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Corduroy skirts are a sin
Homosexuality is a sin, Christ can set you free!

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  1. a ghost of an idea says:

    That's just too much, methinks.

  2. chez says:

    Counter-protesting: the fine art of taking all the hot air out of your enemies’ tires.

  3. Gizmo says:

    xDDD thats horrible…

  4. ¡Great Scott! Me transmitte sursum, caledoni says:

    Taffeta can set you free!

  5. JMixx says:

    It’s aaaallll a matter of interpretation.

  6. Arthur Eld says:

    Are all homosexuals imprisoned and only Christ has the keys?

  7. OI says:

    Thats right, keep repping Syracuse University bchez!

  8. BoppitybopBopper says:

    His sign is just FAB-U-LOUS!! Snap! I love those colors. ;)

    She doesn’t seem to know what to do with that kind of fashion advice.

    *morningsqueezes*
    *keptsqueezesgentleandnonintrusiveforthehardtowake*

  9. Arthur Eld says:

    Enlighten me, Americans: Is it normal in the US to just stand around with a protest sign? Alone? Somewhere?

  10. rab3 says:

    For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

    Gen 2:24

  11. Mentos says:

    I like how she is trying to figure out what his sign says.
    “Does that say Cordu… Yep… ah crap.”

  12. sMarko says:

    This is great! She wakes up every day and makes a concerted effort to look stupid, while HE has the fashion sense to prove it!

  13. stephen young says:

    I can prove the existence of corduroy, but not christ.

  14. Leila - Used IgnoreButton™ Adorned Fairy Lights and Glitter says:

    Who will save all the judgmental cretins on this earth if Christ’s time is allotted to homosexuals?

    :shock:

  15. Tim says:

    She’s not advocating violence or using “hate-speech,” simply making a statement about what the Bible says. Maybe you don’t agree with it, but that doesn’t change anything.
    He, on the other hand, appears to be an idiot.

    Where’s the win in this?

    • Little Girl Blue >ZAP!< Dot Org says:

      You have to look deep within the win to see the win. Beeeeee the win. Close your eyes. Concentrate.

      ...concentrate...
    • Nebton says:

      If I held a sign saying “shellfish are an abomination”, that would be simply making a statement about what the Bible says. If I held that same sign outside of Long John Silvers, you might suspect I had an ulterior motive.

      I suspect she has an ulterior motive, and it’s driven by hatred/intolerance.

    • Jasonz says:

      actually, the bible says zero about homosexuality. She’s repeating her interpretation. She’s stating her opinion, he’s stating his.

      • LovePony says:

        You are mistaken. The bible has quite a bit to say about homosexuality, actually:

        Leviticus 18:22 (NIV)
        Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

        Leviticus 20:13 (NIV)
        If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

        Romans 1:26-27 (NIV)
        Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

        1 Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)
        Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

        • Humm. says:

          Shouldn’t the Bible be a book about the love of God and Jesus and stuff like that? Not about killing gays, like in that Leviticus 20:13 you posted.

    • nn says:

      You can apply that same lame argument to cord skirts being a sin, because he thinks so, so therefore his making a point of telling everyone else this.

      Believe or not, there is a whole world out there where most people are not Christian, don’t give a shit what Christians think and don’t want Christians beliefs enforced onto them. It’s always Christians that have this narrow minded view that the world evolves around their religion.

  16. OT- I am upset I can’t put a hat on my Avatar- I cut part of my head off…..grumbles.

  17. 5 eagles C.C.C. says:

    The woman looks hurt. The kid is an a$$.

    • Ryannon says:

      I understand better and better.

    • Truth says:

      Marriage is between a man and a woman. She’s right. He’s out of line.

    • nn says:

      No she doesn’t, she just looks braindead. She’s gone out of her way to deliberately offend homosexuals, whom she doesn’t have to have anything to do it. She’s wants to provoke reaction, and that’s what she got: A taste of her own medicine.

      • LovePony says:

        Or perhaps she sincerely believes that they are headed for disaster and she is trying to reach out to them that there is hope in Christ. Perhaps she’s not as ill-itentioned as you make out.

        • tyberius says:

          Perhaps. But I can’t help noticing that out of all the sins in the Bible she chose to picket about this one. I mean come on, it’s not in the Ten Commandments, it’s not in the Seven Deadly Sins, so in terms of priority, it should be way down on a Christian’s list of sins to picket about. On her way to the campus, didn’t she run into any night clubs, sex shops, jails, other religions’ temples or any other places where sinners and heathens congregate?

          I have to think her primary motivation is homophobia, and the Bible only serves to enable her to act it out.

          • LovePony says:

            Well, speculating from what I read in the article about how her cohort has experience with “ex-homosexuals” and bringing them to Christ I am guessing that helping people with this particular sin is their ministry or ‘area of expertise’ so to speak.

            If someone doesn’t believe in God then they wouldn’t care that their actions are sinful. If however they do believe in God then they are probably already aware that their actions are sinful and she is trying to reach out to them with her best intentions.

            • Joshua says:

              I believe in God and am gay… and spent years in prayer and self-loathing because of the way the church and others treated me for being different (why the hell would I choose to be gay in a small town in Texas?). I have come to the conclusion that it was only me who hated myself for being gay. I don’t believe that the way my mind was chemically developed in the womb, even if off from the norm, is a sin. When I sin, lying telling a lie, I choose to do that sin. How my mind chemically reacts to the world is not a choice and I know God would not force a sin one a child, since sin can only be committed by free will.

              • LovePony says:

                Joshua, while you may have a stronger predisposition toward homosexuality than most, I’m afraid science has shown that environment plays a role in developing homosexuality. To again quote from “Psychology Themes & Variations,” a first year Psychology text book used in secular universities:

                “The behavioral genetics data suggest that the hereditary predisposition to homosexuality is not overpowering. Environmental influences of some kind probably contribute to the development of homosexuality”

                But take heart, Christ overcame sin. You are free from your sin if you believe :)

                And no, I am not suggesting that if you still have homosexual inclinations you must not be saved by Christ. Everyone is tempted by sin friend, creation itself is tainted by sin, and even those who believe fall to sin. But Christ gave his life to cover our sin past, present, and future.

                I’m sorry to hear you were treated so terribly by your church and others.. You are no more a sinner than any of them. We all fall short of perfection.

  18. Larry B. says:

    I’m 2 fail fails away from removing failblog.org of my RSS. way too boring.

  19. Sir Robin says:

    Let’s not call it a “WIN” when someone makes personal attacks against the messenger whenever he can’t come up with a sensible argument against the message. Really, it’s a huge FAIL for humanity, integrity, reason, decency, ….

    • Arthur Eld says:

      Because she did not make a personal attack? Sorta?

      • AferVentus says:

        Not just “sorta”. Her sign doesn’t say “homosexual sex is sin”; it says “homosexuality is sin”. That is, the wording of the sign encompasses both acts and underlying feelings of attraction even if not acted upon, so she’s attacking people for who they are and what they feel; not just for what they do. Even those who think biblical prohibitions on certain sexual behaviour should carry weight will find nothing in the Bible condemning people in the way this sign does.

        • DeepInTheHeart says:

          I agree with the nuance in your viewpoint. Feeling tempted to do something is not a sin.
          I just think if you condemn one sin you have to condemn them all. Why is it people feel a need to pick at other peoples’ sins and not mind their own?

          Whatever happened to, “God so loved the world. . .?” Yeah just put on that rainbow wig and get your John 3:16 on, baby! Tell the Good News.

    • Admiral Apparent says:

      Agreed, she shouldn’t have started the personal attack.

    • Ryannon says:

      Could it be that the guy is gay and he is offended at her sign? Yet he has no right to attack back?

      • The Moomin says:

        She’s voicing an opinion, no matter how misinformed you may consider it to be.

        He’s attacking her personally rather than arguing that homosexuality is not a sin.

        • BoppitybopBopper says:

          Maybe he truly hates Courdory. Maybe he had a horrible experience as a child due to courdory. Maybe his parents brought him up to believe that courdory is bad and evil. Why are his opinions and belief’s less valid than hers?

        • Arthur Eld says:

          I think it’s a little more than “voicing an opinion” when you bring God, Christ, hell and all that into it. “I don’t like homosexuals” would be an opinion, but that? Insinuating that Christ can somehow “cure” your homosexuality?

          I know I would feel attacked by that sign if I was gay.

          • Admiral Apparent says:

            I feel attacked by that sign and I am not gay.

          • The Moomin says:

            His response is soley to insult her, not enter reasoned debate or challenge her beliefs.

            • Arthur Eld says:

              I’d say ridicule her, but yeah, you’re right about his sign. I think your judgement about her sign is wrong. Maybe she didn’t mean to insult anyone, but I can totally understand if gays (or non-gays like AA) feel insulted by it.

              Plus, his sign is about a dress – could have been worse. “She’s a bitch” wouldn’t have been funny.

              • Ryannon says:

                But “She’s a bitch in a sinful corduroy skirt” is another story altogether.

                • Mouse says:

                  Her sign has nothing to do with reasoned debate. Fighting crazy with crazy may not be mature, but it has as good a chance of being effective as trying to use logic and reason against the trappings of religion.

                  His sign could be a tool for reasoned debate. If she were to look at his sign and open the conversation with “Your sign is ridiculous and hurtful.” He could counter with, “Yes, so is yours, for precisely the same reasons.” She would most lilely refuse to see the parallel, though because she’s not looking for debate.

                  Don’t pretend her sign is not an attack. She’s targeted a specific class of people.

            • BoppitybopBopper says:

              But her attach goes to the core and lifestyle of a large group of people that have already been persecuted. He made a superficial statement trying to combat a hurtful thing with a little humor. Was it nice? Maybe not. But if you are going to put yourself forward to make statements about others, you invite statements for yourself. Would the statement she made be worse if it said that being Jewish is a sin? It’s either a choice or something you are born into. Why is it acceptable that she judge because she feels differently?

              • TMI Service says:

                Through the centuries and still today, sentiments like those proclaimed by the woman in this picture have gotten homosexuals killed.

                The same cannot be said by the parody effected by the man in this picture.

              • The Moomin says:

                The point being argued is not whether her sign is right or wrong, but whether it is a “win” to respond to it with a sign attacking her personally, rather than air your views about what she is saying.

                “Don’t listen to her, she wears dumb dresses” is not a win as a response.

                • Avis says:

                  How about this angle, homosexuality is about as much of a sin as corduroy is. In other words, he could be pointing out the absurdity of her sign.

                  • jam says:

                    I see what Moomin is saying. He doesn’t agree with her sign at all, I can assure you of that. But if it’s her right to believe in God and everything in the bible, then it’s surely her right to believe her own sign. The guy is mocking her for her beliefs.
                    Whether it’s right or wrong to display such a sign is another issue.

                    • Avis says:

                      Her sign is mocking a whole group of people, not for their beliefs, but for something that is part of them. Something that just is. Her sign might as well say “brown eyes are a sin”.

                      • The Moomin says:

                        She did not seek out a homosexual, or someone with brown eyes to stand beside.

                        • Avis says:

                          But I’d be willing to bet she’s standing outside of a gay bookstore or a church with a gay minister. Or maybe even a clinic known to treat AIDS patients. Her sign is an act of hostility. Granted, he is responding with equal hostility.

                        • The Moomin says:

                          So based on an assumption of yours, you’d defend his hostility?

                        • Nebton says:

                          I’d argue his hostility is less because no one’s ever been killed for wearing corduroy (as far as I know).

                        • Avis says:

                          Not particularly, but I’m much more likely to take his side in this particular debate.
                          And are we assuming that the guy is gay? How can we tell?
                          My assumption about where she is standing is based on seeing where other like-minded protesters have picketed.

                        • BoppitybopBopper says:

                          Actually, you can see that there’s a hospital on the corner. There is an ambulance in front of the building.

                          I think they both have the right to their signs. Do I like them? Not really. Her sign is saying that her choice is right and they can be “fixed” so they will agree with her. His sign is more direct and focused. Either way, they are being unkind to people they don’t know and don’t care to try to understand. If I had a sign, it would say, “Kindness and understand are always welcome.” But that’s my opinion, choice, belief, or whatever else you want to call it.

                        • Anonymous says:

                          Actually, she kind of did “seek out a homosexual”. She’s standing outside the student center (and some academic buildings, and the ‘hospital’ is the health center) at Syracuse University, which is ranked as one of the LGBT-friendliest campuses in America. So I don’t think it’s a coinicidence that her and her husband were standing there instead of some equally public, high-traffic area downtown or even a few blocks over.

                          Basically, the kid said something along the lines of “She thought it was OK to come on my campus and make me uncomfortable, so I thought I’d turn the tables for once.” His sign wasn’t really a personal attack so much as satire, and he later added “Ask a gay, we can help!” to it. This lady and her husband drew a crowd of almost 100 counter-protesters, mostly holding non-personal signs like “Honk for gay rights!” or “We gave you Glee.” Surprisingly, there were no screaming or shouting matches reported, and it all peacefully dispersed sometime late that night. (Incidentally, she was protesting on private university property, and protesters who might cause a disturbance are usually asked to move to public property across the street)

                      • jam says:

                        But she is entitled to her opinion on this subject which is clearly forbidden in her little world. It is her right to believe every word in His book. I never said her opinion was rational.

                        • Ryannon says:

                          But he has just as much right to his opinion on fabric as she does to her opinion on homosexuality. He is not attacking her, just her choice in fabric. I am sure he thinks she is pretty and would look quite fetching with out that corduroy skirt on.

                        • Avis says:

                          If she’s entitled to an opinion, so is he. However ridiculous either of those opinions might be.

                        • Avis says:

                          I’d like to take a moment to say that I think it’s pretty cool that we can have discussion about something that we don’t all agree on, without turning it into a knock-down- drag-out fight. So to speak.

                        • jam says:

                          That doesn’t seem to be an opinion so much as an insult. You can’t make a reasonable argument with insults.
                          Unless of course he really does believe that corduroy is a sin.

                        • Nebton says:

                          Both “opinions” both appear to be insults, and neither one is grounded on reason. His, of course, is parody of hers, which makes it more reasonable by default, IMO.

                        • Mouse says:

                          Maybe “Cotton-Polyester blend courdoroy skirts are a sin” was too long to fit on his sign. That’s not ridiculous, it’s in the Bible! Lev 19:19

                      • orange says:

                        This is actually at Syracuse University. Corner of Waverly and University Ave. The ambulances in the background are the university ambulance services. Here’s the story from the student newspaper (couldn’t put this after your other reply)

                        http://media.www.dailyorange.com/media/storage/paper522/news/2009/11/19/News/Students.Protest.AntiGay.Demonstrators.On.Waverly.Avenue-3836793.shtml

                    • The Moomin says:

                      *squeeze*

                      • Admiral Apparent says:

                        I understand your point, too, Moomin.

                        We have demonstrated that there are different ways to interpret and assign motive to this fail.

                        *squeeze*

                      • Arthur Eld says:

                        Took me awhile to understand your point, but I think I have now. Are you saying that, no matter what her sign says, he shouldn’t have reacted that way? If so, I’d say that the moral standard you request is higher than my own – which of course makes you right. As I said, I would have been tempted to react like he did (or even more aggressively) if I was gay.

                        And I agree with Avis – yay, we can discuss controversial without calling each other idiots!
                        *squeeze*

                • Admiral Apparent says:

                  There is a humo(u)r to be found in his sign, but not hers.

                  • The Moomin says:

                    So, it’s ok to rubbish someone’s beliefs as long as you’re funny doing it?

                    • Ryannon says:

                      Where has he attacked her beliefs? If his sign said “Christians are a sin” or something hateful about her beliefs, then he is attacking her beliefs. He isn’t even attacking her on his sign. She could easily walk away and he would still be there holding a sign saying corduroy is a sin.

                      • AferVentus says:

                        And lest anyone argue that anti-homosexual slogans are “just opinions”, search about the news sites for what’s going on in Uganda just now. With the open support of Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders there. And, reputedly, some organizations in the US too. Clickie for one report: note that if this bill passes, it will criminalize anyone – including family – who knows somebody is homosexual and doesn’t inform on them. And there are groups even in the US and other less repressive states to this day who believe that homosexual behaviour ought to be a capital offence, so to argue that this kind of placard is not offensive strikes me as hypocritical. If somebody is committed to a religion, s/he has every right to promote that religion. S/he does not have the right to engage in unanswered public attacks on other people. And satire and humour are among the best ways to draw the sting from attacks.

                        • AferVentus says:

                          Sorry to be so serious, but I have to wonder if anyone would be arguing “right to express an opinion” if the opinion was blatantaly racist or anti-religious? Fascism is a belief system. The (South African) National Party had clerics (several of whom went on to senior positions in government) who offered biblical arguments that apartheid was divinely ordained. Claiming a religious basis for a belief does not and should not give that belief exemption from criticism, of which satire – especially satire that consists of a concise reference to a comparable but rejected belief that could be held based on the same grounds as the belief being criticized – is one form.

                          Will now go for my sense of humour implant.

                    • owl says:

                      Irrational and hurtful beliefs NEED to be attacked if we are to move forward! We shouldn’t all play nice and pretend like these issues don’t exist for the sake of politeness – action needs to be taken against bigots like this despicable woman. There is this huge taboo surrounding the criticism of religion, whenever someone points out flaws in someone’s belief system they are instantly intolerant. I would not hesitate to ridicule this woman for her beliefs at all. How would you feel if the sign said being black is a sin? Would it then be different? Would you be allowed to criticise her then?

                • homoDM says:

                  Maybe wearing corduroy IS a sin?

                  I mean, the bible contains all kinds of archaic proscriptions against wearing blended fabrics, or planting different crops together, or touching this or eating that or letting a woman on the rag come within a quarter mile. It demands that brides be virgins, that sassy children be stoned to death, that a woman have sex with her brother-in-law if her husband dies before giving her children. It was written for goatherds, by goatherds, with little relevance to times as they are.

                  Naturally, most people do not live by the bible; instead, they pick and choose the parts that are convenient for them, and use those to feel better about themselves while passing judgment on others.

                  You cannot have reasonable discussions with people like the woman in the photograph. Her beliefs are not a function of logic or reason. To try to counter her sign with one about, I dunno, Jesus’ love for all would only serve to reinforce the Bible as some kind of moral authority.

                  I think the kid’s sign is cute. He’s obviously gay, and invoking his magical gay powers to comment on her poor fashion sense (which, when you think about it, is a lot nicer than telling someone they’re going to hell). And you can bet it made a lot of people smile, which is a WIN in my book.

                  I don’t feel bad for the woman at all, as I’m sure she enjoyed all the “persecution.” Christians love to feel oppressed, you know.

                  Happy holidays, everyone!

          • tyberius says:

            Yup.
            “I don’t like the way you live your life” is an opinion.
            “I have a big and strong friend who said he doesn’t like the way you live your life and he’s gonna beat you up if you don’t change it” is not an opinion, it’s a thinly veiled threat.

        • Ryannon says:

          I will refrain from getting on my soapbox but I will say this. When you are on the other end of a sign that attacks a group, regardless of how misinformed the person is, you take it personal. Nothing like having to walk through protesters carrying signs that condemn the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan while your son is in Iraq and you are walking into the recruiting station where your boyfriend works.

          • Leila - Used IgnoreButton™ Adorned Fairy Lights and Glitter says:

            Whether right or wrong, all I have to say is that I am happy I live in a country where you can voice your opinions.

          • Ms B ♥ says:

            I realize that as a religious person I’m kinda in a minority here. I have my beliefs and stand by them, for myself. However, I do not think it’s ok to push my beliefs on other people. No matter what. I think that it is a better idea to persuade people by example and love. Insulting others is not an effective means of communication, it only alienates those you are trying to talk to. Both signs have crossed that line. When we communicate with love and openness we are more likely to get our point across, and not shut off the lines of communication.

            • Ryannon says:

              *stands up and applauds*
              One of my best friends is a Mormon and I have always told her that she leads the best example because she is the happiest person I know and I am interested in what makes her so happy regardless of what is going on around her. It is her beliefs and I applaud that her beliefs bring her so much joy. I do not mock her and I do not belittle her but she in turn does not ram them down my throat or tell me I am going to hell every time I dance naked around a bonfire every third Thursday of the month.

              • Leila - Used IgnoreButton™ Adorned Fairy Lights and Glitter says:

                I grew up in an environment where we celebrated many religions — Islam, Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, etc.

                I am a non-practicing Catholic now which basically boils down to me being religion free. I won’t hesitate jumping someone’s throat and chocking them for ridiculing or harassing others for their beliefs however.

                My hat is off to you Ms B!!!

                • BoppitybopBopper says:

                  I am always willing to listen if people want to talk about their faith or beliefs. The more information I have, the closer I feel I am to the truth. What I’m not willing to do, however, is allow someone to tell me how wrong I am for not agreeing with them. No one but God really knows what’s absolute.

                  • BoppitybopBopper says:

                    God being any higher power for that person. Budda, Allah, Jesus, or whatever else guides you and your moral compass.

              • TMI Service says:

                The fellow who brings you “TMI Service” messages is, among other things, a minister IRL, and a religious scholar. He’s looked long and hard at the nature and history of human spiritual psychology.

                “Belief” is largely a modern, esp. Christian, thing. And it is something that has a huge potential to become a dogmatic, intolerant, interpretive decision about spiritual teachings’ meaning.

                It doesn’t have to be that way, though. As I hear in Ms B’s comment, we are on safest, and most humane and lovely ground, when we remember that belief can be, and should be (and originally is),* a matter of an opened heart, rather then a closed mind.

                _____
                *(“Belief” is etymologically related to “belove.”)

                • BoppitybopBopper says:

                  Amen preacher.

                • 5 Eagles says:

                  Spirituality brings man together and religion pulls them apart.
                  That is my take on what Ms B has said and what you just said TMI services.
                  Triple B’s looking at other faiths and view points help you to understand where you stand on your faith a check and balance system.

            • nn says:

              Why do you want to persuade people? That is pushing your beliefs. It’s so annoying and disrespectful when someone says you can come to talk to me about god after I just told them I’m an atheist. It’s like what I just said didn’t register and they can’t see beyond the scope of their culture. It’s a nuisance. How about respecting other people’s beliefs and lifestyles, including homosexuality and accept not everyone wants to live like you and have an interest in your beliefs.

        • homoDM says:

          It’s interesting that she’s “voicing an opinion” by castigating homosexuals, but he’s “attacking her personally” by expressing an opinion on corduroy skirts.

          I guess it’s okay to voice an opinion if you’re attacking a whole group of people. But calling out someone for their poor choice of clothing, well, that’s just taking it too far!

        • nn says:

          Err homosexuality is personal…

          Seriously, there’s a lot of feeble minded Christians roaming this website. What if she said Christians are evil? Or that she doesn’t like black people. What’s the difference? She entitled not to like an orientation, but to stick on a billboard that it’s an abomination and hold it in a street for everyone to see is saying homosexual shouldn’t be tolerated ad is not difference to racism.

          Btw, you fail at calling a belief an opinion.

          • LovePony says:

            It would seem the feeble minded one is yourself if you must use false analogies and semantic slanting to attempt to win an argument. She said ‘sin’ not ‘abomination.’ And her message is that she sincerely believes homosexuality is a sin (like any other) and that Christ can save them. Her intentions are not as malicious and empty as your “I don’t like black people” analogy attempts to suggest. To quote the article:

            “Love warns people. It would be unloving of me not to warn them,” he said. “God is the judge. There are going to be consequences. They can do that, but one day God is going to judge them, just like he will all of us.”

            Even if you don’t agree with them and think they are “feeble minded” they are still, from their perspective, sincerely trying to help people reach freedom from their sin.

            And besides: If one doesn’t believe in God why do they care if someome labels their choice a “sin” anyway?

            • LovePony says:

              PS: She also never said homosexuality shouldn’t be tolerated. That’s just putting your own spin on it.

              • Narm says:

                His analogies are more correct than you give credit for because being black, like being homosexual is an inherent trait whether or not you claim you’re “cured”. Their “sincere” attempts to save them are pointless because when you truely believe something, 20 people outside your house will do nothing other than instill anger into you and spread hate. So basically these attempt have the opposite effect that was hoped to reach. The reason we care if something that we do is labeled a sin is because that affects peoples opinion of us and that still matters. We are all entitled to an opinion. We are not all entitled to use our views to slander someone, intentionally or not.

                • LovePony says:

                  No, it is not an accurate analogy as, contrary to popular belief, homosexuality is not an “inherent trait” such as your skin color. While there genetic factors have been implicated in creating a predisposition towards homosexuality it in fact takes environmental factors (such as decisions or influences) to actually become homosexual. (Just as one may have a genetic predisposition to burn quickly in the sun it still takes an environmental factor to bring a burn about). To quote “Psychology Themes & Variations,” a first year Psychology text book used in many secular universities:

                  “The behavioral genetics data suggest that the hereditary predisposition to homosexuality is not overpowering. Environmental influences of some kind probably contribute to the development of homosexuality”

                  I’m also not sure where you read “cured” that you felt the need to quote it as it has not shown up anywhere in this thread. If that is your interpretation of her intention please drop the quotation marks. No one said they were trying to “cure” anyone.

                  And “20 people outside your house”? Are we talking about the same situation? Because from what I read of the news article this was outside of a university and involved two people, not twenty. Please check your facts.

                  And as for having your actions labelled a sin changing people’s opinions of you: Well, I hate to break it to ya, but even a cursory look through the bible will tell you that everyone is labelled a sinner whether we like it or not.

                  This is where I believe a lot of Christians go astray. They believe that homosexuality is some sort of super sin that is separate from all the rest. Well every sin is just like the other and everyone is guilty of at least one. Homosexuals are as guilty of sin as any pastor. But this is of course where the love of Christ comes in to pay the price for our sin and “set you free” :)

                  • Stefan says:

                    Erm, sorry, ‘environmental factors’ do not include personal descisions (like, ‘oh I think I’ll be.. GAY!’) – it means things like exposure to different amounts of certain chemicals in the womb, or maybe psychological stuff during development.

                    Let’s just be clear; no one chooses their sexuality. Yet, most people do choose their clothes.

            • tyberius says:

              ““Love warns people. It would be unloving of me not to warn them,” he said. “God is the judge. There are going to be consequences. They can do that, but one day God is going to judge them, just like he will all of us.””
              Okay, I’m sorry, but to someone who doesn’t believe in God, it just sounds like some crappy mafia movie threat. It’s like saying “I have this really powerful friend. You have heard about him, he’s well known around the neighborhood, and he doesn’t like the way you’re conducting your business. I wouldn’t have your best interest at hart if I didn’t warn you that this is gonna lead to consequences.”

              I don’t believe in her really powerful friend of course, but you can understand why this offends me anyway. In the immortal words of Captain Janeway, “I don’t respond well to threats.”

              Also, let’s not forget that people like her voted (and encouraged other people to vote) for Prop 8 in California and Prop 1 in Maine, thus demoting gays to second-class citizens, taking away their constitutional rights. So yeah, I think her actions are insulting and harmful in more ways than one.

    • Breesus says:

      Sorry, have you ever tried to reason with people who think that? I’m not sure “reason” is a word they even understand. He could use every sensibe argument in the book and $10 bucks she would say, ad nauseaum, that I read it in the Bible, my religion is better than yours and only I can speak for God, not you and therefore your reason means nothing.

    • Joshua says:

      Sir Robin…how about this argument?I believe in God and am gay… and spent years in prayer and self-loathing because of the way the church and others treated me for being different (why the hell would I choose to be gay in a small town in Texas?). I have come to the conclusion that it was only me who hated myself for being gay. I don’t believe that the way my mind was chemically developed in the womb, even if off from the norm, is a sin. When I sin, lying telling a lie, I choose to do that sin. How my mind chemically reacts to the world is not a choice and I know God would not force a sin on a child, since sin can only be committed by free will. Please don’t say I’m wrong just cuz the bible says so. It says a lot of odd things that we choose to ignore. I focus on the words of Christ in the bible.

  20. Admiral Apparent says:

    I celebrate myself, and sing myself,
    And what I assume you shall assume,
    For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you.

    Whoever degrades another degrades me,
    And whatever is done or said returns at last to me

  21. Suyalus says:

    she got pwnd :S

  22. danbo says:

    Stupid american bitch.

  23. Chaff says:

    Corduroy skirts are a win.

  24. Lis says:

    You could argue that the point he is trying to make is that the idea of a skirt being a sin is as ridiculous as the idea of homosexuality being a sin. Just saying.

  25. Sqwirk says:

    You are all f-in ignorant.

    Corduroy looks like wood, her skirt represents the cross.

    The original christian communities dressed entirely in corduroy. It’s not fashion, it is deeply religious commitment.

  26. Sofa King says:

    I bet she also wears white after Labor Day, that’s a MAJOR sin! (for which christ doesn’t forgive too easily) =P

  27. JMixx says:

    “And why beholdest thou the mote in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”–Matthew, V. 7

    It is my opinion that we would all be better served by working to get our own houses, and our own souls, in order, than to concern ourselves with whether or not others are “sinning.” Jesus called on Christians to spread the Good News of forgiveness and redemption, not to play tattle-tale by trying to label what others do as “sin.”

    Yeah, she has the RIGHT to hold whatever sign she wants, saying whatever she wants. So does he. How does her sign fulfill the Great Commission which she presumably believes in?

  28. NoneSuch says:

    What I’m confused by is where is she actually protesting? Has she actually taken it upon herself to stand about in a random street trying to spread hate? I’ve never got the idea of signs like that, do they geniunly think that a gay guy is going to see it and suddenly realize the errors of his ways and beg christ for forgivness? *Shrugs*

    Just seems like a waste of time for everyone.

  29. Drakkenfyre says:

    FTW!

    And done with, dare I say, style.

  30. ¡Great Scott! Me transmitte sursum, caledoni says:

    You’ve all got it backwards. He was protesting outside an Abercrombie & Fitch. She assumed he was gay based on his strong fashion convictions, and decided to protest him. :lol:

  31. Aja says:

    Is it 10am yet?

  32. Parma says:

    I stood across the street from some war protesters (waay back in 03) with a sign that said “Honk if you love corn on the cob”. They were so pissed, but couldn’t do anything cuz the cops were there. Eventually we had a whole group with many nonsensical signs that said things like “Happy Halloween”, “watch Num3ers”, “I like ice cream”.

  33. MutantG says:

    I was totally there! Syracuse University ftw

  34. DeepInTheHeart says:

    In all seriousness:
    The Bible says ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. He doesn’t just have his pet sins to condemn.
    I will agree that Christ saves, though. I’m glad to be forgiven! His love and grace are amazing.

  35. chris says:

    Considering this was at Syracuse University, she’d have been better off saying douchebaggery is a sin.

  36. Kya says:

    ha :D seen that picture on the Atheist Experience blog-site already

  37. cowpie says:

    OH, but if Christ does me, it’s not a sin!

    Giggity

  38. Nick says:

    Hahahaha God I love Syracuse University, I remember walking by this when it was going on! I damn near fell over laughing on the sidewalk!

  39. MitchZer0 says:

    In your face Shirly Phelps Rophard!

  40. KC says:

    In my world, Bad grammar is A sin, and maybe her Christ can teach her proper grammar. Such as the use of the article “a” before the noun “sin”, such as “Bad grammar is a sin”. Burn in hell, you uneducated Christian :P

  41. sophie says:

    The funny thing is, he’s actually right.

    The *bible* forbids blended fabrics in Deuteronomy (funny section), and corduroy is generally a wool/cotton blend :P

    • edc says:

      so, they’re both right.

      • tyberius says:

        Yup.
        Except for the fact that he doesn’t claim to follow the teachings in her favorite book. She does. So they’re both right, but only one of them is a hypocrite.

        • KiteX3 says:

          Apparently, someone hasn’t actually read much of the book that they’re criticizing people for “not following”.

          First of all, note the context of the verse. “‘Keep my decrees.
          ” ‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.
          ” ‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
          ” ‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.”
          The section seems to be summarized well with, “here’s some good advice, listen to it.” Two different kinds of animals won’t reproduce, so don’t try. Two different kinds of seeds in the field, and one will choke out the other, and it will be worthless, so don’t try. Garments made of two different materials will stretch differently over time and will ruin each other, so don’t try. (And, of course, not listening to it would be a sin, not respecting God — and stupid, in this case. It would be like if your father told you as a child not to touch the stove, and despite that you touched the stove. Not only would you be an idiot, you disrespect your father by not listening to him.)

          Second, the Old Testament civil and ceremonial law never applied to Gentiles; and, in addition, the Old Testament covenant of “do what I say” has been nullified. (Hebrews 8:7-13 speaks of this.)

          I’ll also note that two “fails” do not equal a “win”. Homosexuality, as in the genetic traits/mutations which make it up, is not a sin. It is homosexual activity that is considered the sin, not “being gay”.

          • tyberius says:

            I’m sure there are ways to explain the Bible to show that it says what you want it to say. I mean, between all the sub-sections and cross-references, and originals and translations, and exact words and intentions, you can basically deduce anything, for example I am certain that the kind of crazyness the Westboro Baptist Church is demonstrating, they would claim it comes from the bible.

            Which kinda leads to my point here: If I want to laugh at an idiot, I’m not gonna spend hours on end studying the ancient scriptures said idiot claims to be following.

          • reasoningwins says:

            Goddamit, my shirt is only 90% pure cotton. My jeans are part cotton, part lycra too. Oh well, good thing I’m not a christian :)

    • Spork-sama says:

      Screw you sophie, we are comment twins and I was totally going to say that! Screw you AND high five comment twin! High five!

  42. BWian says:

    chris save me or maybe george

  43. hs says:

    my alma mater = epic win

  44. fishyface says:

    That’s totally at Syracuse University. Don’t remember the street name, but the office of admissions is like 500 yards down the road

  45. Elle says:

    Love this so much. Great response to such a hateful and untrue message.

  46. Sunl says:

    Everything which are unnatual causes and can be get easily are sin. Celebrities | Nature

  47. Necron says:

    I reckon it’s a doctored photo

  48. granny says:

    someone should just bum her to death

  49. Josh says:

    What a WIN for F-A=Gs..This site is a FAIL

    • granny says:

      put on your corduroy skirt and cry about it

    • Josh's BF says:

      Guurl please, you know that jean dress goes with nothing. Stop trying to act like you dun know THAT! Psh, if she was wearing prada out on that corner then gurl lemme tell you, I wuld be out there to protesting becuz damn that be some hot shit. A jean dress thou forgets her.

  50. LeCielEstBleu says:

    Wow… did I really just spend about twenty minutes reading through all of this?
    Yes. Yes I did.

  51. William says:

    Should have read: “Christ can see you pee” at the bottom…

  52. evilmaniak says:

    the other sign should say chris can set you free lol

  53. Sulu says:

    Thats Syracuse University btw. Was totally there. I work right opposite the street…!

  54. A girl says:

    Good thing it was a cool homophobic!

    I don’t know about the shirt thing. I’d make out with her.

  55. Uber says:

    Screw you christ! Nothing wrong with gayness!
    That’s right! Her skirt is a sin!

  56. holly says:

    i love this :)

  57. some dude says:

    Win? looks like a double fail to me… retard christian woman thinking christ can save homos= fail, and retard homo who thinks christian woman cares about her apperance= fail. “god doesnt care what i look like so why should i?” haha

  58. MitchZer0 says:

    Shirly Phelps Roper is a sin.

  59. Browner87 says:

    Corduroy Pillows: They’re making head-lines.

  60. sayuri says:

    this guy is awesome!

  61. bran says:

    That’s just common knowledge. So are: rock music, loafers, public restrooms, bottled water, bathroom doors with locks on the inside, socks and sandals, skirts above the ankles, and taking a shower without your bathing-suit on.

  62. Kendra says:

    Well i guess im a half-sinner. LOL. But the look on that guy’s face was a total WIN!!! LOL!!

  63. isabel says:

    first i just wanted to beat that woman but then i noticed the guy’s smile. and this is much better. i think there should be more people like him in the world. keep going.


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