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Apparently you morons didn’t understand me the first time. I CANNOT take time off from work. I’m not putting my familys wellbeing at stake to participate in this crap. I don’t believe in our “justice” system and I don’t want to have a goddamn thing to do with it. Jury duty is a complete waste of time. I would rather count the wrinkles on my dogs balls than sit on a jury. Get it through your thick skulls. Leave me the f–k alone.
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I turn on my computer, I go into failblog and a new fail shows up. Great timing!
I turn on my computer, I go into failblog and a new fail shows up. New comments are there too. Great timing!
This guy is the man
Who? The jury duty guy or JasonK?
Or – even – R?
Obviously he means R, that guy is the bomb!
He wasn’t talking about us. -.-
Meh, personally i don’t think this is a fail… i can really relate to NOT wanting to be forced into doing jury duty… it’s lame
I would’nt want to be the one on trial when my neighbor that hates me volunteers for Jury duty… lol.
Honestly I think this guy and all of you that agree/relate to him ought to have your citizenships taken away. Mine wasn’t given to me, it was earned through 10 years of mine and my family’s hard work. I have no problem fulfilling any of the civic duties associated with it. It’s like this guy thinks other people don’t have jobs and families. Talk about morons with thick skulls..
10years of work for a citizenship? hell dude i was born with one
(im english and in england) your comment is invalid.
I think he means he had to work 10 years to gain US Citizenship, as he was not originally a US citizen.
And I agree with him. It’s your civic duty to be on the jury. Your employer is required to give you the time of with no repurcussions. Just fricking go.
I got called for jury duty twice..the first time I went but the second time we were really under pressure at work and I just COULDN’T go..simple as that. I had to write a more polite version of that post and get my employer to sign it. The really important question is this: is the jury system going to be improved by forcing a person that reluctant to serve? I think not.
While your employer is required to give you the time off,
there are always repurcussions. My dad is a carpenter, he is
paid by the hour. When he got called for jury duty, all his
employer was required to do was give him the day off, not
to pay for the hours that dad didn’t work. Dad didn’t get paid
for this day off, all he got was the pittance from the court
system.
“Your employer is required to give you the time of with no repurcussions. Just fricking go.”
yeah… but if he’s self-employed, what can he do?
*wholeheartedly agrees*
His civic duty? That’s pathetic. At least he understands what is
really important.
It’s not his fault the yankees have such a screwed up ‘justice’
system where random people who usually have no clue about the law,
and are usually easily manipulated, have to decide a person’s fate.
This person is clearly more intelligent than the average yankee, hence his annoyance with the retarded, lesser-intelligent sheep… Erh, ‘people’, who try to keep him from doing something really important.
dfgdfg: Immigration Regulation Understanding Fail.
I think dfg2 completely understands what immigration is.
He just means that most people don’t need to work for their citizenship, and therefore feel no such obligation.
I agree. It’s not like anyone WANTS to dr jury duty, or that he’s the ONLY ONE with a family to support. If you don’t want to participate in our government, then get the f**k out of my country
Civic duty? Yeah, then sh*t some money that is equivalent
to what I make in a day and then we’ll talk! He’s right!
The whole judicial system in the United States needs to be
overhauled. You want me to take a day off from work (oh,
and the employer HAS to let you off! However, they DON’T
have to pay you for it) and sit around to be picked for some
murder trial so it can be proven beyond the shadow of a
doubt that the defendant committed the crime, but in the end
he gets off on a technicality because someone didn’t read
him his miranda rights? That in itself is BS! It’s his freaking
job as a citizen to know them already! I shouldn’t have to
read them to him!
As it turns out, however, Mr. Slye’s Affidavit did not have EXACTLY the effect he had no doubt hoped for, because it resulted in the following Order from the Court:
CITATION FOR CONTEMPT
THE FREEDON AND LIBERTY THAT MR SLYE ENJOYS DEPENDS UPON THE VOLUNTARY SERVICE OF JURY DUTY, THEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED THAT ERIC SLYE BE AND REMAIN IN THE COUNTY JAIL FOR 20 DAYS OR UNTIL HE RECANTS HIS CONTEMPTUOUS CONDUCT IN OPEN COURT. MR. SLYE’S FAMILY MAY VISIT HIM ON WEEKENDS BUT HIS DOG SHALL STAY AT HOME UNMOLESTED BY THE DEFENDANT.
No repercussions?? They don’t have to pay you, and the
couple of dollars jury duty gives you is a joke.
10 years to become an American citizen… The boy was robbed! Could have come to UK and been living off benefits for the past 10 years like loads of folks! Doh!!
Problem is – Jurors get paid about enough to cover parking in most cities. It would not be so bad if at least someone on an hourly wage got compensated for time lost.
I can understand the guy’s frustration.
I think the fail is on the system.
System FAIL!
civic duty? meh!
people should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to do jury duty…
thats right, that is what i meant.
The entire American justice system is fail anyway, so why bother.
the employer has to give you the time off but it still cripples your paycheck. ugh, screw jury duty
repurcussions?
Yes, your employer is required to give you time off but they are
NOT required to pay you for it. If this person is at a wage based
job then obviously it would mean less money coming in for
missing a day of work. A bit strongly worded for my tastes but
I can sympathize with the writer’s sentiments
True, but you don’t get compensated properly. If the trial lasts a few weeks, you could go broke, miss mortgage payments, etc. It could have a serious impact on your family. I can see why anyone in a tight financial situation would be upset about.
Taste the rainbow.
yes mom
civic duty my ass. Its not always our choice to be US citizens. Screw that.
“just fricking go”
No, I do not agree with the current justice system, it has failed too many times, and I will not be part of something that has a chance to wrongfully put a innocent human in a metal cag
It’s funny to see the incredible amount of reply non-linked with the original comment…
some jobs are different and you can’t just have time off, for example someone who runs a small business
Read the letter – he cannot take time off without putting his family’s wellbeing at risk. You, as some putz on the internet, cannot know if this is not the case. Therefore, this is not a “civic duty” fail, but a COMPASSION fail on the part of certain commentators here.
That’s usually what happens. People who convert to
Catholicism usually make the best Catholics. Why wouldn’t
someone who had to work for citizenship and wasn’t born into it be
gung ho about it. You probably know more about American
History that most seniors graduating from high school this year!
Some people wanna do it, so don’t make choads who DON’T want to
do it DO it. Would you want that guy on your jury? You know,
they do have jury trials for car accidents, divorces, and lots
of other things that aren’t necessarily “criminal”…This guy
might vote against you cause he doesn’t like your hair color
or cause you have pointy ears or buck teeth. He won’t listen
and won’t care about the outcome. He will vote the way the
majority is voting. That’s wrong. Let em off. Call me! I’ll go!
That’s certainly true, but if you own your own business, taking that time off may necessarily result in repercussions — your store, for example, won’t make any money on the days you’re not there.
Similarly, if you’re paid on a wage instead of a salary, your employer does not have to pay the wages for the hours you are at jury duty; the no repercussions caveat only guarantees that you won’t lose your job, not that you won’t lose money.
Yea but the pay, your employer is not required to pay you for it.
Um, what about the pot smoking, doritos eating, octovagina
mom with 50 lil booger picking rugrats, welfare, unemployment
mooching idiot?? THEY should go to jury duty while I make my
regular wages instead of making $5 a day for jury duty?!?!
Civic duty? That’s fail in of itself. have politicians who’ve ruined
our economy who make 6 figures go stand on jury duty cuz
they sure aint gettin it done in the govt!!!!
Well if it makes you feel better, if the fool actually sent this in then he went to jail. Period. The people who handle this are like the security people at the airport. “Them bastards got no sense of humor” (Walter)
…they’re giving away surplus citizenships?…mine doesn’t seem to work very well anymore…maybe I’ll get a second one in case the original breaks down…
the courts compensate you for missing work in order to come and participate. the man’s statement, as funny as it is, just shows how lazy he is….
“Compensate”? Unless they give you your full days wages that’s not compensation!
Basically you believe that if anyone thinks differently, then they should be silenced? Maybe you need to rethink who gets their citizenship taken away?
As for civic “duties”, there are none…my life is my own and I owe it to no other person…we HAVE the right to refuse anything we don’t want to refuse and if you don’t like maybe just leave then…mmmk?
And this is the reason America is in the state it is in. No one cares about anyone but themselves. Sure, only a pittance is paid and I disagree with that. Here in Australia the employer is required to give the day off WITH pay and the gov’t pays enough to cover a small lunch and train fare, that is all. Before you get all huffy, I’m American. I did choose to leave because I was tired of selfish jerks who think the world owes them a living.
There’s a difference between fulfilling civic duties and not wanting to carry out something that disagrees with your personal politics. For example, I am a social Libertarian. I don’t agree with many of the laws which have been passed in this country and I certainly don’t agree with many of the penalties. You would not want me on a jury because I would be very likely to find someone innocent just to prevent them from being a victim of some over the top penalty. Expecially if they were there under drug charges or something like that. I will NEVER participate in jury duty but I don’t think that this makes me a bad citizen.
I agree with u. I was born here and it is my duty to uphold the responsibilities the constitution has bestowed upon us.
I agree.
It’s simple: If you don’t want to be called to jury duty, don’t register to vote.
Sure, you won’t be able to vote, but that’s the price you pay for being a slimy bastard.
The definition of citizenship is living within city limits, so hopefully it didn’t take you ten years to live in a city.
Hey Kai, give me your phone number so I can just call you the next time I have jury duty. Im a natural born American, and this is supposed to be a “free country”, but it gets less free every day, especially when its “go to jury duty, or go to jail”. Now does not sound very free does it? I pay taxes, thats should be enough. Even taxes are an infringement on freedom. Get that through your thick skull.
this is bull shit. I hate the American system as much as anyone, but people who complain about civic dutys and taxes as “infringement on freedoms” is crazy. This is why America is in the shit hole. We yell about high taxes, so politicians lower them to get elected. THEN, surprise surprise, there is not enough money to give us our basic necessity. Pay the taxes and go to jury duty and maybe this country will survive.
Comment Fail
Are you one of those guys we didn’t ask to come here but had forced on us? Where are OUR rights?
One doesn’t “volunteer” for jury duty … it’s your duty (thus the word
“duty”). Responsibility… I know these words don’t have much
meaning anymore. ::rollseyes:: If you don’t want it, don’t
register to vote. Otherwise, it’s a possibility you must
endure. It’s an honor, but think of it as your voting “give-back”.
“Giving back”? Thats a cop-out. It should be volunteer based, and theres definately people here (at least on this blog) who apparently would volunteer. What if Im working full-time at a job I cant afford get away from (especially in this economy)? The courts reembursement/paid-time is a joke, that is, if they even offer it. Why should I have to explain why I cant be available, only to have them instruct me to be there anyway, only to have them never even get to me, or not select me at all? The system is FUBAR, the “justice” systyem is a joke, and is in dire need of reform. You know it as well as I.
Maybe so but A: legally his work is to consider his day at Jury Duty to be a day at work, so not being able to take a day off of work shouldn’t be an excuse and B: if you’re summoned for jury duty it’s rather illegal to deny it, he’s legally obligated to go to it. So he’s failing and digging his own law-based grave at the same time.
Yes, but with jury duty pay being rather… humble… I would think you could show it to be an economic hardship to go. Second, legal or not, I don’t think this guy really cares.
If taking time off work were a hardship, then everyone would be a hardship. Most places pay you for the full day, but this guy is probably self employed.
Take look at this guy’s writing. Do you think he is making 6 figures or something?
sure, couse doctors have such lovely handwritings…
Is he “digging his own law-based grave” or is he cunningly getting out of jury duty? Think about it. He’s actually complying with the law by filling out the affidavit. Granted he is expressing contempt for the system, but he is complying with it. And if he avoids a contempt of court charge – because he is complying with the law – what prosecutor would allow him on a jury? Heck, I don’t think a defense lawyer would want him there – he’d be too much of a wild card. He could easily vote for conviction just to get out of there quicker. So, he’s on the verge of a win, provided a judge doesn’t slap him into jail for having a bad attitude – which would be an interesting lawsuit against the County.
i totally agree with MikeM. also, what if he runs his own business? he might lose an important assignment etc.
Sure enough, Erik Slye landed himself 20 days in Jail on a contempt charge.
This comment is win.
The rest of the story is that he was brought up before the district judge and given a lecture about acting like a child. The judge let him off without jail time for his contempt of court.
As a retired attorney, all one has to do to be sure to not be impanelled is to say you have already formed an opinion about the case when questioned during the voir dere process. Frankly most people summoned never have to to serve. The cases are usually settled before trial.
It’s Voir Dire, Or Voire Dire, depending on your French.
Maybe his job is to press a button that keeps ‘The Island’ from blowing up. You know, like Lost.
I don’t know about the states, but in Canada, if you are self employed and your business only has a certain amount of employees, then you are allowed to deny jury duty as you can not be compensated for that day of work. Though they are required to give notice X amount of days before the trial, and must explain fully why they cannot do it, and submit proof. So unless this guy was self employed and cannot take a day off, then it is his responsibility to do jury duty.
I am a home inspector and self employed so if I have to cancel on a client one day that puts me in bad standing with a Realtor, and can literally loose me days or sometimes weeks of work depending on which Realtor had got their client to book me.
This whole fail is about a form asking to be excused from jury duty. You can be excused, you just need to give a valid reason.
He’s not refusing to go, he filled out the “Request for excuse from jury service”
Obviously this guy has sent one of these in previously by the way it is written explaining why he cannot do jury duty. If someone has a prejudice then they heve every right under the law to be exempted. The fail is that he had to send a second and write it the way he did for them to get the picture. He didn’t break any laws or do anything wrong. Clearly if you don’t believe in your justice system you have a prejudice. I’m not saying I would do the same, but he followed the correct process.
I kinda think its a bit of a win… until the police show up at his door…
See how lame it is if you get arrested for a crime you didn’t commit.
Enjoy prison.
Hi guys! I’m Erik, but you may know me as the guy who just failed. Ok, so there are 309 wrinkles on my dog’s ball, and I’m in prison now. There are 294 wrinkles on Bubba’s balls.
That’s a summons for Gallatin County in Montana. The chances of that being a real crime are quite slim. If there’s anything like an assault, murder or robbery, people talk about it for years. It’s more likely to be traffic violations.
Yeah and not wanting to do it is not a valid reason technically. and any job he has (unless self employed) has to allow him time off to serve jury duty.
Yeah this system is flawed but not as much as this guys thinking
well this actually is a win, he got out of the jury duty… He had to go in and apologize for it, but none the less he got out of it.
Nope, definately NOT a fail, in fact i think it’s a straight talking WIN!
yes such a win!
Win!
if we all wanted jury duty, they wouldnt be forcing us to do it
‘Life ain’t easy for a boy named SUE.’
My name is Sue –
How do you do?
Now you’re gonna die…
Wonder what kind of jury this guy gets when they find him in contempt?
Probably one that have their own excuses….
They don’t have excuses. That’s why they’re on the jury.
That line started playing just as I read your post.
Susan is the Notary Public, not the complainant.
I turn on my computer, I go to failblog, and already I already have to put up with this crap…
Look at the bright side, at least it wasn’t some moron who decided to post first, and nothing else
Failblog has a bright side?
Except for the trolls, this IS the bright side.
Amen, WN.
Life of Brian, anyone?
*starts whistling*
And at the brightest side, I was happy to be able to prevent any firster for being actually so. I have been many times first on countless fail-pics, just ask.
Ironically though, I typed that normal-speed, waiting for another fellow anti-first to do the job.
A job well done, JasonK!
*hands JasonK a certificate*
*Peeks and Reads the Fancy Words on JsonK’s new Certificate*
"This is a CERTIFICATE!!!""This is Only a CERTIFICATE, Nothing More."
"Someone gave you this CERTIFICATE for Some Reason"
"Now YOU have your Very Own CERTIFICATE!"
"Printed by the CERTIFICATE Foundation"
hehehe…
I actually have a very fancy “Certificate of Certificate” that I made, framed, and awarded myself long ago…
that is self centered
Nah – the down side of being better than everyone else is that people tend to assume that you’re pretentious, to quote my despair.com poster
How is he self centered, I much enjoyed the certificate he gave me.
WIN!
Hahahahaha….
WN is always on the level
*waves at everyone*
*does the wave*
I don’t know who JsonK is, but he’ll be happy with that Certificate.
Would you want to be the one on trial when your neighbor that hates you volunteers to be on the jury?
Why would you want to be the one on trial full stop,(or if you’re an american english user, period).
Full stop works for me. Full stop.
Punctuation mark fail. How about a question mark ?
Dude. you don’t get to ‘volunteer’ for Jury duty for precisely that
reason. I’ll take a judge who actually studied law over a group of
my peers. My peers are most likely to be some half wits who flip
burgers for a living.
CERTIFICATE WIN/FAIL!!!
Nope, that’s definantly a WIN!
I’m pushing for this one to be epic win. Helps that I kind of agree with the basic sentiment. When people wax poetic about my civic duty, I laugh in their face and remind them I pay more in taxes than their total income.
o-k
hm..disobedience win
Impending incarceration WIN
I believe you have the right to refuse civic(jury) duty, up 2 three times, which upon the fourth you will be incarcerated. Well at least in Canada that is the law regarding jury duty requests, and you have to have legitimate reasons to refuse.
Well, seeing that that it says “State of Montana” at the top, this is NOT Canada. You double fail: 1. for thinking that Canadian law applies in Montana 2. for being Canadian
When you post dribble like this you open yourself up to such easy comebacks. You forget who your current President’s predecessor is? Also I did not think that Canadian law applied, I merely posted on how it works and do believe that in the state of Montana. Also here is the end result do some research.
Click the link, acknowledge you failure for the lack of intelligence you jut showed.
Arrg incomplete thought, I believe that you do get chances as well in the state of Montana, no state would be so strict as a one shot or you get punished deal as life does get in the way.
Wow, assumption fail. I’m not from the United States, I’m Irish. Now you click the link and acknowledge.
Well I at least accept that I jumped to the conclusion of you being an American, though you are either too proud or too foolish to do the same. In the end it doesn’t matter as you said that being Canadian is a fail, meanwhile being a thorn in the UK’s side is nothing to be proud of… Once again you are in the wrong, but you may be used to it.
Um…excuse me. I, too, am from a primarily Irish heritage. So as a fellow thorn in the UK’s side…
*THWACKS Emp with the halibut*
You’re lucky I didn’t reduce you to cinders. Stop being ignorant and insulting…just because he did it first doesn’t mean it’s suddenly all right for you to do it.
Ouch, I guess I should have made it known that I am fond of the Code of Hammurabi. I have this equalist mentality, take the good with the bad, ya sure women can have equal rights and all, but then in the same sentence cannot ask a man to carry something for them as it is too heavy. Personal experience, it was a bag of apples, 6 apples… I did a little research in this area in my history class and the reason I compared the Irish to a thorn as they do not possess the vast capacity to necessarily really hurt the UK, in my opinion, I would be glad if you could impart some more history on my so I can no longer be ignorant, as for insulting, well I currently am displeased at the tarnishing of the Canadian name. My little dig made me feel better so it wont happen again.
Wow. Just…wow.
I am removing myself from this discussion before I say something that I truly will regret later.
I’m sorry if I offended you, I know I do it often, foot in mouth disease just something I always deal with, but I am sincerely asking you to let me into the light then, what have I missed.
Since you offended the entire female population without realizing it, I’ll point you to something:
“I have this equalist mentality, take the good with the bad, ya sure women can have equal rights and all, but then in the same sentence cannot ask a man to carry something for them as it is too heavy.”
You should know that “Equal” does not mean “the same”.
If a woman asks you to carry something that’s too heavy for her, it’s because (you might have noticed) male and female bodies are not the same. Actually, no two bodies in the world are the same. And if someone asks you for help, and you’re able to help them, you should not immediately decide they should lose their right to vote, earn equal pay for an equal job and/or be denied a livelihood because they asked you to carry a bag of six apples.
Ug, that’s not what I was going for… What I am trying to say is that I dislike the fact that some women take advantage of being a woman but then on the opposite hand ask why there is inequity. This woman was not frail, hurt or inhibited at all, she was a health 23 year old. She thought that twiddling her finger in her hair would make me jump at the chance of helping her, even though not 5 minutes before that she engaged me in a conversation regarding the inequity of women in the world in regards to respect, work, pay and so on. I never said that they should loose their rights, I do not know where you picked that out of, I just lost respect for the whole previous conversation and the points she presented. But like I said this was a personal experience and there was a whole situation behind it which when summed up looks bad, you couldn’t possibly have known as I did not expand and that is my fault, but yes this was basically a backlash on what happened not 4 hours earlier this day.
*tacks on a “y” to health*
When taken into account of asking for equality, arepeople not asking to be treated “the same” as a group they are comparing to? In this context I believe that equal can be equated to “the same”.
Okay…I canNOT keep quiet, even though I swore I would.
Emp–you are an idiot. Keep digging that hole for yourself…it just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
Please allow me to bring a few points to light:
1. “ya sure women can have equal rights and all”
We CAN?? REALLY?? Because you say so? Not because we are human beings who expect (not ASK) to be treated as human beings, but because we have your permission? Gee, THANKS! That’s awfully big of you.
2. “I dislike the fact that some women take advantage of being a woman but then on the opposite hand ask why there is inequity.”
That’s okay…women dislike the fact that some men use their fists to beat them into submission when they open their mouths to express an opinion or show their strength. Women have been trained to act this way, and it is only in recent history that we have not been punished for acting any differently. And sometimes we still are, even in this so-called “enlightened” country.
3. In this context I believe that equal can be equated to “the same”.
It is clear that you did not understand Fluffy’s point at all. “Sameness” and “equality” are two entirely different concepts. Go look at a dictionary…and while you’re at it, why don’t you learn how to put together a proper English sentence?
Wow…I was wrong. I don’t actually regret saying that at all.
1) NO NO NO, do not bring in abuse into this, that is not fair into relation of what we were discussing as this woman never came into contact with any fist at all. SHE WAS ABUSING THE FACT THAT
MOST GUYS THINK WITH THEIR DICKS. That is the abuse I was talking about. She was not trained to do this, but I believe with success of doing this got her stuff she desired, I know she has gotten away with tickets by flirting with the officer. That would rarely to never
happen with the roles reversed.
2) The ya sentence. It is a duo, I have no power to allow, never claimed I did, or to deny rights to anyone. It was a comment that was meant to lead into the personal experience.
3) Yes I understood that sameness and equality is not the same. Sameness is being the same thing, equality is the equal treatment regardless of the differences. What I said was being treated the same is basically equality. Hence my comment in this context (being treated)”the same” equated to “equality”.
As for the ad hominem attack… that, is uncalled for. Yes I do not punctuate correctly, yes I often am not proper with my grammar, yes I am not even proficient in my proof reading skills. You are right. ME dumb and so on and so fourth, glad you were nice enough to bring it to light.
*real tear streamed down face*
“My little dig made me feel better so it wont [sic] happen again.”
Yes yes, flaunt, because as in 90% of all arguments the woman has once again won. Yup its parade it around town time…
On a slight tangent, I saw an article in the campus newspaper about “where did chivalry go?” To my dismay one of the things the author requested be brought back was that men would walk on the side of the sidewalk closest to the street and women on the far side, so the men could “protect them” from the flow of street traffic. I kid you not. I just about threw up.
Emp…misogyny looks really ugly on everyone.
I used the exact same words you used three hours ago. I even did you the courtesy of quoting them. Are you saying that those words have unequal meaning when I say them? Why is it a perfectly acceptable thing for you to say, but when I say it, I’m “flaunting”?
Chez–ye gods. That’s absolutely incredible.
This reminds me of my friend. He’s a nice guy, we’re good buddies, but my lord he is one of the biggest chauvinists I have ever known.
He stands by his antiquated notion of “honour,” believing such things as:
- Always stand by your country, no matter what
- Every man should have to serve in his country’s military
- If someone challenges you to a fight, you accept, or else you’re a pussy
- Never hit a girl
I ask him why you should never hit a girl, and his only response is “It’s a girl! You just don’t do that to a girl! Are you saying you would hit a girl?” To which I just say, “No, I would never hit anyone, unless in self defense,” after which he usually changes the subject.
No the flaunting comes from winning the argument, gosh I hae when people take words away from their context, as that quote was to you not to him so I was not flaunting, I was merely saying that I wouldn’t attack his heritage again. So stop with the patronizing me.
Would like to add that you performed another ad hominem attack there. I actually love and respect my mother above my father, so to say I have a hatred of women… unacceptable.
***meant to say stop patronizing me (no with the) and hate not hae***
Emperor….At the risk of drawing ire from others..I will say I understood the intent behind your words. I too feel a distinct irritation when people expose their own hypocrisy by acting in a way contrary to their stated beliefs.
As to the original statement you made concerning the right to request a release from jury duty..you are correct, each state may have different rules but the gentleman in the fail did not break them. Here in my state, you may ask to be released for myriad reasons, and for the most part, people are excused from jury duty if for some reason their employer cannot do without their presence, as happened to my husband, or are the parent of a infant and asked to be excused because of child care issues. The courts do recognize that family issues impact citizens’ abilities to perform civic duties.
*heavy sigh*
I didn’t “win” anything, Emp. This was not an argument to be won or lost, so I really don’t see how I could “flaunt” something that I never had and have no desire to gain.
And no ire, Anniebunny…! Everyone has the right to voice an opinion.
Thanks anniebunny, that was what I failed to communicate.
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Dragon this may be my personal take, but I feel when caught in an argument it is literally a battle of the souls. This is usually accompanied by a deflated feeling for the loser and a puffed feeling for the winner. Almost as if part of the soul spilled from the winner to the loser. In any case, I hope you understand I do not hate women, I hate hipocrisy and inequity. My biggest pet peeve is unfair treatment, but taking advantage of generosity and I don’t know how to put it in words. I hope you caught my drift. I have been unfairly treated alot in my life, don’t know if I just notice it more because I was the middle brother, my sister displaced me from middle child as there is no middle to four. I do not see why life cannot be fair. As crappy as it sounds I have made it a personal goal to try and be fair in what I do and what goes on around me. For instance even though it seems like a proper thing to do, I don’t think the man should always pay the bill. At least by the tenth date she should offer, offer that is all. Women, they do it right, they are ogled but are much more than that. I just have one too many idiosynchrosies I guess.
Oh an context, ya that is a big issue for me as well.
*and*
Ye gods and little rocks!
) The custom of the man footing the bill on a date is not the rule it once was. Asking a woman out on a date incurs the responsibility of payment, but once this develops into something more the woman should have started offering to pay her share. If she has not or you feel she should pay her way from the get go you need to bring this up. Who pays for dinner is as much your fault as the women you date. Dutch treat should be established beforehand, if the woman is insulted then it may be time to reconsider who you are dating.
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Emp, I think I understand what you are trying to say, but it is coming across with to much baggage attached.
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The dating ritual will always be complicated (if it was easy everyone would do it
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If you were walking with a male friend who griped about some one making more money in the office for the same job then grew tired of carrying a 25lb sack of potatoes and asked you to carry them would you feel the same way?
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Most of all, life is not fair, learn to live with it or you will never appreciate the gift.
does the guy mean CIVIL duty?
hahahhah
the title its self is a fail
Thanks Marius, in regards to your scenario, if he was being lazy I would laugh at him, I like I said don’t like people who take advantage of generosity. If he was complaining about unequal treatment in his workplace but does nothing to work to change that then that would be a case of something needed to be done. Though the whole discussion much rather was involving the difference (or lack there of) between women and men in the workforce.
Yes, Marius, thanks. You always manage to say what I’m thinking.
It’s not foot in mouth disease if you have a backspace key at your disposal, it’s just idiocy.
… The backspace key has nothing to do with how what I have posted gets interpreted or what someone takes from what is already there. The backspace key is not an undo key. You are the one being idiotic at the moment. Foot in mouth disease as I did not intend for the words I used to cause offense, but the backspace key would be no help after the fact.
Don’t back down from a bully Emp! You were attacked first, and have every right to defend yourself!
erm,can i ask exactly what you mean by”thorn in the UK’s side”?
drivel, not dribble
Thanks.
It’s “drivel” not “dribble.” Extra fail for you.
Too late…
Political debate aside, the word you were looking for is “drivel” not “dribble”
Drivel. Not dribble.
Thank you.
“drivel”, not “dribble”.
FAIL!
Not here. You have to show up or provide a VALID excuse (the above was not). You can request to be excused, but that’s it–a request.
Thanks for giving me that info.
It is also a request here but it is often granted, but you are correct even here you cannot downright refuse.
*replaces “2″ with to.*
Actually he got off, he was made to apologize to the judge and then was released from jury duty.
*counts the wrinkles*
*stretches it out to make you lose count*
This is disturbing :-/
you made me ROBL
B:bed
WIN!
What if his dog was female?
…you don’t want to know. It involves BaconLube, a ShamWow and the RSPCA.
I don’t even have a dog.
Doesn’t your neck hurt after bending over for so long?
He obviously needs the product from the shampoo fail…
I need a product to get the last couple of hours back.
No, but my back does… why do you ask?
My dog needs new ears,
make his eyes see forever
♪ How much is that doggy in the window? ♪
My dog’s got no dictionary.
How does it spell?
My dog’s got no arms.
How does it *SQUEEZE!*?
*fills metal dustbin with icewater*
*jumps inside and puts lid on*
Mmmf mm mmfmfm mfmfmff mmffm legs?
My dog’s got no scents.
*Opens lid*
*Takes blue Moomin out of water and puts him in a clay pot of peat*
*Places pot in the sun*
*Waits for a Bloomin’ Moomin*
My dog has no nose!
How does it smell?
Awful!
*Dies of laughter after reading the funniest joke in the world.*
Female dogs don’t have balls.
They can if they want then. At least temporarily.
Until they go under the couch.
In any case, tennis balls don’t have wrinkles.
Squeaky balls, in some cases, have bumps!
Unless they’re she-males.
I would like to know how this worked out for him.
I bet it’s ironic
from what i heard he had to read the note to the court, and got off with a warning and no jury duty.
Just asking during your interview if the court believes in FIJA’s principles works SO much better… just sayin’…
Or something like: “I’ve been reading about jury nullification recently, and have been just itching to try it out.” That ought to be pretty effective at getting off jury duty. So long as it’s true (since you’re under oath). Better go read about jury nullification so that it is true.
The defense attorney couldn’t get rid of me fast enough when I answered her question about witnesses with, “I do not believe that people make reliable witnesses…I have actually participated in a study that proves it.”
Apparently her entire case rested on eyewitness testimony.
Hehe! *squeeze*
*Squeeze!*
How are you this fine day, Arthur?
Fine, thank you. How’s life treating you today?
Hmph. I woke up with a cough this morning.
*is careful to cover mouth when she coughs so as not to *FOOOOOM!!* any benevolent Failbloggers*
Excuse me for a second.
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*turns to life*
What did you do? Giving Dragon a cold? Shame on you!
*slaps life*
Now go to your room and think about what you’ve done!
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Sorry Dragon, life is sometimes misbehaving.
(Get well soon!)
Hee!
Honestly, I think life’s had it in for me for some time now. Maybe it will listen to you!
Don’t count on it. My own life almost never does.
Hm. Maybe we should instigate an exchange program.
My life is afraid of me.*snickers*
Well, we only have one life (sorry to all buddhists!). Compromise seems to be necessary…
Bye, see you tomorrow or on monday!
Toodles, Arthur!
*squeeeze*
Lifes better when you’re not a sausage.
*squeeze*
Whatever life comes up with, you can always turn it down.
has life been feeling you up in the library too? (I hesitate to say that life has f’ed me. That’s like saying what else could go wrong?)
Everything is wrong. Don’t you get it? That’s why we are here. and we won’t ever leave this stage until we get it right. Doesn’t matter how many times we die, we’ll still come back for more till we do what’s right.
Just like Quantum Leap!
kannadzuki!
*squeeze*
*squeeze*
Good morning, Moomin.
morn, every 1
I saw this on The Young Turks on Youtube. The irony is that he actually never had jury duty. He did have to go through a lot of extra legal crap in the end anyway, though.
They wouldn’t want him to do jury duty. They interview you before you put you on the jury, and with an attitude like that, he wouldn’t be accepted.
Here’s what happened to him, found it on a Montana lawyer’s blog:
As it turns out, however, Mr. Slye’s Affidavit did not have EXACTLY the effect he had no doubt hoped for, because it resulted in the following Order from the Court:
CITATION FOR CONTEMPT
THE FREEDON AND LIBERTY THAT MR SLYE ENJOYS DEPENDS UPON THE VOLUNTARY SERVICE OF JURY DUTY, THEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED THAT ERIC SLYE BE AND REMAIN IN THE COUNTY JAIL FOR 20 DAYS OR UNTIL HE RECANTS HIS CONTEMPTUOUS CONDUCT IN OPEN COURT. MR. SLYE’S FAMILY MAY VISIT HIM ON WEEKENDS BUT HIS DOG SHALL STAY AT HOME UNMOLESTED BY THE DEFENDANT.
Notwithstanding his rather direct (albeit foolhardy) approach, I am left to wonder: How many potential jurors in the box are truly on Mr. Slye’s wavelength, but never express it?
— J.R.
You may lead a horse to the water, but ….especially if it’s dirty.
Excellent. Certainly no less than he deserved for such arrogant contemptuous nonsense. My thought was to strip him and give him 10 lashes in public, and
thereafter require him to sit in the stocks for no less than 8 hours holding a sign
“I am a threat to the American legal system. This is the punishment.”
Lather, rince, repeat. Got it.
he was help in contempt of court and got 20 days jail time.
More like epic win…
Yeah, not really. You could be jailed for that.
Not if he is making truthful statements. Saying you do not believe in the justice system, as long as truthful, is something that needs to be brought out prior to placement on a jury. This WOULD disqualify him, although more than likely he would still have to go to the jury summons and state as such.
There is a difference between making truthful statements, and calling court officials “morons” while making those statements. They could jail him for contentment of the court.
I understand that in this case they didn’t, but it doesn’t mean that the next guy who does this won’t get jailed.
All I can say is, this guy is seriously testing is freedom of speech.
Fluffy!
“contentment of the court”…??? That made me roffle!
Dang… Im’a go a couple fails back and grab that bukkit off the guy’s head. ..
Hee…! No bukkit for you, since you made me laugh.
And because you stepped up–thanks for that. I swear, I would have done serious, permanent damage.
In this case the guy didnt get jailed, he didnt even get a fine…
yeah um well the thing is he had to go to court, but the judge didnt do anything to him… Check it out on geekologie
http://www.geekologie.com/2009/05/diy_how_to_get_out_of_jury_dut.php
Sorry for double posting…
Double-post rules don’t apply here, This isn’t a discussion forum, it’s a comment section.
I would agree with you if it weren't for one small detail. Everyone here uses it as a discussion forum.Oh, and the ability to reply to comments make it more of a discussion forum than just an ordinary comment section.
I’d love to be able to discuss your comment with you, but I’m afraid we’d be sectioned.
This is pure win, if you ask me.. failblog’s having many labeling fails lately =/
He’s failing to act upon his civic duty. That’s a fail
However, if they labeled it “reasoning win”, that might work
Considering civic duty is, more often than not, a joke.. it’s still a win from where I stand.
And it seems I’m not the only one to agree here.
Anything can be theoretically called a fail, even if it’s a “failure to fail”.. doesn’t mean Failblog should do so.
Upon careful consideration of Dywas’ eloquently stated opinion, I find that I agree with him. Although, it must be said, I have no issue with whatever FAILblog chooses to label anything.
It’s a win. Especially if he actually got to read it to the court
He definitely won at being an asshat.
I call this a win!!!
Boy, I should check with my sister…she lives in MT, I wonder if she knows this guy…:-D
Why would she know him? Because she knows a guy who has a dog that he is more than “just friends” with?
Someone should send this guy the Constitution.
Then send him to an institution.
Before he puts his dog to prostitution…
Make him send someone for execution.
I’m sure there was a resolution.
He’s a little behind in evolution.
And will suffer retribution.
Unless he starts a revolution.
While engaging in much distribution.
trying to clean up his pollution
Come on, guys! There must be another solution!
What… like execution?
Dilution os the solution to pollution.
Finally! A descent contribution!
Are you seeking restitution?
Yes, for all of this collocution!
Dilution is the solution to pollution.
He could use some lessons in elocution…
I hope the defendant isn’t threatened with electrocution.
Oh, and BF? The Constitution limits the Federal Government’s powers – has nothing to do with this.
The Montana State Constitution may or may not (if they have one) have verbage that’s applicable. More likely it’s encoded in State Law.
Damnation! But I thought it was one of those things were you HAD to perform your duty as a US citizens when called for? Or am I being outrageously ignorant?
Nah – you’re just being British
But most Americans don’t have a clue either.
The Constitution’s whole purpose is to tell the federal government what it can and can’t do – everything they have the authority to do is enumerated there, and anything NOT listed is supposed to be (emphasis on “supposed to be, since they pretty much ignore it these days) is up to the states and to the people.
I see. You learn something new everyday.
Yep. Sad thing is, it’s supposed to be our “Supreme Law of the Land”, and most Americans have never read it. Which is one of the main reasons the government gets away with so much… when they’re actually supposed to be our employees…
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I DUZ?
Cools!!!
Whut BOGGY lernt todau? Hmmms?Most states require you to respond as a matter of law when summoned to jury duty. Failure to do so constitutes contempt of court, for which you can be jailed; in some jurisdictions you can be jailed until you agree to serve, or until the terms of your service expires. However, that is a matter of legislation, not Constitutional law.
I agree with someone ^^^ about the jury nullification thingy. You’be out of faster than you can say “It is the jury’s duty to judge the law”.
Bottom line is this: every defendant has a right to a trial, and without a jury, there is no functioning legal system. A few years ago in Palm Beach County, so few people were turning up for their jury summons that they had to postpone several trials. At that point, the judge in charge of such matters sent the sheriff’s office to start rounding up people who had failed to show up, in handcuffs if necessary.
If you want to get out of jury duty, insulting the court will not lead to success. Your best bet, if you don’t meet the normal criteria (age, physical conditions, being the governor, etc.), is to be creative.
Last time I was called, they asked all the usual questions — do you know the defendant, the attorneys, etc. After they finished those questions, the judge asked if anyone else had a reason why they couldn’t serve. One guy raised his hand and the judge asked what the problem was. He said the defendant looked like his father. “Is the defendant your father?” asked the judge. “No,” he said, “but my father’s a crook, too.” It took about three seconds for everyone to agree to dismiss him.
Now…that’s fun …in jail.
You guys are kidding right? So sorry, but, at least in criminal trials, juries are an absolute right. Maybe not 12 of them and maybe you aren’t required to have a unanimous decision, but you get a jury. Not necessarily in civil trials.
By the way, while the Constitution is a limitation on the Federal government, try reading the 14th amendment. It applies to the states. And the Supreme Court has incorporated most of the Bill of Rights into the Constitution.
Read a book, I suggest one on the Supreme Court.
And by incorporated it into the Constitution, I mean incorporated it into the 14th amendment, and therefore applicable against the several states.
Fail on me.
Civil cases are the kind of exceptions I was referring to. And defendants also have the right to waive a jury trial in criminal cases and allow the judge to decide the case.
The Supreme Court doesn’t incprporate the Bill of Rights into the Constitution. They are inherently part of the Constitution, as are all of the other Ammendment. (Prohibition, of course, no longer is.)
I got out of it one time because I was breast-feeding. We were there so long the first day that the front of my shirt was soaked. I don’t know who was more embarrassed — me, or the judge.
And seeks absolution.
You missed Plonks’ contribution.
And spread the comments distribution.
*headdesk*
I may have a contusion.
That leads to confusion.
*sigh*
I should read the comments further down in order to avoid ventrilocution.
Oooo! I like that word.
I’se up late tonight. How are things with you, Marius?
I am just peachy. My eldest just rolled in @ 3:20am
I am definitely getting too old for this.
How’s everything with you?
*squeeze*
Hi Dragon and Marius!
It’s a rough weekend for me, but I’ll get through it.
I think I’ll go try my hand at sleeping again. See you in the funny pages (aka Failblog!).
Bye… sweet dreAAms!
*Hands tissue to SC*
Well hello! What’s new with you?
Good night Dragon. Hope you feel better.
*eyes tissue*
Did that come from the pig?
(I have 2 new puppies!)
No no, this one has aloe not oinkment.
Congrats on the puppies! I miss my dogs.
Thanks, then!
I think I need to stop listening to my soft heart. I now have a total of 7 cats, 3 dogs, and 3 aquariums. I. need. to. stop!
Yikes! I’ve had up to eight dogs and a cat at one time but we were breeding Huskies at the time. Now we are down to just two cats. How do you sleep in the morning? Our cats harass us at 6am sharp.
They learn my schedule.
I also have continuous feeders for the cats, as I am not a morning person. The 2 puppies are in a cage, and the adult dog is on an eight-hour schedule, with a few exceptions. It’s all good.
We tried the continuous feeders and the cats continuously fed. We now have 15lb cats who are currently eyeing me. I think they suspect I am talking about them. I am worried.
*snork*
Mostly they keep their figures pretty stream-lined.
Out of all the cats I’ve had in the last 30 years, only two were pre-disposed to fat. I called them my “Buddha-cats” ‘cos of their fat bellies.
Hee! Buddha-cats. With that it is time for me to sign off and see if I can catch a cat nap before I cook breakfast. TTFN!
*squeeze* See ya!
*Squeeze*
No, that's just an illusion.omg we need to make an abortion
Does “abortion” rhyme here? I need a resolution.
No, it doesn’t, and around here that’s punished by execution!
*readies guillotine*
There no rhyme nor reason to this devolution.
Whatever happened to restitution?
Along with that tasty 13th amendment – “You have to show up here and work for as long as we need you to for a fraction of what you get paid doing your day job” is akin to slavery.
The problem is that it’s a necessary evil, and the benefits are supposed to outweigh the costs, even if the benefits aren’t so obvious. It’s the citizen’s way to participate in the justice system to provide a check against an over zealous government.
It is similar to the old military conscription system being another similar check, because the Founding Fathers knew that was a way to limit the risk imperialism and foreign entanglements. Right now, the US has a large standing army of professional soldiers, which in itself invites abuse because it’s expensive and anything expensive should be used. We don’t feel nearly so bad about using it because they volunteered for it and it’s their chosen career.
The benefits would be a lot more obvious if said justice system weren’t blatantly corrupt.
As evidence of this, I submit the fact that Dick Cheney is not in prison.
LOL, I can’t wait until he has need of the justice system HIMSELF and gets a jury packed with yahoos like himself. That would be a KARMA WIN.
Maybe he already needed it and it failed. Therefore he realised he wouldn’t need to rely on a broken system.. But then again.. I have no idea =)
THAT’S SO FUNNY. Count the wrinkles on my dog’s balls… HA.
WIN!!!!!
What a slye fox.
The guy, unless there is something different or something is up, must have a crap job. Most jobs will pay you as if your working if you have to attend jury duty. It was the case with my brother’s job at UPS a year ago.
If he owns his own business, then he can’t pay himself. But somehow I don’t see him as a business owner.
If he owns his own business, I don't think he would need to be at work.He COULD be a professional wrinkle counter – that would add emphasis to his saying he’d rather take his work home with him than serve on a jury.
True, speaking of that...I haven't had the balls on my dog wrinkle-counted for several months now. Good thing I've got his address.I don’t know if I ever had a job that paid for jury duty, I’ve always worked either as an paid intern with limited benefits or for a small business. Even as a self-employed person, it really doesn’t matter. The two times I’ve had to do it, it’s usually just one day off and I see some of the procedures and considerations to try to make the trial as fair as reasonably possible. It’s not a perfect system, but there will never be a perfect system, other systems aren’t necessarily better across the board either.
They do let you off pretty easily if it’s a hardship.
Your employer is legally required to pay wages for your jury duty time if it has a certain number of employees. I’m not sure what happens if your employer is a small business or if you make less than the amount the government pays for jury duty. At least that’s the way it is in NY.
UPS has good benefits. Most jobs do not.
So if this person gets mugged, I assume they won’t call the cops to report it; after all, they don’t “believe” in our justice system.
Hopefully he has concealed carry. Lotsa folks in Montana do, and it tends to A) lower the incidences of violent crime considerably, and, B) also give Happy Endings to attempted muggings
Member of the NRA, WN?
Nope. Don’t care for their politics.
Check out “open carry”. A lot less forbidden than concealed. When I was working in Atlanta a lot of people had guns in their cars, right out in plain sight, which made it legal. It had to be on the dash or on the seat. That was it.
One of the guys at the studio went through a drive-thru with his gun on the dash and the clerk called the cops because, “She didn’t know what was going to happen.” (her words)
Chris got pulled over, showed ID, and was sent on his way WITH the gun still on the dash. No permit necessary. The studio owner kept a loaded M16 (semi-auto) on the back seat. True.
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Yeah, Somalia is *such* a polite society. Crime is practically nonexistent and it’s so nice and peaceful!
You shouldn’t make assumptions like that.
A policing system is different from a justice system.
The man probably would call the cops because he would want his stuff back. Not because he would want to send the perpetrator to jail.
Bingo!
Lt. Frank Drebin, reporting for du-AAAAaaaaah….
*falls down manhole*
What an absolute legend
Failblog is right. This isn’t a win at all. It’s a civic duty fail. Writing this isn’t cute and funny. Part of being a citizen of this country is doing jury duty…if you are able to do so anyway. And our justice system is an amazing thing. If he doesn’t believe in it and in taking his civic duties seriously, perhaps he should go to a country where the “justice system” is getting shot in the head if the government doesn’t like you. See how this works out there.
*takes notes*
*sips a Scotch and Soda*
Chances are, if he doesn’t like the U.S.’s justice system, he wouldn’t like being shot in the head either.
Think so?
Hold still!
We can test the theory on you first.
I don't see where hammykins complained about the system.That is a mean and ignorant comment. But, I guess your user name says it all.
Hear hear.
The Right Honourable Neener is sad MP is right, and this troll will be dealt with. When we feel like it.
This isn’t funny.
This isn’t cute.
This clickie, on the other hand, is both.
Aw…
Careful *squeeze*
Hammykins does do extraordinarily good clickies that never fail to make you smile.
*group squeeze*
While this clickie isn't.I think I just wet myself, thanks.
Aw that’s so cute! I used to have two hamsters, but one died of an infection she got from fighting with the other hamster and the other one we had to put down
…,or perhaps if not try and change the system, give his OWN opinion?
Also, part of being a citizen of your country (and mine, for that matter) is to be willing to stump up enough tax money to pay jurors properly, so being called for jury duty isn’t akin to winning the anti-lottery and having a big chunk of money taken away from you.
So, what’s the final solution?
It’s a movie about the UK’s SAS.
And it was Hitler’s-
Oh, right. Godwin’s Law.
Oops. It’s Final Option anyway.
http://www.amazon.com/Dares-Wins-Final-Option-Region/dp/B00009PAFA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1241891029&sr=1-1
But ^5 on Godwin’s Law – I’d forgotten about that!
You forgot… NAZI! WORSE THAN HITLER!
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It was a Rogue Trooper storyline.
He doesn't believe in the judicial system? What is that supposed to mean? He doesn't think it exists? I can understand not liking it, but believe isn't exactly the right word.He’s watched the Matrix one too many times, and he thinks he can bend the system as he likes, as it doesn’t really exist. According to him.
I think I’m married to this man.
You have my condolences, Mrs. thorax.
moi aussi
geekologie called it
If he doesn’t want to have a thing to do with the justice system…wow! that leaves a lot of options open to anyone that has to deal with him.
buba was jury, once. He condemned a woman to be stoned. buba is proud to have fulfilled his civic duty.
this guy is gonna have a visit from the government…
*knock-knock*
“Hey, we received you letter in regards to your jury duty”
“oh really, did you like it?”
*SMAC*
this is no fail, at least not to the guy who wrote it, it’s actually a fail of the system that he won’t show up.
true but he did make a lol with that letter
Most people fake racism to get out of jury duty. He could have just mentioned “thieving wetbacks” or “guilty-as-hell n***ers” and gotten out of jury duty. Even Anpu finds creative ways to get out of jury duty that won’t get him stuck with wrinkle-counting duty. Wrinkle-counting duty has the same pay as jury duty, but you don’t get the chance to send someone to the chair.
There’s no need to be offensive or aggresive towards other citizens if you disagree on a specific trait of the system.
There is if you don’t want to appear too fair and impartial. The courts like having fair and impartial juries, you know.
..and whatever the outcome is, they are burdened with a call to take the blame for whatever happens if someone goes “free” or take the cross and the guilt of not knowing whether you were fair or not. In other words, the system asks you to forget your peace of mind.
FIRST!
are you KIDDING? you’re about 4 hrs late for that one…
And ooooh, the irony of his/her name….
Irony? Isn’t that begging?
It really is…and I was sooooooo tempted.
I just didn’t want to be predictable.
Hear that, Pls no flame me? You’re not the puppet master!
*drowns Pls no flame me*
Hm. I’ve always wanted to serve jury duty. Twice I was asked: my home state wanted me when I was stationed in a different state while serving in the US Military, then they wanted me when hubby & I were stationed overseas! But I’ve been out for almost 20 years, & hubby retired for 13, and never contacted since! Sigh. Must have been a government operation…
I’ve been summoned three times. The first time, I was in college, almost five hours away, and was excused. The other two times were both just a few months after I had moved to another state. I’ve never actually served, either.
Oooow. Can you say “Bench Warrant”?
“Mister Flynt, you are a handful.”
tottaly win
totally*
spell fail
He’s right though. Jury is incredibly stupid. Therefore win!
I’m not seeing how this is a fail. Total win in my book.
And what book would that be?
“Getting f*cked in the ass is fun – the easy way to jail”?
The Book of Wins… and this is one of them.
Which makes your comment “caption comprehension fail”
Not to mention, when he then has to go down to the court and show a judge that jury duty will indeed be a hardship when he could have put that in a less combative letter, he will then understand how his attitude is fail. Jury duty is not voluntary.
I love that he says he thinks the Justice System is broken, but won’t get involved to fix it by participating.
This thing is FAIL on so many levels….
That’s assuming his involvement would indeed fix it.
The reason he disagrees with the justice system is probably because of the way it uses untrained citizens (such as himself) to decide the outcome of the trial.
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Disclaimer: I am not saying I agree or disagree with this guy’s position. I am merely pointing out RoyBatty’s misunderstanding.
Yet you’re assuming that is his position.
Which makes it your misunderstanding.
Levels 1-27, 29, 36, 41-43, and part of level 58.I’m sure you can warp between levels 3 and 8. The princess isn’t at 8 though. It’s always a Goomba in disguise.
I think this might be a win instead of a fail.
I think this might have been said before.
And people complained about the wins in the videos...why?The guy who sent this in is going to jail.
“As it turns out, however, Mr. Slye’s Affidavit did not have EXACTLY the effect he had no doubt hoped for, because it resulted in the following Order from the Court:
CITATION FOR CONTEMPT
THE FREEDON AND LIBERTY THAT MR SLYE ENJOYS DEPENDS UPON THE VOLUNTARY SERVICE OF JURY DUTY, THEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED THAT ERIC SLYE BE AND REMAIN IN THE COUNTY JAIL FOR 20 DAYS OR UNTIL HE RECANTS HIS CONTEMPTUOUS CONDUCT IN OPEN COURT. MR. SLYE’S FAMILY MAY VISIT HIM ON WEEKENDS BUT HIS DOG SHALL STAY AT HOME UNMOLESTED BY THE DEFENDANT.”
http://jrclaryjr.blogspot.com/
What a friggin tool…
I hope the day comes when he get arrested and has to go to trial, and hears the judge say, “We rounded up all the idiots like you who didn’t want to serve jury duty and gave them the option of finding you guilty NOW, or sitting and listening to the evidence.” Hee!
I don’t know too many folks who *like* jury duty, or really want to be there, but we do it anyway.
Right, you know this guy would be the first one to complain if anyone interfered with his right to a jury trial if he got arrested. If you expect a right to trial by jury, you need to sit on jury when called.
No, you do not know that.
Unless you are some sort of deity, in which case I apologize, oh most great and honorable freyakahlo!
*offers sacrifice of 3 altoids and pocket lint*
.., and the same goes to those who were sent to war and given the choice of jail or a grave.
No, actually it doesn’t. They volunteered for the army. They made their choice.
Just as this guy made his choice to be eligible for jury duty by registering to vote.
If he lives in the state of NY, the simple fact that you’re employed can get you jury duty. The system has realized that people get out of it by refusing to register to vote and thus they opened up their pools to the people who are employed and/or have driver’s licenses.
I had to do jury duty when I was 18 and still in High School. I was dismissed from my duty for my bad attitude (I firmly believed and still do that at that time, my duty was to finish high school and move on to college).
How is this a fail.
It’s a fail if you’re not a conformist? What the f**k?
isnt this a win??
I can barely read it, so that’s a fail for me.
“Apparently you morons didn’t understand me the first time. I CANNOT take time off from work. I’m not putting my familys wellbeing at stake to participate in this crap. I don’t believe in our “justice” system and I don’t want to have a goddamn thing to do with it. Jury duty is a complete waste of time. I would rather count the wrinkles on my dogs balls than sit on a jury. Get it through your thick skulls. Leave me the f–k alone.”
Hope this assists you. (:
It's typed out below the fail.i want to drink beer with this guy
Wouldn’t it be a fail in the title because jury duty is a Civil Duty not a Civic Duty
I’m pretty sure what that guy has done is called contempt of court….so that in itself is a fail for the guy who wrote it.
this guy is my hero
I’m going to go count them now… I’m curious.
apparently this is a win! =)
And how have you based your conclusions?
Argumentum ad populum.
Dio cane.
God dog?
Ah, a palindrome. I see what you did there.
it´s some kind of italian slur AFAIR
freaking Guidos o,O
The suppose-to-be freedom the writer enjoys, is a lose-lose dead end if he is not allowed to have a word to say about it without being punished for doing so. he basis of FREEDOM is the right to disagree.
Yeah, well…you can disagree with any law. You still have to adhere to it, though. This guy has the right to his opinion of the legal system, but he still must obey the law regarding his obligations towards it.
Ever get a speeding ticket?
Meaning you broke a law you should have been following?
Of course I’ve broken laws. And I paid the price for it. That’s how it works.
Well at least we know the consequences of our actions.
Well put.Theng-kew.
True enough. But of course, there are exceptions. The necessity defense can work, i.e. “She was gonna die if I didn’t get her to the hospital”, or “I ran him down because he was pointing a gun at me”. Breaking the “law” isn’t necessarily wrong. Homocide is against the law in most cases, but not all.
Financial hardship, if PROVABLE, is an exception. The jackass above should have left his dog’s balls out of it. The guy’s a dufus.
Yes, but these things have absolutely nothing to do with whether you “agree” or “disagree” with any law, which is what this discussion was about in the first place.
The way I see it is that the laws are an embodiment of the morals of the people who live in the society where the laws a promulgated. That’s about it really. Agreeing or disagreeing, as I see it, has little to do with whether people will obey the laws. People would generally agree that murder is wrong and against the law. Though they know that they still do it.
Factually, the law has little to do with people’s behavior, unless the law happens to agree their own morals. The law generally only comes into play after the fact. The cops only come to mop up after the deed. Very few people adjudge their behavior before the fact because it might be against some law.
I’m not disagreeing with you, just saying that behavior is not the result of some law, but of the morals of those involved.
*are promulgated*
This was exactly my point to pasqui007. Whether this guy agreed or disagreed with the law regarding his obligation to present himself for jury duty is completely immaterial to the law itself, and to his “freedom” to express his opinion. He has every right to disagree…but he must still abide by those laws or face the consequences.
Agreed.
And the law required him to turn up, or fill in a form explaning why he didn’t think that he should.
His reasons seem to be 3 fold:
1) It’s going to cost me money that I can’t afford
2) I don’t agree with the aims of the court (this makes him a bad juror anyway)
3) I’m not willing to put my family at risk (viz. reprisals)
Since when does he have to be polite about it?
Sure enough, anybody who reacts as the man at issue did, needs his state of mind, anxiety level, marital status, and many more applicable-but-nevr-applied check up before being punished. However, the freedom he enjoys does not allow him to get that. That would be an uncalled for human right when a Civic Duty is at stake. No matter how stressed or close to the brink this man has been led to be by the system that has blood-sucked throughout his lifetime, the chance of having his mind checked up is not an option. On the other hand, everything the guy at issue is entitled to as a taxpayer needs double-checking and rerevising
to be elegible for release demands time and money the authorities can’t afford for the sake of justice: It would be time-consuming and they might end with a righteosly chosen jury for a change.
Technically, breaking the law is always wrong. However, in the extreme situations you pointed out, the 'good consequences' outweighs the 'bad consequences'; but you still should be ready to accept those bad consequences for what you did.True enough.
This is a win not a fail
and also
AMEN TO THAT
i can’t read it
*facepalm*
Just shoot me…please.
*shoots you a smile*
*smoooch!*
Woohoo!!
Suddenly the world is a bright, happy place again.
Fail Blog
Fail
Fail Blog calling this a fail.
By not responding to his civic duty he has failed his job as a citizen. It is our responsibility as citizens of our respective nation, to take pride in the justice system we have in place and to participate in its on goings. Failing to do so is disrespectful for the government we the voters put into power. People like this, should not vote for a government that enacts a justice system like this, that or move. As this is the system the government voted in by a majority, by the voice of the people, has. If you are one that didn’t vote, well you know you are in a minority and must A) Lobby your government, and see what support you gain or B) move to a country in which has a system of justice that you do support. By not following the rules of the country you are a part of you are breaking the law, and therefor should not reap any benefits that government provides you, I.e citizenship within that nation, all the rights they provide. This is not a Fail Blog fail, he failed at responding to the call of his civic duty. You sir are in the wrong.
Point of quibble, Emp. No one is in any way obligated to or “responsible” for taking pride in any institution of their country. Our justice system is broken–that is undeniable. I don’t really take pride in a system that enacts racial profiling, or that releases a rapist after a year and a half of jail time while others spend five years in prison on a possession of marijuana charge.
I am, however, obligated by the laws that govern that institution, and so I would most definitely sit on a jury if called to do so.
I agree with you dragon, your system is in need of repair, but the great thing of being a citizen of a democratic government is they give you tools (rights you can exercise) to fix it. Voting for change, I just dislike when people complain about a system though they sit back and let it screw them. I DO NOT MEAN YOU AT ALL. I can almost bet that this gentleman does not participate in elections he is just a complainer ( the man from the affidavit). I firmly believe in taking action in government and doing what I can to change something I am not happy with. Locke argued for the rights of the people, saying if we believe that the government is no longer representing the will of the people the people have the right to over throw that government. The justice system of the USA being directly related to your elections, gives you the people a greater impact on how it acts. Meaning if you dislike how punishment is being laid out, vote in someone stiffer on crime. I am not telling you how to vote, I hope you take it in good faith that I am not trying to be irksome at all. I just wanted to say that, if you do not agree with what your government currently is doing, three options are available, vote for change, lobby or leave. Its almost like those that complain about what we talk about in these comments, no one forces them to be here or read them, so they can just leave and let us continue doing our thing.
Because we all know that most laws that changed for the good started with democracy, isn’t it?
Nope, these things started by disobeying laws, protest, strikes, not standing up for white people in the bus…. etc etc etc.
The things you stated, the methods they used, all given rights by democracy, the right to protest and strike. Though you would be hard pressed to back up comparison of the refusal of jury duty to the with-holding of rights of certain people. Those are different topics. I’m talking about what we don’t like about our current governments in respect to small things not giant movements.
I had no issue with what you were saying about this particular person in the fail. Enacting change usually comes with a price, and many are not willing to pay it.
I only took issue with the fact that you claimed we are obligated to have pride in our justice system. I do not believe that is true at all.
That, was my emotions rather than logic speaking, but I will say that if I don’t have pride in the system, I know something must be done to change it, I am willing to accept the price because in the end I will have peace of mind.
You have pride in a system where the lobbies of certain
branches of industrtry outweight the power of the human
himself?
Behind those lobbies, in those industries are the group of people with a bone to pick that want it fixed.
“emotions rather than logic”
That’s what most juries are like…..
You would make a perfect example of the common jury.
They are not asked to be perfect and impartial judges, that is why we have judges, they are asked to see what the public wants the accused should be handled. So it is acceptable, but don’t pick out a sentence part of the grander picture.
This is WIN!
No it’s EPIC WIN!
Seconded. All in favor of changing to win?
Although this guy could use some social tact, I think most people can agree with what he said. I was forced into jury duty, even though I explained it put me in hardship to have to miss work without pay in this current economy. They completely ignored my request, as apparently they did the first time he did. I don’t know about in Montana, but in Oregon, they pay you something like $15 for a full day of jury duty. If they at least paid minimum wage, it wouldn’t be so insulting to be forced into this service or else be put in jail.
In Ohio, we’re paid a piddly sum by the court, but our employers have to make up the difference.
If you want freedom…you earn it. Sitting on a jury isn’t that big a sacrifice. I did my 3 days last year and I am self-employed. Yeah, there is a chance for a major crime and 3 weeks of duty but I think anyone with this guys attitude should be drop kicked to Afghanistan.
If by “freedom” you mean “going to jail for smoking pot while Dick Cheney gets away with torture and murder” then yes, I agree completely.
Sitting on a jury is a massive sacrifice when you become impoverished, homeless, and starved as a result. People living paycheck-to-paycheck cannot afford to spend six months on a jury while not even being paid enough to cover the direct cost of getting to the court, let alone basic living expenses.
That is utter injustice. That is contempt for every honest, hard-working American that is put through such hardship to support such a blatantly corrupt system of “justice”.
that’s a win
Jail for contempt WIN! Your cellmates are your new family.
Well, well, well… After all is said and done, silence uncovers how free everyone is…
In America you’re forced to be in the jury? (and yes, I realize that’s rarely, like once a year at most). Lol, how does that ever work? How can they expect a judge to be fair if there are people sitting there against their will? They don’t care about the person being judged, they care about the case being closed as soon as possible. I’m sure there are people there who like it, but for every person who liked it a person who doesn’t like it sits there.
If I were that person, I would stay polite in my choice of words and phrases, but go for the more direct approach: still go to court, and while sitting in the judge, expressing I don’t care about the trial and will not judge the person, but take a random answer. Then some “uncontrollable” yawns and sitting there having problems keeping my eyes open, and looking around as if I’m distracted by everything.
The purpose of jury duty is not so you can have fun. Just go when you're called; do your duty as a citizen, and hope that if you ever go on trial you don't have a douchebag like you sitting in the jury.No such thing as “jury duty” in The Netherlands
We do have other crap though, like piss-low salaries for students and obligated health insurance for 18 and up (WTF? People who need it will take insurance anyway, and people who don’t need it pay more money than they’ll see the insurance company using to help them. Damn thieves).
No such thing as “jury duty” in The Netherlands
We do have other crap though, like obligated health insurance for 18+.
Wow, I’m not even allowed to say the C word that ends with AP, or else my comment won’t show up???
I live in the Netherlands, where we don’t have such a thing like “jury duty”. We do have other… stuff… though, like obligated health insurance for 18+ while many people don’t need that (read: they pay more in total than they see back from the insurance, something they already know).
Yes, we’ve seen this three times now. Click the “show all” button and your posts will show up.
He can’t see your comment, Dragon, unless he hits “show all”, and he doesn’t know to hit that, unless he sees your comment… See below.
*facepalm*
…and *snork!*
Snorkity snork snork!
Same person, new name. Comment didn’t show everytime, maybe because of the name, maybe because of other things.
We don’t have jury duty here in The Netherlands. We do have other nonsense though, like obligated health insurance. Many people lose more money on that than they gain.
If you don’t have juries, how are cases decided? Bench trials only? How undemocratic!
And there are ways of getting out of jury duty. Perfectly legitimate ones. In most states, ‘undue economic hardship’ is an acceptable plea; had the person in the OP stated his case with a little more class, taste, and respect, he would have been granted his request and not gone to jail.
Most cases are civil cases. In that case, the person should’ve coughed up the fine and MOVED ON.
I don’t mind being a juror for the more extreme cases, but I find being a juror for a case such as a man refusing to take a breathalyser test (the last case I was on) ridiculous. That man should’ve coughed up the damn fine and moved on with his life, instead of forcing other people to get out of work to come and judge him.
PS: He shouldn’t have been drinking and driving in the first place, nor should’ve he been driving in such a way as to make the police *think* he was drinking and driving or driving under the influence.
I know, I know,… it’s better to be warm in the shelter of a cell following orders down to the letter than out in the cold freedom that compels building a shelter on your own in order not to freeze to death.
We keep forgetting those we look up to and annually celebrate gave up their lives so that we could get… uh, I guess I forgot what it was. It started with F…
What a civic duty fail. Good on the judge for calling him in for contempt, he absolutely SHOULD have served jail time. With an attitude like that, he doesn’t deserve his freedom! I hope no jurors show up if he ever gets accused of a crime! Also, somebody apparently doesn’t realize that jury duty is PAID! DUH.
Also, if a trial is big enough to warrant a grand jury… it’s probably going to be an interesting trial. I’d LOVE to serve jury duty. What a welcome break from work!
It is reduced pay, but you are still guaranteed your job when you return. Like maternity leave without the weight gain or the child.
unless you’re self employed, or your absence has caused your employer to collapse.
A grand jury is the jury that decides whether someone will be brought to trial. They’re sequestered for a period of time, not allowed to read papers, watch TV, listen to the radio, etc. to keep them from hearing/reading anything that might influence their decision. I sat on one in Cleveland for three weeks. It was a fascinating experience.
The difference between a full day in work and a full day in jury might make the difference between having gas for heating, money for rent etc. While his tone is contemptuous, it is likely that he rationally explained his situation in his first response and that he was met with no remorse.
This is a fail in civil duty, and a fail in patience on his part, but most definitely a win in PERSONAL duty, to himself and his family.
Unless he was just lieing about not being able to afford to take a day off.
Agreed. Personally, I wouldn’t do jury duty because I’m not obligated in any way to do it, especially for a judicial system that’s trash to begin with. The government has no right to force anyone to do jury duty, None at all.
OK, you don’t like our judicial system. Fair enough. What would you put in its place? What they have in Saudi Arabia? Or China? Or North Korea?
Oh, and ‘itsme’ invest in a dictionary and find out the real definition of ‘remorse.’ I think the word you were trying for was ‘recourse’, although that isn’t quite right either.
“Look out captain, false dichotomy at 12 o’clock!”
“Activate the logic drive, maybe that will destroy it!”
There’s a lot of that going around.
*sips on some tea and tries to find the temper she just lost*
Yes, nothing like a discourse on civil duty and patriotism to bring out people’s rational sides.
f-bomb has trashed our (admittedly flawed) system, but is unwilling to suggest an alternative. That some sort of system is necessary is self-evident. What, then, would he prefer? I suggested some other models; he is free to choose different ones. But the question is legitimate–if we are to get rid of the current system, what will we put in its place?
I’d have the judge do the judging instead of a jury. The judge has presumably seen more cases and has more experience in giving people what they properly deserve.
Actually, in some states, employers don’t have to pay you when you’re at jury duty. In mine, they don’t. When I was forced into it, I made 40 dollars for 4 lost days of work.
I would have made a considerable amount more than that, had it not come up.
Moving on from that, I already pay taxes on everything I purchase, I pay taxes on my house, I pay taxes on the car I already paid taxes on when I bought it, I pay taxes on my luxuries, such as alcohol and cigarettes, and I pay taxes on every dollar I earn.
My “civic duty” ends there. If you want me to perform nearly unpaid labor for the government, stop taxing me.
This guy isn’t a fail. He’s pure, unadulterated win.
plus i hate the “justice” system too (see “… And Justice For All” by “Metallica”) so i really dont blame him.
i agree though.
This guy is god damn win.
Agreed.
Absolutely. Affidavit WIN!
So you want to fired, and have the FBI keep an audit on your employment accounts, take money out of your retirement, and when someone sell the list of the guys who didn’t show up for jury duty to the man who was automatically convicted guilty because of this to burn down your home and ruin your life?
The government is the government. The justice ’system’ keeps shit straight so when you’re six-year-old son runs outside naked, he won’t get hanged for being possessed by the devil.
Dumbass.
Why didn’t they block the guy’s name from the affidavit? J/w
That’s a WIN for me~!
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=56+tulip+dr,+gallatin+county&sll=45.58329,-111.121216&sspn=3.006421,6.086426&ie=UTF8&ll=45.795746,-111.20666&spn=0.012058,0.023775&z=16
there’s enough info on that form to find the guy’s house
privacy fail
And to those of you who fink on your civic duties, stop paying taxes and move somewhere else.
If I pay taxes, I ought to be able to fink on my civic duties. Kthanxbye.
It should be “dog’s balls” due to the possessive application to balls.
This is a comment on Blog Ninja (Blogmonster) who commented on me. However, Failblog keeps failing on posting my response.
I live in The Netherlands, no such thing as “jury duty” here
We do have other nonsense though, like obligated health insurance which costs most people more money than they need the insurance company to pay for them.
*facepalm*
We saw this the FIRST five times you posted it!
Huh!? Why don’t I see my responses then? They’re still not there
My technicians say they are.
…Aaaaahh!!…I can’t see my face!!…
You forgot about the piss-low salaries for students.
Your students get SALARIES?? OMG. Here, our students have to wait tables and
work in the university libraries for next-to-nothing.
This is a WIN if I ever say one.
You just said ‘one’, so apparently this is a win.
More like an epic win.
Justice System Win
Ok, we’ll leave you fu**ing alone.
I’d rather say win for this one.
if the guy is self employed then he cant get time off work and still be payed
I’ve just been called, and though as a teacher I could defer it, I’m happy to serve. I think it’s a shame how true this quote is:
“When you go into court, you are putting your fate into the hands of twelve people who weren’t smart enough to get out of jury duty”
Norm Crosby
Misdirection – it’s your only hope.
This is a win
Well this guy has huge balls
…according to the response card the dog has balls…and Erik has surveyed them…
Win
…
Well, with how many small businesses are in this area (I’m about a 4 hour drive from this man), it’s quite possible that he truly can’t afford the time off. Many places around here don’t pay for jury days, and other places are self owned.
For what it’s worth – the city paper did an article on this guy and he really did get out of jury duty, though he did get a lecture from the judge. Oh, and it wasn’t the guy who wrote the letter, it was his wife. They figured that he’d either get out of it, or get thrown in jail.
This is not a fail, definitely a WIN. (especially if he gets out of jury duty)
Don’t you guys get it?!?! They only put these pics here to watch us fail in the comments, hence the name failblog.
If you want to get out of Jury Duty just say something racist.
so Americans are obligated to do this crap? and get arrested if you dont go? i thought this country was about freedom, lol!
…the freedom to live with complete fcsking strangers…
Rights imply responsibilities! Crack a book for once.
Serving six months on a jury—while being paid less than the cost of getting to court—is not a responsibility. Becoming broke, homeless, and hungry as a result of jury duty is not a responsibility.
That is economic rape of the American people.
I imagine the vast majority of trials last less than ONE month. I don’t think I’ve ever HEARD of one going for six months. Where did you get this idea, from the movies?
Or the OJ Simpson trial, maybe?
I’d call this one a win
Isnt this a WIN! ?
How’s this a FAIL? I’d call it EPIC WIN.
Totally! major EPIC WIN!! that guy rocks
I don’t know what’s funnier.. The fail, or the fact that he had that NOTARIZED. I wonder what the notary thought after reading that?
His zip code is still on the letter. I think you should take this down and blur it out…
I love all of the self-righteous f**ks here who babble on about “civic duty” and “it’s not that big a deal to lose a day of work”, blah blah blah. Let me tell you about the time I got a jury duty notice and the reason why I decided to completely blow it off.
I found out that for each day of jury duty (and there’s something to remember, you pompous asses–if you get chosen for the jury, it’s rarely just ONE day of jury duty), I would get paid roughly as much as I would for an hour and a half at my job. So, say I had to serve for an entire work week–that would be a week where I made less than I would have in one eight-hour shift.
I don’t know exactly what you folks sitting on your high horses make in a week, but I’m in a situation where:
* if I miss one day’s pay, things are a little tight for the next paycheck.
* if I miss two or three days’ pay, I’ll probably have to go to a payday loan place to make up the difference.
* if I miss more than that, I’m pretty much f***ed for that paycheck.
So basically, depending on the length of service, I would have been running the risk of being unable to pay bills or even pick up groceries for that week.
How about all of you “civic-minded” dolts who apparently have money to burn think about the situations the rest of us are in before you cast judgement, eh?
I bet you’d make a lot more money living in a country where the government could arrest you without warning or cause. Especially if the only person who would hear your case would be a government puppet. Iran much?
Do you think that we like getting paid $12 a day to hear mind numbing lawyers babble on about eyesight or some other nonsense? No, of course not. The point is, when the government falsely accuses you of a crime, a lot of people would rather have twelve people not employed by that same government deciding our fate and not a judge. If you can’t go a day or two without missing work than: 1) you can claim a hardship 2) you need to start saving more money, cause if you get sick, you’re screwed.
I don’t sit on a high horse, but I’ve actually educated myself on the Bill of Rights.
In case you didn’t notice, we are currently in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. My savings are running out at a frightening rate, and I’m sure most people’s ran out months ago, assuming they ever made enough to build up savings to begin with.
Moreover, the criminal justice system is already severely imbalanced. Pot smokers go to jail while Dick Cheney gets away with torture and murder. Plus the pot smokers cannot afford to be represented by anyone other than a public defender, who works for the same government that is charging the pot smoker in the first place!
Pennyforth is right. Get the hell off your high horse.
…YEAH!!!…If it kills you JUST FCSKING LIVE WITH IT, MAN!!!…
I agree with you. It does ..well, suck to do this and lose wages. And I do understand that being without work (I was for 3 1/2 months) and how it is hard to save money (I was barely out of college right during this down fall of the economy) so I didn’t have any savings.
But if I had to be judged by anyone if falsely accused for something I didn’t do, I want someone who isn’t a glorified hitler who just happens to hate my race, gender, or beliefs and decides I did do it.
“Undue Economic Hardship” is grounds for being released from jury duty. If he had refrained from gratuitous vulgarity, he probably would have gotten it.
In case you didn’t notice, we are currently in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Jury duty for six months would qualify as “undue economic hardship” for almost everyone in the country.
Way to go, man! He sure told them!
[does anybody know if he got away with it?]
Sounds like life’s pretty rough-and-tough on Tulip Avenue.
Somebody was considerate enough to white-out the name of Mr. Slye’s city, but they LEFT HIS ZIP CODE IN PLAIN SIGHT…
It’s public record, he was cited for contempt of court because of this, so even if they took his name out he can be found through the search engines.
I enjoy knowing he either had to grovel before the judge or be jailed for 20 days, which surely would be a bigger hardship than taking a morning off work to show up and explain hardship.
I think everyone who says they ‘don’t believe’ in our justice system (and don’t want to be bothered with Jury Duty) should be able to sign a piece of paper stating if they are ever arrested they agree to skip the whole trial ordeal and be thrown directly in jail, because basically they don’t want to be bothered with their civic duty, so why should they themselves be a burden to others.
Considering that you generally have to have a good reason to be arrested in this country, and considering that I obey the laws set to me by the government, I’d be willing to sign that paper as the odds of me going to jail are slim to none.
this isnt a fail, it is an epic win!
I agree with D. That’s not a Fail, that’s an Epic Win! Fight the power!!
Nobody else notices that this jackass’ address is entirely searchable on mapquest?
I agree, this is a total WIN, for sure…
I say this guy can be excused from jury duty, and the cops, fire department, EMTs, and postal carriers can be excused from visiting his house too. It’s called civilization, dude, try it sometime…
that is an epic win for that guy, assuming it’s not illegal…
This guy is a dick. It isn’t about Civic Duty, it is just about common respect. “I am unable to perform my duties due to my economic hardship” (or whatever his reason) is how you get out of jury duty. This guy was an arrogant ass, acted in contempt of court, and was cited for contempt of court. Yes, this affidavit was an utter fail.
Well, here in California (yeah, I know – different part of the world).. unless that jury notice is sent certified and you signed for it (which they don’t), tossing it away places a burden of proof on the courts to show that you did, in fact, get said notice.
Civic duty aside. I am self-employed. If I don’t work for a week, I don’t get paid for that week. $20 a day and 50¢ a mile ONE WAY isn’t removing the hardship. Besides, in Los Angeles, it’s hard to consider the trash in the court system “peers”. When they can make this less of a hit financially, then I’ll do my duty – until then, jury notices get round filed.
why is his/her name different on their signature than on the statement line?
“I, Erik Anthony Syle, being first duly sworn upon oath…”
Signature: Susan McHedrick
eh?
That looks like a notary’s signature. If you look at the top of the letter, it says “I, Erik Anthony Slye…” and the signature underneath the written part looks like “Erik” (can’t read the last name). Down below that looks like a notary stamp and the signature of someone witnessing his statement.
i don’t live in the US and i think it’s ridiculous to put random people in a jury, especially when i read so many people commenting this as a win.
civic duty…unbelievable…just unbelievable.
yep… a group of people that don’t know shit about law and are just there to see what lawyer can manipulate them best… no wonder innocent people end up in jail
The truly sad part: If someone *does* know a bit about the law, they aren’t chosen for jury duty, based on the fact they won’t be easily manipulated.
1′d for being a win
A poor representation of my fair state
If you are self-employed and freelance, wouldn’t the argument about putting his families well being at stake be valid?
Yeah, only I don’t see that argument in the letter. All I see is a bunch of whining.
I’m sure the guy will get a second shot at explaining it at his contempt of court hearing, though. Hope he tried picking up some basic adult social skills before talking to the judge or the next post will be called Jail Fail.
“I CANNOT take time off from work. I’m not putting my familys wellbeing at stake to participate in this crap.”
this is a win, jury duty blows.
The one case where Civic Duty Fail turns into a Sticking-it-to-the-Man Epic WIN!!!!!
Boy, the judge is going to really enjoy sticking this guys ass in jail. Double fail.
SHUT THE HELL UP!
Hmmm. I wonder hoq it turned out for him? Someone should write him a letter and ask. Seeing as his address is written there right next to his name. XD
civic duty or not, this is hilarious. i give it a win.
thats a total win
This is NOT a fail.
HA! Funny as hell but he needs to suck it up and just get the krap over with. Its the bitter part of being an American. Don’t want to participate in being any America? Well.. get the hell out of here and find your precious “Job” elsewhere. See how well your Family takes to that!
Fail: whiting out the name of the town, but not the zip code.
reminds me so much of that bonus song in Avenue Q:
“Tear it up and throw it away!”
Fail? Are you kidding? That person is made pure WIN for speaking his (her?) damn mind about an outdated (and frickin’ stupid) system.
‘Nuff said.
FAIL FAIL
Legal WIN!
In Italy you do get a jury (Corte d’Assise) made up by 6 common persons plus 2 professional judges (yes they work and judge together), but only for severe crimes like homicide and such. Those 6 are randomly chosen, but they don’t HAVE TO accept: you can freely refuse, without any explanation being required.
If only they’d allow that here (USA).
“I would rather count the wrinkles on my dogs balls than sit on a jury”
This quote’s style seems familiar. This guy must be an Angry Video Game Nerd Fan :p.
Family first, man.
Why doesn’t he just tell them how he really feels?
This gut is an IDIOT. When he goes to trial for contempt, will he have to return to his cell because no one ESLE wanted to serve on the jury? “Well, we’ll see if any comes tomorrow!” *SLAM*
This guy is a real, live FAIL.
hilarious, its more like an epic win however.
As we all know, Justice is blindfold. We are not. Asking of us to apply justice in an altered state of mind is unfair, as in this man’s case. Whether he is jailed or not, it is an undeniable WIN, for he exercised the so-called freedom he’s suposed to enjoy. Arguably enough, his choice of words was shallow and hasty. It’s hard to tell the circumstances he wrote the affidavit in. Further info is required. Anyhow, he had the right to complain, and so is in free countries around the world.
This is fail? I call this win! D:
its half win half fail, i dont care what you say, this guy is an idiot
THIS IS SO OLD. i heard this 2 weeks ago
This certainly isn’t what I’d call G-rated
G for Gruesome, Gorey, and Gnarley.
If I missed any tell me!
AHAHAHA I live in Gallatin County. Bozemanites FTW.
Whoops, just saw the zip code, it’s actually Belgrade. Well, Montanans FTW anyways. We’re badasses here.
THis was just on the Colbert Report, apparently he got hauled into court to apologize to the judge and was then allowed to excuse himself form jury duty.
dangit
you beat me to it
omg!
i was watching the colbert report and he started talking about this letter on his show
Hey Colbert Report whaaaat!!!
now steven colbert is interveiwing some guy
NOT A FAIL!!! He got out of the Jury Duty! He had to go before a judge to answer for his rude behavior and WAS THE EXCUSED FROM JURY DUTY!!!
COLBERT WIN!!! XD
What are the odds Colbert got his info from this site?
2 a.m. colbertoholic. <- ( a conjugate of truthiness )
I thought more people would be commenting about this, guess not..
Featured on the Colbert Report!!
Although this guy had the right idea, it was kind of a stupid way to go about it. The best way to get out of jury duty is to prove to the judge that you are so unbelievably biased in the case that you shouldn’t be on the jury.
I think a fitting punishment for this kind of reply would be to make the person do jury duty. However, they cannot contribute, only sit and watch seeing as how they would likely be hostile. However, technically this would fulfill their civic duty.
I dont see how this is fail this is GREAT! the guy is so blunt and truthful!
MASSIVE WIN.
Colbert Report Win
This was on last night’s colbert report!:D
omg! this is where i live
I agree whole heartedly that counting the wrinkles on my dog’s balls is great fun…and I completely understand how he could get upset that people are trying to keep him from such an arousing task.
However, I also find great joy in having power over others. What better way than having a say in whether someone has to go to prison, get a lethal injection, or even just pay some giant fine?
this is more of a win
Civic Duty. We all hate it.
Win, win, win. Apparently this guy not only got off jury duty, he was also named Stephen Colbert’s Alpha Dog of the Week.
God, I love Montana.
Ah… Montana… Isn’t that where all the survivalists and anarchists go? With a houseful of guns and canned food?
come on, he would get up to 2 weeks PAID leave from work, it is legally required that his job will pay IN FULL for the time he missed. Ironically that requirement was institutionalized by the justice system. But I’m glad he did get off jury duty, man’s a idiot.
This guy is AWESOME. He is my idol.
And no, the last poster is incorrect, all states do not require that you get paid for jury duty. In NJ I think you get like $10 a day. Try to live on that if you get stuck on a 6 month trial.
dude… he got it notarized.
Looks like a win to me.
Um, the person who wrote this isn’t a guy. It is a woman. Hence the name, Susan. She’s got some balls, though, that’s for sure!
are u sure?
i want to see a picture of this dude/dudet as proof.
There are a few ways to legitimately get out of jury duty, including but not limited to it being a financial hardship (small business owners…It doesn’t matter for us if we “get the day off without repercussions”…We still end up losing customers and money), and mental handicap. Due to my rather serious ADHD, I’ve gotten out of jury duty because I honestly didn’t feel I could do the job properly. I fulfill my civic duties in other ways, though. This jerk, however, has no clue just how awful his life would be without our judiciary system.
What’s wrong with our justice system?
Fail? This is Win if I ever saw one.
HELL YES!
haha this guy wins!
I think he should have had to read the note to his boss and let him/her decide if the guy should go to jury duty and earn minimal pay, or stay home and count the wrinkles and earn nothing.
Or c) Work and earn his normal pay.
I want to count the wrinkles on my dogs balls.
yum
This is so win!
Jeebiz…can we say “contempt of court”?
FAIL
Did it work?
i like the part about the dog balls :]
My mom got five jury duty summons in the past two years. every time she had to go to court, wait her turn, then finally tell the judge/lawyer that she wasn’t a citizen. and therefore could not serve on a jury.
It was a pain in the ass, but she still did it.
this guy on the other hand, is a douche.
he could have been civil and simply say that he couldn’t afford to take time off o work, and they probably would have let him go.
who want to start a flame war?
First Post!
FAIL!
Failblog – FAIL!
Not cool, ppl.
Someone please blur this dumb man’s name and address!
As KC mentioned, the author of the document is a woman named Susan, not a man.
FTW.
Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but the guy actually got out of Jury Duty with his letter. With no wrist slap or anything, just a ‘okay, no jury duty for you then.’
Of course, it makes sense, seeing as he wouldn’t have made a safe jury member given his attitude and all.
That’s a WIN.
You are all missing the point.. He tried to get out of ONE day of jury duty by blowing off his obligations as a citizen of this country. He got caught and could now spend 20 days in jail for it. Thats his own fault. He could have shown up for jury duty and explained the economic hardship and they would have likely let him out of it, but he wants to make a “point”. Point? FAIL.
people fight for your rights…go oversees and risk their lives and you won’t participate in the justice sytem!!!! screw you!!!!
You still get paid even if you miss work to do jury duty.
The real FAIL is that you’re not properly compensated. Out here in Eng-er-land, you are in line for selection for two weeks and generally see one case. If your employer isn’t paying you (generally the case for waged or the self-employed) you get repaid for loss of earnings at your usual rate, up to £50/day. Not only that, but the average trial is 3-4 days. The judge will know in advance if the case will last longer than a couple of weeks, and as soon as the candidates are lined up in court the judge will say it’s a long case. In that situation even if you are called to a seat you can refuse to sit and aren’t required to explain yourself.
WIN!!!
More a win than a fail, actually.
Even worse, It took me 5 minutes to figure out what it said.
I look down afterwards and realize it has been typed out for me to read. haha
My husband got called 3 times in one year. One lasted a day, another lasted 3 days and the third lasted 2 weeks. That third time was a serious financial strain on our family and we ended up loosing stuff that we needed just so we could buy food. Jury duty is like slavery and the justice system sucks – it is not like victims or defendants actually get justice. Everyone on both sides gets screwed and so do the jurors. The only winners here are our beloved government!
The third time, he should’ve claimed financial hardship.
But, I imagine you’re not from the US. These days, you only have to go for one day, and if you’re not selected, you’re still counted as serving your duty and you don’t have to go back into the pool for another six years. At least, that’s the way it is in New York.
As an attorney who has actually tried cases to a jury, I can tell everyone with near certainty that one of the first things asked of potential jurors is whether or not they have any reason for wishing NOT to serve on the jury, including financial hardship. Most times, you’re not actually going to be excused right away if your answer is, “I have to work because my family needs the money,” but if you are self-employed and/or running a business, that is usually going to be a good enough. Also, even though the guy/gal that says they cannot possibly give up a day or two of minimum wage to serve is not going to be summarily dismissed by the judge, the lawyers and judge will generally strike that person later in chambers for an obvious reason: no one wants a jury tainted or derailed by someone who does not want to be there.
Another thing that strikes me is how quickly people on this board are to ridicule the jury system. I’ve talked to lots of jurors before and after the fact. Most come away thinking that the experience was valuable, even if it was an inconvenience. And, I can most assuredly say that as flawed as the justice system is, it would be completely unbearable without the real life experience and sensibility that jurors bring into the mix. Judges and lawyers– usually men and women who devote their lives to studying the law– are not nearly as capable as rendering “justice” as twelve ordinary people from different walks of life. The absolute beauty of our justice system is that it empowers the average citizen to have a real voice as to what is right and wrong.
I understand all too well that there are too many laws, too much bureaucrazy (misspelling intentional), and too little entertainment in the real justice system to compete with the Hollywood version everyone thinks passes for real justice, but before you go trashing the system or suggesting a complete overhaul, consider for a moment what kind of “justice” there would be if there was no jury standing between you and your government or mediating disputes between you and someone whose negligence ruined your life.
I, for one, have much more faith in the wisdom of twelve people to hear the evidence and decide the case than any judge, lawyer, politician or media newscaster I’ve ever met. And, while I would never go so far as to say that jury duty should be compulsory upon anyone, I have no difficulty saying with absolute certainty that the guy from Montana who wrote the affidavit is an emotional disturbed individual who I would never want on any jury.
It’s not an issue about citizenship or gender. It’s an issue of civility. This “gentleman” clearly lacks it and clearly has no appreciation for the fact that he lives in a country that gives him a right to have a say in how the law operates. Granted, it’s not a perfect right, and we’d all be better off if the laws that rule this country made more sense, but the right to a jury is the only thing standing between the rights of the individual and the oppressive power of the State in a lot of situations. The fact that this guy– and many of the posters on this board– do not seem to realize this, is why his vitriolic response to a civilized request is a massive FAIL.
Over 92%-(96%?) of convicts are repeat offenders.(courtesy of crime stoppers information)
Our justice system FAILS in itself.What percentage of people are responsible for the convicts entry into society?Jurors?Judges?Laywers?And some of you actually WONDER why people don’t want anything to do with jury duty.If the jury allows the conviction to be 3 years in jail for the rape and killing of a little girl,then is it the jurys fault,or our “justice system”?
Juries decide guilt or innocence. Judges determine sentencing. Legislators determine the minimum and maximum sentences for each crime in most states, with little actual discretion being afforded to the judges. This is generally referred to as “grid” sentencing, and prior criminal history elevates your grid as well as your punishment. In the federal system all sentencing in criminal matters is based upon grids.
You should seriously attempt to educate yourself before spreading ridiculous crap like this in any forum. FAIL
how is this not a win?
WIN.
I remember seeing this on Chelsea Lately.
If you guys like FAILs, watch that show ;D
lol owned
That is a WIN!
Thats not a fail….thats an EPIC WINN!!!!!!
This guy rules
i wonder if they came after him for this.
My HERO.
That’s not a fail, that’s a WIN!
win win win
This is actually a misunderstood WIN!!
Apparently blocking out the F word is good of you, but dropping a GD on your site is acceptable? Come on now.
I have feeling that guy will become quite familiar with the justice system!
why is this a fail? its awesome