who had a major sleep disorder – she would act out what she was dreaming. Whoops… One night her husband found her pretending to slay dragons – and she had found one of their swords… Real one they used for LARP stuff… I do not think I will suggest this as a gift for them this Christmas.
“many customers are buying one for each side of the bed” – ROFL
Seriously, though, has the story of the guy who accidentally strangled his wife while asleep been reported over there in the States? Some people do weird things in their sleep, and the twilight zone between sleeping and waking is not a time when the average person has much sense, judgement, proportion or aim. Keeping weapons by your bed is NOT a good idea.
btw – I’m a Christian and I don’t keep a gun by my bed. Just a thought to drop in amid the wild generalisations.
Who needs a rack? I sleep with my Remington strapped to my chest.
40$? Fail!
@Ronne,
Don’t blame mexico. Mexico bans guns because in the hands of criminals they can over throw the government I.E. the cartels. All the cartels smuggle their guns in from the US. So our paranoia is causing problems for the rest of the world. It circular logic and makes no sense. ” I need a gun because criminals have guns” but we can’t take guns out of the hands of criminals because then “i’ll have to give up my gun too”
When the real reason is, You like that criminals have guns. Its the only legal way you can shoot brown people. These racist, conservative douche bags just want to be able to shoot human beings, because hunting animals isn’t fun enough for them.
Conservatives are such hypocrites. You complain that we are liberal douche bags because we try and regulate guns. Meanwhile, conservatives try and regulate every other human activity under the sun.
How about this, you can keep your guns if I can keep my marriage… Fair trade?
I think it would be difficult for you to be a bigger liar and douche bag than you just showed yourself to be.
Brown People and Gay People use guns to protect themselves from Racists and Homophobes, too. You clearly have no clue of the who and why of gun owners.
Google ‘pink pistols.’ Get a life you agitating jackoff.
What did I lie about Dustin?
I didn’t say that brown/gay people didn’t use guns.
I was drawing a parallel. For some reason it is easier for conservatives to relate to gun laws. What frustrated me is the banning gay marriage in my home state. Both Ideas come from the same place. “Because I don’t like it, it should be illegal and no one should be able to do it.”
You get frustrated at these “commie liberals” because they really have no other argument than “I don’t like guns”. But then can’t see that they regulate social issues from the same stand point.
My point is, we are all americans and supposed to be free. We should all stop worrying about the next man. If you want a gun, get a gun don’t explain yourself. The only good reason to get a gun is because you want one. But on the other hand, I shouldn’t have to explain why I have the right to get married.
Furthermore, I own 3 guns. And I don’t know what you think I was lying about but guns are illegal in mexico. I live on the boarder and when entering there are signs plastered everywhere reminding visiting amercians that possession of a gun is a felony in Mexico. Also didn’t lie about the cartels guns being smuggled in from mexico. You can google Obamas speech promising to slow the flow of guns from the US into Mexico.
I agree with some of your perspective.
Obama promised to ‘halt’ something that never happened… It’s like your little sister pretending you hit her to get you punished. Guns are not going into mexico by any means other than Bill Clinton sold them to them! Civilians just plain can’t buy the weapons they claim to have confiscated. Machine Guns have been banned from Civilian Manufacture since 1986! Fiscally, it doesn’t even make sense. Mexico has sources for weapons dirt cheap. Guns in America are, at best, semi-auto, and cost a ton of money. The only paper trail found is that ‘these guns trace back the the USA.’ Of course, leaving out the part about how it was the US GOVERNMENT who sold MILITARY MACHINE GUNS, that Civilians can’t even buy…
Citing “Obama said it” does not make it true. The man has told more blatant lies than any politician I have ever seen, heard of, or read about in all of history. And he has been in office for just over a year!
Do note, that they are talking about traceable paperwork. Stolen and smuggled weapons aren’t traceable because, duh, they’re stolen and smuggled; there is no paperwork to trace with. The overwhelming majority of weapons they confiscate are, you guessed it, not traceable at all. Those that can be ‘traced’ lead back to the USA because, again, they were sold to the Mexicans by Bill Clinton….
You said gun owners are racist and like to shoot gay and brown people. For playing both of those cards with not a shred of even anecdotal reasoning for it, you are a liar.
Guns are not illegal in Mexico. You have to jump through some hoops, and are not allowed to own a weapon that can use ammo that is in wide military use. Even in the USA, Politicians like to put up “no guns” signs that are not enforceable. A sign is not the law. I have personally been in possession of firearms in Mexico on more than one occasion, 100% legally. It’s tyrannical and stupid, but it isn’t flat-out illegal.
State your source. You’re upset that I didn’t provide any support for conservatives being racist. But you make a wild accusation about a former president with no proof. Furthermore, Bill Clinton hasn’t been president for over a decade, and the amount of guns and cartel violence escalated under president bush. I’m not saying that he didn’t sell them some guns, I can’t prove he didn’t. But that was 10 years ago, its not really logical to assume they’re still using the same guns.
Cartels pay highly for weapons, America is a capitalist society ergo Americans have no problem selling guns to whomever asks for them.
Win on a stick! I can see the covers getting tangled around and knocking it down…
I just prop mine up against the wall… Why hide it? Not like there are a bunch of people parading into my bedroom. If some chick sees it and freaks out, well, thanks for getting the hell out of my life before I was fool enough to have sex with a loser chick like you! Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out! No, I’m not giving you a ride to anywhere, you’re a prejudiced commie bitch! You can walk!
I think the product fails simply because it is a solution looking for a problem.
That’s why US is one of the safest countries in the world, well done guys!!!
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Where’s the fail in this one? I don’t get it.
this is no fail this is a win. unless you are those idiots who approve of higher crime rate by taking away 2nd amendment rights.
“I’d rather have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.”
I don’t really see this video as a fail.
Every person has a right to defend their property and family, with lethal force if necessary.
This isn’t Britain, where you go to jail for excessively beating someone who broke into your house.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235782/Millionaire-Munir-Hussain-fought-knife-wielding-burglar-jailed-intruder-let-off.html
umm this is from THE DAILY MAIL – the most hated, bigoted and right wing tabloid in the UK…and I noted you say ‘excessively’ so by rights surely that is the reason for his jail term. The UK justice systems are no way perfect but who does? Remember the fundamental human right is the right to life is it not?
If you choose to attack another for the purpose of malice and you die as a result, you would have brought that fate on yourself.
The right to life includes the obligation to respect the lives of others.
If you disregard that obligation to respect the life of your fellows, you do so at your own peril because your victim has every right to fight in defense of his life from your attempt to hurt him or take his life away from him.
Again, if you were to attack someone and die, that’s the risk YOU should have known you were taking. If you won’t respect another person’s life, why should your victim ever respect your right to live?
AJ said on Safety Product Fail
December 14, 2009 at 10:00 am
If you work for an ad agency then you should know by now that fear is pretty much the basic motivator for everyone, regardless of nationality.
Fear of being out of the loop or uncool, fear of being hungry, fear of being unhealthy, fear of being unattractive to the opposite sex, fear of humiliation, fear of dying alone, fear of fear itself. Americans are by no means alone in this.
Indeed the US is not alone but it does seem to instil those fears and take advantage much more. We put a more positive spin on things – not fear of obesity but promotion of health, fear of being unattractive being replaced by “who gives a toss what other people think?” and fear of humiliation? Well, I’m Scottish so it’s my birthright to be humiliated – particularly with regards to football. People are only scared when people tell them they should be – Swine flu is a perfect example
Only in America.
EPIC NEVER BEFORE SEEN PHAIL!
(yes, I am a hippie)
This must be what commercials are like in Texas. Republican Fail.
I’ve been to Texas, they’re way worse. Trust me. Really sucky drivers too, from what I experienced.
I feel like this is a WIN… not a fail
WIN!
I can use it to store brooms – but not firearms! Total carnage!
Use it for a crossbow! Silent, and quite deadly.
I’d say it’s quite obviously a correlation between the ammount handguns in a country and the ammount of people in said country being killed and hurt in crimes and accidents involving handguns. The risk of someone breaking in and hurting your family is proably alot lower then the risk of someone in your family hurting themselves or others if you have unsecured guns in your house.
Even with all the guns you guys have i’m pretty sure the average US citizen feels less safe then the average swede, and crime figures indicates the guns aren’t making you safer either.
In my opinion you guys have to do something so that you can feel safe without having a gun because if you need a gun to feel safe something is wrong. After all it’s not the wild west or the dark ages anymore.
Yet statistics compiled by the United States Department of Justice and even the United Nations do not follow your conclusions.
Basically, in the U.S., places with restrictions on civilian firearms ownership sees an increase in crime, such as Washington, D.C., Chicago, and New York. Places where restrictions are lax, crime is low, such as the state of Florida when it enacted concealed carry. Vermont is another state with lax gun control, where you can carry concealed WITHOUT a license and it enjoys some of the LOWEST crime rates in the nation.
Then there’s Switzerland, a European country with a huge gun culture. Low crime!
Regarding the U.N., I recall a crime report that put Scotland, England and Wales as being the WORST in terms of overall violent crime, DESPITE the fact that civilians are essentially banned from being able to fight back.
The correlation: criminals like easy prey, but they don’t like it if their prey can fight back, ESPECIALLY with deadly force.
And it’s not about “feeling safe,” it’s about BEING able to protect yourself.
You can’t rely on the cops and you can’t rely on other people for your own protection. You ultimately have to fend for yourself, so you may as well be prepared. Even if the odds are low in some places, you still ought to be prepared because the stakes are high if it does happen (and it can at any time, anywhere). Isn’t YOUR LIFE worth preparing to defend in case you must fight for it? Your responsibility, however, is that you train and respect your responsibilities associated with your choice to be armed with the first understanding that the right to keep and bear arms does not mean you have a right to kill for no good reason; you can only kill your attacker if not doing so would mean the immediate demise of your life (self defense).
Be armed, get trained, and hope you never have to fight.
I really think it’s something that ought to be researched more, but people tend to get all flustered when they think they’re being treated like guinea pigs.
These statistics are pretty skewed. They don’t take into account all contributing factors. And it leads you to believe that gun laws solely played a role in the crime rate.
You name New York, Chicago and Dc and then compare them to Florida and Switzerland? Maybe Vermont doesn’t have as much crime, because they have 1/6 the population of New York… It just seems like a more logical conclusion to me.
And comparing the United States to Switzerland in terms of being peaceful country… extreme fail.
Switzerland has less crime because of the culture, which is different than ours. That would be a greater contributer to the attitude on crime, than any gun law.
Im sorry, Vermont actually has 1/16 the population of New York
Crime rates are generally measured and quoted per capita.
The statistic he refers to is based off of percentages. When people compile statistics they look at such things. You’re not the first person to realize that New York has more people than Vermont.
How about Florida?
It’s not about beeing able to protect yourself, because clearly if an armed person realy wants to harm you it doesn’t matter that you yourself are armed unless you’re constantly walking with your gun drawn and expecting an attack.
The comparison with Switzerland is a thing i like that you argue because here we can see a huge difference between the two countries, in the US you buy guns to protect yourselves but in Switzerland it’s for hunting and recreational use. And that is the major differance, you actually feel the need to own a gun to feel safe and to feel you can defend yourself while the Swizz people don’t even feelthe need to be able to defend themselves in a matter like that.
I’d say ofc a life is worth defending but that is why you have the police against crime and the Army against foreign troops. A country where you actually think you need to be prepared with guns to be able to survive has a fundamental flaw because clearly for some reason it’s citizens don’t feel safe.
Now you can state how many times you want that you feel safe but the fact that you argue that you need to be armed and trained and hope you never have to fight clearly indicates that you expect that in your lifetime you will have to fight for your own life.
Myself i’ve never even thought about me or my family getting attacked.
There are alot of factors counting when it comes to crime and the social ones are the most important factors, but if you have a poor part of your country with no guns you’ll still have the same amount of crime as if you had guns but with the difference that the place with alot of guns will have more shootings.
It is being able to protect yourself and, again, it’s not being able to feel safe but being allowed a chance to fight for your life.
But clearly if you felt safe you wouldn’t feel the need to have a gun to defend yourself. A person feling safe wouldn’t even think about needing a gun to be able to defend himself/herself. Just ask yourself why you would feel the need to have a gun if you felt safe? If it’s because you like guns or are in a shooting club or something then that’s something completely different, but if you buy a gun for protection then i find it hard to believe you feel safe.
“in Switzerland itās for hunting and recreational use.” – Leffe
Actually, I was rather under the impression that the reason was national defense: that guns were kept in the homes by Swiss militia members (almost all the adult males in Switzerland) because Switzerland is a rather difficult area to defend with a large standing army, due to Switzerland’s low population and difficult terrain. I seem to recall that Switzerland’s militia have been a rather effective deterrent to foreign invasion for a considerable part of Switzerland’s history, too.
You are quite correct about the fact that their militia have their guns issued to them by the government and that the majority of the male population there is in the militias. There is however a huge difference between buying a gun for the reason of protecting your family and being issued a gun by the government to defend your country.
The Swiss are not only just given a gun either they are in militias and gets training and have to serve a sertain amount of time each year.The entire swiss community is wastly different than the American one and can thuss realy not be compared. As i’v stated on other posts crime is realy not dependant on guns but on the society. There is a clear link between social unequality/powerty and crime rates that have noting to do with guns. It is quite clear that the Swiss people also have a completely different mindset than the Americans and are taught social responsibility in a way Americans are not.
So again i ask you what’s the reason for your guns? The swiss have them to defend their country and because it’s such a small country in a place where the neighbouring countries has such a militant history it is clearly waranted due to the fact that their population is not big enough to have a professional army able to defend them. USA however is not at all in the same situation. You have a massive Army and nuclear weapons too so you clearly don’t need an armed population to deterr a possible invading force.
So from my standpoint i still haven’t heard a single valid argument for your liberal gun laws.
Btw i’m from Sweden and we have alot of guns too, i myself is a member of our version of militia(HemvƤrnet as we call it) and have an automatic rifle issued to me. So as you probably understand i’m not against guns in general but i am against everyone being able to own/carry handguns as i don’t see any good reason for it.
“There is however a huge difference between buying a gun for the reason of protecting your family and being issued a gun by the government to defend your country.” – Leffe
The only difference is that the Swiss citizens answer to their government, and the U.S. government answers to me.
“So again i ask you whatās the reason for your guns?…. You have a massive Army and nuclear weapons too so you clearly donāt need an armed population to deter a possible invading force.” – Leffe
And when my government turns on me, who will defend me, if I will not defend myself? And governments have ALWAYS turned on their citizens – the United States government is no better, no purer, no holier than any other government in the history of the world. Given the freedom and an excuse to do so, my government would as gladly rob, rape, imprison, torture, and murder my family and my people as any other government or criminal organization (and under the veneer of civilisation, that is what any government really is.)
“So from my standpoint i still havenāt heard a single valid argument for your liberal gun laws. Btw iām from Sweden and we have alot of guns too, i myself is a member of our version of militia(HemvƤrnet as we call it) and have an automatic rifle issued to me. So as you probably understand iām not against guns in general but i am against everyone being able to own/carry handguns as i donāt see any good reason for it.” – Leffe
Do what you please – and what your government permits you to – in your country: your government has granted you permission to carry its arms so long as you answer to it, and that’s fine with me so long as those arms are not pointed in my direction.
I see every reason for peaceful and law-abiding people to own and carry the best arms their money can buy, and I am completely for every law-abiding citizen in my state being able to keep and bear arms against any individual or organization that would use force against them.
“And when my government turns on me, who will defend me, if I will not defend myself? And governments have ALWAYS turned on their citizens ā the United States government is no better, no purer, no holier than any other government in the history of the world. Given the freedom and an excuse to do so, my government would as gladly rob, rape, imprison, torture, and murder my family and my people as any other government or criminal organization (and under the veneer of civilisation, that is what any government really is.)”
Are you actually serious? If you are you’re striking me as paranoid. The likelyhood of your country “turning” on you is so small it’s close to nill. Unless ofcourse you decide to become a criminal. I am not sure what you mean with your statement that government have always turned against it’s citizens. As a matter of fact i’s say there are very few democratic countries that has happened the last 100 years or so.
And even if that happens armed civilians would not be a deterrant against them doing what they wanted and unless you would be able to organize a massive force of civilians(and the likelyhood of that is very small) your resistance would most likely only lead to you being killed as you even if you have all the guns you’d like would stand no chance against trained troops.
The statement “Given the freedom and an excuse to do so, my government would as gladly rob, rape, imprison, torture, and murder my family and my people as any other government or criminal organization” leads me to believe you’re quite paranoid. There is no reason what so ever to believe such a thing and the fear of your government going dictatorship and the belief that citizens carrying guns is the only thing that’s preventing it(or that it would somehow discourage a possible dictator) is probably the most silly argument for liberal gun laws i have ever hear.
Everyone who complains on internet sites, DIE IN A FIRE ALREADY!!!!!!
P.S GUN MOUNT IS AWESOME \o/
dude this is a win!
The fact that you even think that at one point you will need a gun to defend yourself is a fail that stands on its own. It means you think it will eventually happen that a criminal will stand in your bedroom threatening your family.
Just an idea… install a burglar alarm!
And second amendment blablabla…
Really? You are making arm keeping an bearing just by quoting some rights that have been written down over 200! years ago? REALLY?
“You are making arm keeping an bearing just by quoting some right that have been written down over 200 years ago? REALLY?”
A good idea remains a good idea, even if it’s old.
I mean, under your logic, we may as well just throw concepts such as habeas corpus, common law, freedom of speech, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, and what not just because they are over 200 years old.
As for a burglar alarm, what if that doesn’t scare a criminal away?
As for calling the police, how long do they take to get there to help you?
Your comment is a real fail.
If someone enters your home with the intent to harm yourself or your family owning a gun will be useless in 99% of the cases because you will not be ready while the attacker comming to kill you is.
Now it might help you against a theif making sounds in your home and waking you(liklyhood of such a person harming you or your family is extreamly low) but it’s useless for someone coming with the intent to harm you unless you’re already at 100% readyness(holding a loaded gun knowing the person is comming) and the chance of that happening is next to zero.
So for me it’s quite clear that if someone is comming to kill you you’re screwed anyway and if it’s just a burglar you’ll easily chase them away with a baseball bat. So i realy don’t see how a gun would help the average person wheras i see a higher risk of criminals getting guns with your type of gunlaws compared to most other countries.
And yes i know you can still do harm without a gun but that argument is very flawed because of the ammount of damage you can do unarmed or having a knife etc is so much lower than what you can do with guns. You would never get a Columbine situation with knives, bats, rocks etc now would you?
And also about the rights thing. The majority of democratic countries do not have the right to bear arms but they still have the other freedoms you speak of so to think that removing the right to bear arms suddenly would turn your country into a opressed dictatorship or to think it would lead to the loss of your other rights is totaly unrealistic and an invalid argument to keep the right to bear arms.
There are no links what so ever between your right to bear arms and the commonly accepted human rights(such as freedom of speach) and the reasoning for freedom of speech and other rights still hold while there is absolutely no reason for you to have the ability to form local militias anymore(and that was the reason for the right to bear arms).
if someone comes into your house with the intent to harm, you will hear them, and have your gun at your side of the bed ready to kill them… and the whole gun ownership if everyone has a gun and i mean EVERYONE in a town, and they all ALL know how to shoot it, then what threat is a criminal, because by the time they do something someone will have a gun pointed at them, and the criminal knows they will not miss…
What makes you think you’re going to hear someone breaking in? Most homeinvasions doesn’t get noticed and if the person is there with the intent to harm you he/she would be careful and ready to kill you while you would be asleep, even if you woke up as they entered your bedroom you would still not be quick enough to react. just as a soldier with arms at the ready will still be at a disadvantage if ambushed but even more so since you will most likely be asleep or just awoken.
You do ofcourse realize that most murders are commited by someone who knows the victim and quite alot of it is domestic violence of some sort. Now add guns to this and you get a mess.
About the thing about everyone carrying a gun i’d just say that that would mean every bad guy would too. Do you think an addict wouldn’t rob to get his next fix? Ofc he would but now he’d shoot you dead the first thing he does because he knows you got a gun and wouldn’t take the chance of letting you use it.
Lolz, Michael Moore was right!
This isn’t a fail. The point of gun ownership is to make bad guys worried about trespassing on private property. If they know you have to open a safe in another room, or worse that homes are unarmed, they won’t be worried. It’s the pervasive attitude that inspired this product that keeps criminals afraid of ALL homes, even though liberals hate gun ownership. Don’t worry, conservatives will expect derision for keeping you safe instead of the thanks a grown-up would give.
Not realy, what it does is making it so much easier for the average criminal to get a hold of their own gun and that fact leads to normal law abiding citizens fearing criminals even more. More guns doesn’t affect the nuber of crimes much(either positive or negative) but it does change the type of crimes to alot more violent ones. If guns realy were that great for you your crime rate would be very low but it isn’t. USA have one of the highest murder rates of all the developed democratic countries. Now please note that i said developed and democratic so don’t go comparing with some third world country or a dictatorship somewhere so clearly all your guns isn’t working or are you telling me that USA would be completly lawless country without all those guns? i’d think not.
Erhm, do you Americans even need a locker for your guns?
I see no fail in this. Dude, I actually need to get one of those! Shot guns don’t fit in your nightstand very well.
I don’t see the fail here. What good does a shotgun do you during a midnight burglary if its across the house in a gun safe?
that’s why you keep a handgun with a few mags under the mattress
I think its pretty neat, I’d even get one if it wasn’t near $40. It looks simple enough I could probally make one.
OMG tears in my eyes xD i went ROFL at the line “many customers buy one for each side of the bed” XD OMG FAAAAILLL
it killed me also … XD
that’s one the worst products I’ve ever seen
I disagree with those who say ‘thats not a fail, thats a win’ That is most definitely a fail, paying $40 bucks for THAT!! aside from it putting the gun in one of the first places Robber Ralph looks for guns, it also puts it some where that it is extremely easy to get to and blow a friendly’s head off. If you live alone, go ahead and make one. but for buddy Pete’s sake- put a sign on the door that says “knock before entering after 6:00PM”
“Aside from putting the gun in once of the first places Robber Ralph looks for guns, it also puts it some where that it is extremely easy to get to and blow a friendly’s head off.”
You shouldn’t be talking as it’s obvious you have no experience with guns.
1. You place the gun on the rack when you go to bed. When you wake up, make it a habit of taking the shotgun off the rack, unloading it, and then securing the gun and ammo by locking it up in a place that is inaccessible to unauthorized persons, such as a competently made and properly installed gun safe.
2. Easy access saves time. Your adversary will not wait for you to get ready.
3. You won’t blow a friendly’s head off if you IDENTIFY FIRST BEFORE YOU SHOOT! This is basic gun safety and your ignorance of that shows you give yourself more credit than you deserve on the topic.
But, I do agree on one thing: $40 is a rip-off, especially if you have the ability to build it yourself for less.
I’m a liberal and I believe entirely in the right to bare arms. It’s a freedom, just like speech. In most areas keeping a firearm beside your bed is not wholly necessary but if it makes someone feel safer than they should have the right to do it. Even with this I still feel this item is a fail. The amount of time it saves is minimal compared to just keeping the gun in an easy area in the closet or a higher area. Expanding on this if you truly want a weapon you can grab from bed it would be easier to get a handgun and keep it inside a drawer or night stand next to the bed. If you think it’s necessary for it to be a shotgun than you drastically underestimate the power a gun has and you may even be unfit to handle something so dangerous. Looking at it from a comical angle the next thing we’ll see is an unmanned turret with motion sensing and a mounted R.P.G.
The problem with a handgun is that the rounds can go through walls, even hollowpoints depending on the circumstances. What if a shot you make misses, goes through a wall and hits someone you didn’t intend to hurt?
Now, a handgun is better than no weapon at all, but the ideal weapon against a home invader is going to be a shotgun loaded with buckshot because, while you have devastating close quarters damage, there’s no over-penetration risk as shotgun pellets are designed to spread out.
Where’s the fail in this product? Did someone die from it?
Personally, I don’t see the point of the title of this fail. It mentions nothing about safety and if your kids are dumb enough to play with toys that aren’t theirs, then they fail!
And with a comment like that i hope you don’t have or ever will have children of your own.
Whoever submitted or posted this did a little creative editing to make it look far worse. I have seen this commercial elsewhere, and it has a little warning attached at the end. “This product is not intended for use in homes with children.” At its best, this is unfortunate behavior, at its worst it is materially misleading.
Pure win. Even with the editing to make it look bad, it’s still win. Has me wanting one.
Agreed. My choice of “worse” was unfortunate, because I think this is a good idea. It just carries the “handgun on the headboard” idea to a logical, and more effective place.
Case and point:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8424836.stm?ls
I do not own a gun. I don’t feel that comfortable around them because I don’t often shoot them, though I have. Having said that, however, I do believe that people do have the right to bear arms. However (again), This is a huge and giant fail fail fail because some people think it actually necessary. What does this say about our nation (or our grasp of reality…for all those small-town people who really don’t need something like this for protection). Admittedly, some areas necessitate having “protection” close at hand, but what I want to know is the rate of aggressive break-ins compared to the rate of accidental in-home shootings (especially by children).
While I realize this was uploaded for a few laughs, it has sparked a serious and complex conversation. Guns or not? For me, no. For you, maybe. But first ask what is the risk? What is the risk having guns in the house? Having guns not in a locked case of some sort? Having loaded guns (locked? not locked)? What is the risk keeping a loaded, unlocked gun by a bedside, easily knocked into by a sleepy adult or grabbed by a child? What, I ask just once more, is the risk?
Did I stumble onto GTA IV? ‘Cuz this looks like something that would be in GTA IV.
this is definitely not a fail. this is a win. people laugh at this until the day they wish they had one.
I say thats an Epic WIN.
man thats sick.
i would wanna live a place where u have to live like that.
just… shamWOW :O
This would never air in the north.
That was so…american!!
Worried about safety? BUY A DOG!!!!
I thought the funny part was the beginning, when the announcer said. “Over one hundred billion Americans…”
Logistics first, jokes last… (I hope this long post’s linebreaks actually work. It’s easier to read that way…)
1.) Re: Legality
Firearms, in many states are required to be under lock and key… and remain unloaded until such a time as they are being prepared for immediate use. (New York is extremely strict about their gun laws and California requires every firearm to have an approved locking device on them or be put into a locking gun safe.) In most states, this product would be illegal.
This gives us a “Legality Fail”.
2.) Re: Design
Hope you don’t move while you sleep, the rack doesn’t look to be designed that sturdily unless you’re a ‘bigger person’ or have lead for a mattress. If it’s not a metal rack to counterbalance the weight of a loaded shotgun, it’s plastic and has the high potential of breaking after a while of being slept on; even through a mattress. Oh! Let’s not forget the covers that ‘hide’ it… If you’re in a rush to get to it, who’s to say you don’t fumble on the grab because of your plush comforter in the way, or knock it off and out of reach because it isn’t a ‘secure’ holster for a shotgun; admittedly by “design”. (“The product is intended to act as a holster for a firearm at the user’s bedside and does not contain any safety devices or features to prevent accidental or intentional discharge of the firearm, nor is it designed to secure the firearm against use by unauthorized persons.”)
Hence, we can garner a “Design Fail” from all of this.
3.) Advertising Fail/Contradiction Win:
From their own Terms of Use page. You’ve seen the ad, you’ve read all the arguments for and against the product here. So what do they tell you on their site?
-”Follow all instructions. You could hurt yourself of die.”
-”Don’t shoot a firearm that it is still mounted in the product. You could hurt yourself or die.”
-”Don’t use this thing in a home with kids or mentally impaired people.” (Guess I can never drink then! Oh darn!)
-”Children are attracted to and can operate firearms.” (Like monkeys and bananas or cats and catnip, kids flock to guns and bullets, y’know. ;D)
-”Never keep firearms loaded until ready to use, always secure firearms with an appropriate locking device while storing to prevent unauthorized use, and store ammunition in a separate, secure place.” (Okay, so doesn’t that kinda sorta maybe defeat the *entire* purpose of me spending my $40 on your product?)
-”Never store a loaded firearm in the product.” (But wait. Then how do I shoot the robber climbing in my window? D: )
-”Never leave a firearm unattended in the product.”(Wait. Isn’t it technically ‘unattended’ if you’re asleep? O_o; )
4.) Warning Wins?
Oh c’mon, it says *right on the order screen* that you have to be “over 18 years of age to order” and that it’s “not intended for use in homes with children”! So just go ahead, order it, get a dog, and keep that shotgun handy for when those Left-Wing Nutjobs invade your bedroom at 2 in the morning!!
(If you actually go to that website, there’s an added Bonus:
“ALL RESIDENTS OF HOUSEHOLDS CONTAINING THE PRODUCT SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THE PRESENCE OF THE PRODUCT AND WARNED OF THE HAZARDS OF ITS MISUSE.”)
5.) Disclaimer Win/Fail?
Basically: “You agree, by buying this thing, that we’re not to blame for your own stupidity in handling this product. You will not expect us to give you any money or acknowledge you beyond shipping you this product. We’ve also covered our rears by wording this thing so that even if your drunken, fat cousin bounced on the bed and broke the frame of this thing that we hold the right to make you buy a new one in the future. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MONEY!”
6.) Name Wins!
What about my puppy that barks all hours of the night so I’d never hear someone coming in? I want that bundle! Pleeeease!?
Oh! Love the hyphen in the product name! So very classy! ;o Also that Company name, “Home BackUp Protection”. That means this entire thing isn’t meant to be your *primary* protection right? Do I get a bundle deal if I have a Broadview Security System to blare me awake first?
Now you can easily and accesibly kill your husband/wife in the most convenient times!…
Wow, Matt! I don’t even WANT to know what goes on in your bedroom that makes you and your significant other want to shoot each other every night! Beware, Matt: she might suffocate you with a pillow, choke you with a bedsheet, or poison you while you sleep! (And I hope I didn’t give you any ideas by mentioning that….)
Maybe being within arms reach of guns, knives, hammers, chainsaws, or any other tools instantly turns YOU into a red-eyed screaming ghoul, but I think I have more faith in the stability of the vast majority of the people I know.
BOTH SIDES OF THE BED! Because you don’t want the missus to miss out in executing the robber.
they put the guns on backwards
*kid comes in room in middle of night screaming*
“Mommy, Daddy! There’s a monster under my-” *BLAAAAM*
oops…
I am all for right to bear arms, but this seems like a really bad idea…