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  1. Hmmmm says:

    No FAIL like a pizza lunch…

    • Beren says:

      The fail is weak in this one.

    • lilfox says:

      This is not a fail at all.

      To attract people that are not Muslim, and who would just like to learn more about Islam, yes, they can have a pizza lunch. Muslims are not stupid. And just because they fast and will not eat at this time, does not mean that they can not offer to anyone else, or that they can not be in the same room as someone eatting.

      It is also a custom during the time of Ramadan, to feed the hungry and clothe the poor. But when they feed the hungry, they dont care who you are or what religion you are, or are not. They send money to groups in America that need funding to support their charities. They send money to the homeless shelters.

      I think a few more people should have stopped in for that lunch before they posted here. I am not Muslim, but my Husband and his family are. I asure you I still eat pork and bacon, and I keep it in my house. And I will eat in front of them while they are fasting. It does not bother them a bit.

      • hunt says:

        lighten up

        • fuzz on the concept says:

          Would that more folks here expressed themselves as reasonably and in as “enlightened” a manner as lilfox has.

          Though I guess a big boor who goes by “hunt” can’t be expected to really appreciate an intelligent lilfox.

      • Mazza says:

        Not to mention, that this may have been prior to Ramadan, or even after. As far as I know, people tend to want to learn about the actual event, and what to do in the event, before it happens, so they can be prepared.

      • choosilicious says:

        I have this feeling, that the date given here, is BEFORE Ramadhan. Makes Sense?

    • Ur_Retarded says:

      either way… its not a fail. if you took a theology class in college, you’d know that Ramadan is in November, and the seminar is in september… sorry to ruin this one, but i had to.

      • TMI Service says:

        Sorry, but you failed to pay attention in class.

        The date for the month of Ramadan is determined by a lunar calendar. Its occurrence thus shifts a week or so each year in comparison to a solar one. In 2008, the year for the poster in the above picture, Ramadan was in September. This year, 2009, Ramadan will begin on August 21st.

    • Ur_Retarded says:

      there is no way this is a fail. Ramadan is in November, and this seminar is in september.. the only fail on this page is my 2 comments… sry to ruin this one but i had to.

  2. Bratenboy says:

    hmmm pizza

  3. Arc says:

    Somewhat amusing, poster implicitly means that it’s for non-Muslim audiences…

    • choosilicious says:

      Makes sense. It could be for, maybe people who converted to Islam, a small community. They will learn to fast. But not likely.

  4. Biff says:

    That’s not a fail. They are teaching Ramadan, not going through it. FAIL of a fail.

    • dude says:

      Ramadan ran from (roughly) 2008-09-01 through 2008-09-30, so they were “going through it” at the time.

    • Dragonwriter says:

      Did you look at the date of the seminar?

      Did it give you some sort of a hint as to why this is more of a fail than you think?

      You go ahead…I’ll wait while you figure it out…

      • Loz says:

        I don’t see your point. People aren’t allowed to learn about Islam on the day before the anniversary of 9/11?

        • spazmataz says:

          Ramadan runs from 01 Sept – 01 Oct this year

          • spazmataz says:

            I think

            • Loz says:

              Biff’s point (I assume) was that the class is to learn about Ramadan, not to participate in it.

              • Malfeasant says:

                ding ding ding ding vooga vooga
                loz gets the cookie

              • spazmataz says:

                Yep. To duplicate my discussion with someone else on Windshield Wiper Fail:
                “Because the flyer was advertising an educational lunch rather than a special Ramadan ham topped pizza offer.”

              • Biff says:

                Yeah that’s pretty much what I meant. First, we don’t even know if the people teaching this class are Muslim. We do know that most likely the people coming to learn aren’t. This appears to simply be a cultural class designed to help people learn about one aspect of the Islamic faith. These kind of classes go on all over the US, especially since the whole terrorist scare, as a method to try and alleviate peoples fear of Muslims through education. Hell, at my local university there is a professor who holds a Masters degree in Religious studies, but he is an atheist. He teaches these kinds of classed all the time. Although I find it kind of strange to have someone telling others what people believe and why, when they have no real basis to understand those beliefs.

                • Dragonwriter says:

                  Hah…I just came back and read this thread. My apologies, I misunderstood the original post. I was confuzzled by the idea that people weren’t going through Ramadan…during Ramadan!

                  But you make a fair point here.

                  • thepowerofblue says:

                    I still think it’s a FAIL even if the seminar is purely educational. It seems kind of counter-intuitive to have somebody doing the opposite of what you’re trying to teach them about.

  5. Anonymous Coward says:

    Ramadan is about fasting during the daytime; eating after the sun sets is permitted, IIRC. So, that’d be why the pizza thing starts at midnight, surely?

    Submission FAIL? (and comment FAIL on my part?)

    • fluffy says:

      That’s what I was thinking, but it starts at noon and goes ’till 1 pm.

    • N Owen says:

      Telling-Time Fail. 12 PM is noon, 12 AM is midnight.

      • coyote says:

        To be precise, there are no standards for 12 PM and 12 AM. This is why we say 12 noon and 12 midnight.

        • Biff says:

          What do you mean there are no standards? 12PM happens in the middle of the day. 12AM in the middle of the night. That IS the only standard.

        • Biff says:

          AM = Ante Meridiem. It is Latin and means “before noon”
          PM = Post Meridiem. It is Latin and means “after noon”
          Noon = 12PM therefore Midnight = 12AM

          • coyote says:

            Blast! They filtered my link. I shall try again. npl.co.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.1055

            If that fails again just go to the UK National Physics Laboratory websites FAQ section.

            It is a bit like zero being neither positive nor negative.

            • Biff says:

              Well I don’t know what the major malfunction of the UK’s National Physics Laboratory is, but once again a group of intelligent people prove just how dumb they can be. When the twelve hour clock was devised, and later revised, there were certain things put in place as to how it functions. For example, it is based on 24 hours a day, each hour is 60 minutes, each minute is 60 seconds, etc. And Noon = 12PM whereas Midnight = 12AM. That is how it was designed and defined. Now they could have said there were 20 hours a day with a hundred minutes an hour and a hundred seconds a minute and developed a ten hour clock, but they didn’t. (Of course that would have necessitated different lengths of time term) Likewise they set Noon = 12PM and Midnight = 12AM. They could have done it the other way around, but they didn’t. This was the convention used, period. The problem isn’t that there was no standard set, because there was, the problem is that people are dumb and have trouble understanding this. By standard, midnight = 12AM and is the start of a new day. You can think of it this way, 12 on a twelve hour clock can be thought of as zero. That makes it a little easier to understand the standard. Now they could have made zero the standard on the clock instead of twelve, but they didn’t. There is a standard, the problem is people don’t know the standard (including at least some UK physicists) and get confused.

              • Biff says:

                My apologizes for picking on UK physicists. A quick check has reveled that that US physicists are also suffering from this attack of the dumbs. Apparently these scientists are over thinking this and getting themselves all confused instead of simply using the standards set forth. I think the problem is that this standard is one of convention instead of a quantifiable one.

                • Biff says:

                  I’ve been trying to figure out why these, one would assume, intelligent scientists seem to have problems with such a simple conventional standard. I now wonder if it is due to the International System of Units aka Le Système International d’Unités that was developed in the 1960’s. From what I can see that system never set a convention for the terms of 12PM and 12AM, and since they threw out all the old conventions, maybe that is what causes the problem. The US has never officially adopted the International System of Units, so we still use the old standard were it was defined. However, certain parts of US society have adopted the Si despite the fact that the country hasn’t. The scientific community for example all use Si. That would explain why the US physicists also have a problem with the standard, it doesn’t seem to exist in Si! Pretty bad oversight by the people who formed the Si.

                  • coyote says:

                    Okay Biff I will try to use small, common words that you may understand me. Ante Meridiem does indeed mean before noon. Before, not during. Post means after, not during. At the moment of transition (sorry, change) it is exactly noon. Not before noon, AM; nor after noon, PM.

                    If you wish to disbelieve all texts and physicists, feel free. What would a physics know about time anyway.

  6. SJ says:

    The pizza is going to disappear fast!

  7. dogcat says:

    a daily meal is consumed to break the daily fast in the month of ramadan. l2appreciate culture and religion. fail.

  8. Juasman says:

    No way. Learning about Ramadan with a pizza lunch is an EPIC WIN.

    (According to the way I think, of course :) )

  9. Ahilosu says:

    If you r using WordPress you should try the Paginated Comments plug-in. Very useful for sites with a lot of comments.

    sry 4 off-topic

  10. Bo says:

    Not eating during the day to feel like a poor person is so very hypocrite (sorry if I failed on the spelling of that word, I’m not English).
    I used to say to my muslim coworkers: Poor people don’t suddenly start eating after sundown, you know. They gave me the angry look, but really couldn’t think of anything to say.
    Giving away food to poor people during Ramadan would be a win.

    A friend of mine used to work with a lot of muslims. Then the company organized a barbeque. They only had pork. Now that’s a fail.

    • Adoni says:

      who said the only reason to fast is so you can feel like a poor person? maybe they do it to help make sure their women keep nice figures.

      • Marci says:

        as a woman….I WISH! Are you kidding, we get so chubby droopy during Ramadan! Our metabolism goes crazy, our stomach shrinks, we snack all night, and wake up before sunrise to munch some more… proof that us ladies don’t just fast Ramadan to shed off a few pounds!

        • Thiefree says:

          Oh man, I’m going through the same thing, but that’s just because I’ve got unwise eating habits and forget to eat all day.

          But Adoni, you’re right in that there’s more reasons than sympathising with poor people!

    • Bratenboy says:

      This friend of yours should have taken a picture for the Failblog! Opportunity fail!

    • nydweller says:

      that’s actually a very small part of it.
      the main motivation is to gain “God-consciousness” because every time you feel hungry or thirsty you think about why you’re putting yourself through it, and you remind yourself its for God.
      secondary reasons are to relate to hunger that the poor feel, and to free yourself from worldly nourishment to give you more time for worship.

    • You says:

      One of the purposes to fasting is to feel the SMALLEST part of what a needy person feels. One day of hunger definitely qualifies. Also, another part is to be charitable and help the needy with donations of money, food, or time.

      The reason you probably got angry looks was your delivery. If you ask questions in a condescending manner (as I gathered from your post), people won’t take you seriously, or get pissed at you for denigrating their beliefs.

      • Bo says:

        Religious folks give me angry looks when I make a perfectly understandable statement which they cannot argue, since the discussion always stops with: Well, that’s what I believe.
        Belief is the only thing that messures itself to lack of evidence. The less evidence there is, the more faith is required, and the more it is worthy of respect. That’s not acceptable to me in any way.

        Going back to my original post: I said it to someone who claimed ramadan is to feel how the poor and homeless feel. And yes, that enraged me and encouraged me to comment as I did.

        • TMI Service says:

          That’s quite a simplistic, over-generalized and uninformed depiction of “religious folks.”
          .
          For some people — religious and non-religious — “belief” means adopting a concept for which you lack empirical evidence. For others, however, it means opening your mind and heart to experiences that are more original and more basic than any simply made up intellectual notion.
          .
          Some religious people are merely dogmatic about their concepts, while other religious people base their spirituality on direct, immediate experience. Buddhism is founded squarely on an insistence to question beliefs and rely only on direct experience. And that practical approach to religiousness is not restricted to Buddhism. Christian contemplatives, for example, use a different vocabulary for expressing their spiritual experiences, but they do the same empirical, “evidence-based” meditative practices.
          .
          The whole science “versus” religion thing is very skewed. (It is quite easy to find anti-religion scientists, for instance, who make poorly informed and completely unscientific pronouncements about human spirituality.)

          • Bo says:

            When I said religion, I meant institutionalized religion. I wasn’t talking about the religions of own experience.

            • TMI Service says:

              You’re using categories that are still over-generalized. Virtually the entire Buddhist tradition, for instance, could be considered an “institutionalized religion” of “own [direct] experience.”
              .
              You say in another post that you’re trying to make simplified statements, and I
              don’t feel this is really the place to have discussions like these. But when “simplified” statements appear in a public space, and they make incorrect suggestions about deeply valued human practices and experiences, I’m prompted to point out that there are different perspectives.

          • coyote says:

            Don’t confuse spirituality with religion.

            As for …”It is quite easy to find anti-religion scientists, for instance, who make poorly informed and completely unscientific pronouncements about human spirituality.”, the reverse is also true. I’ll leave it to you to decide which “reverse” that I am referring to, a Rorschach moment as it were.

            • fuzz on the concept says:

              Facile distinctions between “spirituality” and “religion” can be comforting,
              but are based ultimately on a species of conceptual cop out.
              .
              The fact dogmatic religious people make stupid statements about “science” is merely stupid. But for otherwise intelligent scientists to make grossly uniformed and arrogantly dogmatic statements when calling “religion” grossly uninformed and arrogantly dogmatic — that’s a lot worse than stupid.

        • just saying... says:

          fasting is much more than just that.
          it’s also about Ramadan learning compassion, and “cultivating our piety”.
          and also…
          “The fast of Ramadan is not about physical deprivation, it is meant to be deeply spiritual experience. In the holy Quran it is stated that the purpose of the fast is to develop a quality which in Arabic we call taqwa.”

        • firham says:

          I’ve been to quick to reply to your first post but just to reiterate what I’ve written – Islam says that fasting is to make / increase piety or God-consciousness. Islam has never say that fasting is for the purpose of feeling how the poor and hungry feel. The problem with what happened to you was that the Muslims you asked grew up with this misunderstanding. I believe that if they knew the correct reason for fasting, you’ve gotten a perfectly reasonable answer.

    • haveagoodday says:

      They do give away food to poor people during Ramadan. And its not done to feel like a poor person, it is to build discipline, patience, and to remember God. I’m not sure why your co-workers didn’t tell you this, maybe they were being polite and didn’t want to start a fight with someone who obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

    • You've Got Fail says:

      If you want to feel like a poor person, what works best is moving to America where everything is measured in terms of how much debt you have amassed. It’s such an important part of our culture that our own government tries to amass as much debt as possible to show us what to do with our credit cards and mortgages.

    • Dana says:

      Um, actually? Ramadan’s the time that people usually pay the zakat, or offering to the poor. It’s one of the five pillars of Islam. So yeah, they give stuff to poor people. They’re also encouraged to do it at other times of the year–the more you give to the poor, the more right you get with God/Allah.

      If you think about it, some poor people *do* go hungry all day and eat after sundown. Why? That’s kind of how homeless shelters are set up. In other cases you have people who were at work all day, too broke to buy lunch and they don’t get a meal until they get home. It’s not a universal experience by any means but the daily fasting isn’t far off. The idea, anyway, is to experience that feeling of hunger without dropping dead from starvation, suicide being forbidden in Islam. (Yes. Yes, it is. Believe it or not.)

      There are other reasons for fasting too, such as gaining a greater spiritual awareness generally. Interesting how, say, Hindu ascetics are not mocked for doing this but it’s not OK for Muslims?

  11. missionpants says:

    I actually had a co-worker who was muslim and who respected “Ramadan,” and was the sweetest person I knew…. Her name was Unissa… She would get up early before dawn and make breakfast/lunch for her kids and strickly follow the no-eating-rule…

    Unless… She was on her “time-of-the-month-thangy,” or just plain hungry.. Or…Ok, she would just state”It was mostly for men…” And she was hungry… And, to make a long story short… There seemed to be ALOT of flexibility with this “Fasting” thing..

    NO FLEXIBILTY with pork though, she didnt touch the stuff… But if she was hungry, she’d eat during the day…

    Dont even get me started on when she was finding hubby’s for her 2 (16 and 18 yr olds) daughters… It didnt turn out exactly as you might have thought…

    • ladyrazzle says:

      I can’t speak for your colleague’s fastidiousness for the mostpart, but I feel the need to point out that women are exempt from fasting while they are menstruating. They are, in fact, forbidden from partaking (it’s about body purity) They are expected to make up the days afterward.

    • ashabed says:

      In Islam you aren’t allowed to eat ‘when you get hungry’ while fasting… you fast from sunrise to sunset from food and drink. The only time either is excused is if you completely forget that you were fasting and consume something before remembering, because you are judged on your intentions. And I don’t think fasting is ‘mostly for men’; it’s required for both men and women equally, with women not having to fast while on their periods but having to make up the missed days at a later date of their choosing.

  12. Yahto says:

    Sorry to jump in here, but the whole point of having the Pizza Lunch on the 10th of September for that particular event is that the month of Ramadan ends on the 9th. So when the fasting period is over, guess what they do. I bet you’ll never figure it out.

    Yeah, they eat pizza.

    • mr s.a.u.s.a.g.e says:

      WITH SAUSAGE!!!!!!!!

    • haveagoodday says:

      hi, no, the month of Ramadan doesn’t end on the 9th. It started on the 1st of September, and is ending today at sundown.

    • Dana says:

      No. Ramadan began on September 1 and it’s impossible that it would have ended on the 10th because it lasts from new moon to new moon, or roughly 28 days. This class was aimed at non-Muslims and the Muslims leading it would not have expected the attendees to fast.

      But, yes. Muslims do eat pizza. There is even such a thing as halal pepperoni–of course, it would not be made of pork.

  13. poo-blah says:

    @missionpants: seems your friend was taking you for a ride – fasting isn’t ‘mostly for men’. sure, they can skip it during “that time of the month” but not if they’re simply hungry…

    But hey, do what you want, eh?

    It is a fail, but not a FAIL.

  14. ocomeon says:

    you guys here really make it a epical wasp-fail…

    (what is is it about americans that makes ‘em misunderstand any foreign culture and see dicks everywhere?)

  15. Me says:

    Lol, i’m a muslim but I found this funny.

  16. darqmann says:

    In Soviet Russia the Pizza isn’t allowed to eat you during Ramadan

  17. Phaet says:

    I don’t get it.

  18. Sam says:

    This isn’t a FAIL.

  19. Demut says:

    Ramadan doesn’t mean you don’t eat anything for the whole month. You just don’t eat at daylight, retards >_> All-American, dudes … not caring about other cultures.

    • Malfeasant says:

      and the flyer says the lunch is from noon to 1pm, so that would be eating at daylight, re-retard…

      • haveagoodday says:

        haha

        • Demut says:

          So what ? It’s just an event where you TALK about Ramadan and not doing it, re-re-retard o_O

          • haveagoodday says:

            but your whole point was about when you were supposed to fast, and you called americans retards because we apparently didn’t know this. but then it was pointed out that we know that but it was during the day. then you just changed the topic basically. that’s cool though.

  20. Dookie says:

    zOMG, do you have to actually be a Muslim to get why this is so funny? LOL.

  21. aoler says:

    That is pretty funny actually. Muslims fast not to feel like poor people feel, else why would poor people have to fast? that makes no sense.

    They fast to learn restraint, control of desires.

    • Bo says:

      Yes, because according to the three desert dogma’s, you go to hell if you dare to be human.
      Indulging in you desires (NOT at someone else’s expense) will get you a lot closer to god.

      If I give someone a teapot, I would want them to use it and I’d be insulted if I didn’t.
      I think God must feel the same way about Free Will.
      He must be thinking: “Why de bloody hell aren’t they using their Free Will. Do they have any idea how much time it took to create such a thing. Blaspheming ingrates!

      • Bo says:

        of course I ment: if THEY didn’t.
        Sorry for the fail

        • fuzz on the concept says:

          Bo, your notion of religion is your own impoverished, made-up idea. I’m religious, and what you’ve said here doesn’t relate to me in the least, nor to any of the spiritual traditions I’ve taken the time to learn about.

          • Bo says:

            Well, it’s not made-up. But of course, I’m not putting my real ideas out here. I’ve thought so much about it, that I could write for hours about it. And I really don’t feel like it. So that’s why I say it so symplistic. I find it funny how many people even seriously respond to it.

            I would like to point out for future reference: I am never talking about people who think for themselves. I’m talking about the blind followers.

            I’m religious too, you know. But i’d never demand respect for what I believe. I believe – doing that – I would take away their right to freedom FROM religion.

            And to the ones who do carry out their beliefs despite if anyone likes it or not: Matthew 6:5-6

      • Dana says:

        Every traditional human culture that has ever existed has had rules about dress, behavior, marriage, kids, sex, food, and who knows what else. The Abrahamic religions depart from that only in the sense that two of them have a universalist outlook.

        We only complain about Muslims because we’ve gotten so used to having no standards at all that any hint of the old way of high standards is threatening to us, which is why we make jokes about Amish people. Couple this with the fact that Americans (and Westerners in general) are still racist as hell and considering that the majority of the Muslim community are people of color and you have a formula for disaster.

        But this bit of people just wandering around doing whatever the hell they feel like, this is not normal human experience. And it really has nothing to do with freedom. Being lost and rootless is not freedom. Substituting consumerism and toys for human community is not freedom. I don’t think it’s an accident that we have higher rates of physical and mental illness now that so many people have been severed from their cultural roots. I don’t know how much of it has to do with the wrath of a God, but it sure is noteworthy.

        • TMI Service says:

          The whole notion that there can be such a thing as a “secular” society is an historical anomaly. As Dana suggests, cultures always have had over-arching social values and systems for appreciating meaning in life (which frequently get labeled “spiritual” or “religious”). A bit ironically, the U.S. self-identifies as a pre-eminent secular nation, on the one hand, but at the same time it has among the world’s highest percentage of its population who attend religious services regularly.

  22. Felix says:

    Better than “FISTING”!

  23. Hugo says:

    NO FAIL!!!

    Muslims can eat during Ramadam, you fools. They just do it when the sun is down.

    mmmm…pizzaaaaaaa….

  24. SwaH says:

    This is no fail… They may eat at these times…

  25. dani says:

    F(e)asting WIN!!!

  26. alamgir a. hasan says:

    Go entertain yourself
    go ente…. yourself
    go ……. yourself

  27. The Unfakerererrrr says:

    The real fail is 12 p.m. No such thing.

  28. eArtrash says:

    BuckFasting? You cant beat it!

  29. Gigi says:

    Um, actually, you’re allowed to eat from sunset to sunrise, so technically this isn’t a fail. Hahahaha.

    • d30n says:

      fool it says pizza lunch….not dinner or bfast…

      fail

    • wat the hell!! says:

      lmao my friend ur intel fails.. its the other way around.. u cant eat from sunrise til sunset.. but who cares cuz the seminar is for non-muslims who rnt fasting so ya its still not a fail lol

  30. jluve82 says:

    …Pizza will not be served.

  31. just saying... says:

    if you’re already a practicing muslim why would you need to go that seminar?
    so obviously that flyer was for those that do not practice Islam and and who may be curious about Islam and about why muslim’s fast during Ramadan.
    So saying that there is pizza provided isn’t a fail. I’m guessing the people who are speaking at the seminar ARE muslim so of course i’m sure they didn’t eat the pizza. As it says on the flyer 10 Sept 08. Fasting started on the 1st of Sept and ended today [30 Sept].

    • ghehorg says:

      they would need to go to the seminar because they are PRACTICING, meaning they arent really Muslim yet…. its like spring training or a scrimmage.

  32. BananaDib says:

    This is most likely from a college. I know my school had a Ramadan “Fast-a-thon” but it had a buffet and advertised “free food”. Huzzah for trying to appeal to poor college kids!

  33. leah says:

    I hope they have pepperoni!

  34. d30n says:

    maybe they just said pizza lunch to get people to go….
    like the free hat thing
    free hat
    free hat
    free hat

  35. Robert says:

    Actually, that’s a win as far as I’m concerned…unless it’s like a “cultural sensitivity” fail…

  36. G says:

    The attendees are obviously not Muslims for they would not need to learn more about Ramadan from a presentation such as this one. If the lecturer should be a Muslim what’s wrong with offering the attendees a bit of food? I believe hospitality is important in this religion. Iffy fail at best.

  37. esetiawan says:

    Win and Fail..now that’s what i call ‘Balanced’ kthxbai

  38. Woman says:

    Ur all dumb. Ramadan ends every day at 12 pm so they are allowed to eat in the time of 12 pm – 1 pm..

  39. Sue says:

    Is the date in question even DURING Ramadan?

  40. duh says:

    Thats not fail… They are allowed to eat everything in the night.

    • wat the hell!! says:

      i agree with u its not a fail but not cuz of ur reason lol did u notice that the time of the seminar is 12 p.m – 1 p.m? thats not night yet =P

  41. Ibrahim Hyder, Jr. says:

    Wow, nobody understands that this is before the month of fasting in 2008, and that if you need to learn about it, ur probably not fasting.

  42. WTF lol says:

    SILENCE I KILL YOU

    lol

  43. OhMyDog says:

    lol this post is a fail
    I don’t think people who know how to fast would actually go to learn how to?!

  44. wat the hell!! says:

    uhh this is not a fail at all lol its a fail for tryin to make it a fail.. yes it was ramadan at that day but think about it who will attend the the seminar? obviously non-muslims who rnt fasting so it wud be okay for them to eat lol and as for bacon.. okay not a big deal they can serve cheese, vegi, chicken, beef, even fish instead of bacon lol

  45. Ninke says:

    uhm

    they vast only during the day. that’s why the pizza is offered at 12 PM

    duh

    the fail- failed


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